my ethica

[*PRC*Kensei]

hello comrades :)

i - at my young age of 18 - tried to think out an ethica for myself, which is more or less compatible with leftism.



It's a humanist ethica,

it follow the classical path of asking: what is the purpose in life for a human?
general anser is "happyness".

now i roamed for years in search of happyness in my grey life, never found it untill i found love (how cliché) but also when i realised (like sartre) that i'm a social beeing.

first of all i use happyness in the meaning of beeing sathisfied with yourself and your life, i dont not mean "joy" with happyness. "joy" is not a purpose, "joy" is an effect.

aristotle said that happyness must be something that you must be able to aquire on yourself. i TOTALLY dissagree with that.

and individual cant be happy. highest stage he can get is "not-sad" on himself.

nope, to become happy you NEED others.

Happyness is something that lies in others, and your interaction with them. communication, love, working together ( in projects, like labour) makes happy,co-operation. the more people interacting the better.

i base this on the idea that only value in life is human. fammily, kids, partners, colleges, comrades, mankind. not profit, not god, nothing else but pure humanism.

you can only be happy when:
- somebody makes you happy
- so you MUST also try to make others happy.

cause this systhem stands or falls with the other humans, and if you dont try to make somebody happy, (sometimes this goes automatic, like when you get born you make your parents & grand-parents happy) then there is no exchange of happyness.

now this may seem optimistic, but it also means that it's a mass ethica, in the meaning that you need the affort of other, and in return, your own afford.

happyness is hold in other humans, not in yourself, not in egocentrism. you must do your most best for others to let them develop that happyness for others, so that you at your turn will get a part of it.

love your neighbor so you can love yourself :)

thanks for your time.

[gilhyle]

If fthis is a personal credo, you wont go far wrong; if its an ethics that you seek to impose on others/persuade others of you wont go far right.

[apathy maybe]

Have you considered anarchism? The thread http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=25915 has a good introduction to some of the main anarchist tenets. Note however, that there are a variety of different types of anarchism.

[midnight marauder]

Have you considered anarchism? The thread http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=25915 has a good introduction to some of the main anarchist tenets. Note however, that there are a variety of different types of anarchism.

I agree. It sounds like some of the problems you have with the modern conceptions of happiness and ethics could be answered by and interest in anarchist style forms of leftism. If you haven't, I'd suggest picking up a copy of Mutual Aid by Petr Kropotkin, and in general looking into more social forms of anarchism, like for example, you sound like you might be interested in topics like the anarchist redefinition of work to better suit human happiness as you describe and economic ideologies such as gift economies which also serve that purpose.

I hope I don't sound too proslytizing! :lol:

Good luck in your curiosity!

[*PRC*Kensei]

no thx i like the idea of a state, a governement.

[RebelDog]

Originally posted by *PRC*[email protected] 18 2006, 09:36 AM
no thx i like the idea of a state, a governement.
Then the status-quo must suit you to a certain extent?

[*PRC*Kensei]

Originally posted by The Dissenter+Oct 18 2006, 09:35 AM--> (The Dissenter @ Oct 18 2006, 09:35 AM)
*PRC*[email protected] 18 2006, 09:36 AM
no thx i like the idea of a state, a governement.
Then the status-quo must suit you to a certain extent? [/b]
you mean the current situation ?

not really, however i'm part of the wealthy class.
anyway, it doesnt make me happy.
i dont have to like a systhem because it does good to me, if it does wrong to others.

but i do like "a state" to watch over me, and to be part of that state.
anyway i'm not an anarchist, i'm a socialist.

[Demogorgon]

I think it goes deeper than what you suggest. The core of human life is survival. Our key aim is to survive, bothas individuals and as a species. Any moral theory ought to address this first and foremost.

[*PRC*Kensei]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 10:59 AM
I think it goes deeper than what you suggest. The core of human life is survival. Our key aim is to survive, bothas individuals and as a species. Any moral theory ought to address this first and foremost.
ehm... no, i dissagree.

the core of life is survival.

any life, so any life form must have a tool for it, and that cant be morality, since only human beeing have it.

instinct is based on survival.
moral is based on "doing good"

[Demogorgon]

Originally posted by *PRC*[email protected] 18 2006, 12:04 PM
ehm... no, i dissagree.

the core of life is survival.

any life, so any life form must have a tool for it, and that cant be morality, since only human beeing have it.

instinct is based on survival.
moral is based on "doing good"
And where exactly is morality coming from?

We obviously feel the need to do the right thing for a reason. I doubt somehow it is ordained on us from God. It must be coming from within us in some manner or another. And it doesn't come from us for no reason, I don't thiink it is unreasonable to say that our desire to do the right thing is part of our survival instinct.

[*PRC*Kensei]

like sartre said: the human is doomed to be free.

we just happen to have a moral part in our brains, we are doomed to judge our actions & dessicions.
however, it's true that beeing happy is a part of surviving --> in terms of not going mad.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

There is a certain danger, is there not, in relying completely on others for happiness? I agree with you in principle, other humans are necessary for true happiness, but to rely on them as much as you appear to seems wrong. Humans are in my view inescapably... flawed? My point is, as much as we will be your friend, help you through hard times, we'll stab you in the back and steal your wife. Humans as a species have too many faults to be relied on to the extent that you suggest. Do you feel that it is actually impossible to gain happiness within yourself?

-Alex

[*PRC*Kensei]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 04:56 PM
There is a certain danger, is there not, in relying completely on others for happiness? I agree with you in principle, other humans are necessary for true happiness, but to rely on them as much as you appear to seems wrong. Humans are in my view inescapably... flawed? My point is, as much as we will be your friend, help you through hard times, we'll stab you in the back and steal your wife. Humans as a species have too many faults to be relied on to the extent that you suggest. Do you feel that it is actually impossible to gain happiness within yourself?

-Alex
social isolated people grow depressive.

and once you have a partner you have the base for happyness.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

You missed the point, re-read. :)

-Alex

[*PRC*Kensei]

Originally posted by *PRC*Kensei+Oct 18 2006, 05:03 PM--> (*PRC*Kensei @ Oct 18 2006, 05:03 PM)
[email protected] 18 2006, 04:56 PM
There is a certain danger, is there not, in relying completely on others for happiness? I agree with you in principle, other humans are necessary for true happiness, but to rely on them as much as you appear to seems wrong. Humans are in my view inescapably... flawed? My point is, as much as we will be your friend, help you through hard times, we'll stab you in the back and steal your wife. Humans as a species have too many faults to be relied on to the extent that you suggest. Do you feel that it is actually impossible to gain happiness within yourself?

-Alex
social isolated people grow depressive.

and once you have a partner you have the base for happyness. [/b]
so you mean i'm to positive about interaction with people, that they can do me lot of harm to ?

well true, but not if all would follow my ethica. offcourse this is utopic.

however i just see no other option then to interact with menkind. it has a big chance of faliure... but we have no choice.