The worst episode in history.

[EwokUtopia]

What do you think the absolutly most tragic and horrifying event to ever occur in human history was?

Personally, I think that it was the Manhattan Project. The creation of Atomic, and subsequently, Hydrogen weapons may well destroy almost all of humanity and make the world unlivable for the few survivors. This has yet to happen, but with the Manhattan Project, we have put the dagger of Damocles over our heads, looming until the Doomsday Clock strikes zero. Perhaps the creation of such weapons was inevitable from the begining of the 20th century, but since their birth was carried out with the Manhattan Project, this is my answer as the most horrifying crime humanity has ever inflicted upon itself and its beautiful home.

[Tekun]

WW1

Its effects are felt even in today's world
Effects such as the Red Scare, WW2, established American supremacy, reconfigured the Ottoman Empire, an entire generation of proles exterminated

The only positive I can think of, it gave rise to the socialism world wide

[loveme4whoiam]

The feudal system? ;)

I don't know really, there have been so many awful periods of history that picking one over the other is pretty hard. In terms of natural disasters, the plagues of the 13th century (I think) were pretty devastating. As for man-made atrocities... Jebus, there are just too many to list.

[Rollo]

The bible.

[C_Rasmussen]

Christian crusades, WW1, Pearl Harbor, WW2, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, 9/11 and the war overseas.

[bolshevik butcher]

I think events in the American continent from 1492 onwards; the initial genocides, and since then in the twentitech century in paticular the constant influence of US imperialism on Latin American affairs. There's certainly also imperialism in africa in the 1800s. I think that to say there's a 'worse' episode would be fullish though.

[JKP]

The worst episode in history., What do you think it was?

Feudalism followed by capitalism.

[Pirate Utopian]

the holocaust is up there with bush's re-election

[Cryotank Screams]

The departure from carnality, and the invention of spirituality.

[bezdomni]

Originally posted by Big [email protected] 23, 2006 08:52 pm
the holocaust is up there with bush's re-election
I wouldn't go that far.

[Labor Shall Rule]

I think that WW2 can be considered the "worst episode in history", due to the fact that it had enormous negative effects on the lives of every single human.

[Morag]

I'd go with the 'short 20th' century. 1914 to 1991, or there abouts. WW1 and 2, the bastardisation of socialism, the Cold War, the proxy wars, the Arab Cold War, the Holocausts and genocides around the world. The Short 20th Century- which I think of as a string of inter-related events. So, yeah. I don't think we can say that any one event was more horrible then another, but we can say that certain periods are more terrible.

[LoneRed]

the typical holocaust one, The Worst was the slaughter of over 100million native americans on this continent, nothing can compare to that genocide, then id say WWI and II, then the exploitation of working people across the globe, free trade, and the holocaust

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

80 million indigenous people being slaughtered was pretty bad. But hey, capitalism has brought us many such gems, from Viet Nam to Korea to Nicaragua!

[Sankara1983]

August 15, 1947. The imperialist crime of the century.

[Marukusu]

When God expelled Adam and Eve from the garden of Eden, something like 5000 years ago.

[LoneRed]

You're joking right?

[Forward Union]

The industrial revolution was a bit shit

[Phalanx]

The destruction of the peoples of both Americas.

[Okocim]

Originally posted by Love [email protected] 24, 2006 09:49 pm
The industrial revolution was a bit shit
I disagree there: what we had before the industrial revolution was pretty shit too, whereas what we can have now we've had the industrial revolution (ie. eventually communism) certainly isn't shit.


Stalin taking power seems pretty bad imo, the possibilities regarding Hitler and communist revolutions in other countries had Trotsky taken power are really quite tantalising. Not that I'd say it was the "worst episode" in history though.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

The industrial revolution was a bit shit

Oh yeah? You liked feudalism?

[KC]

Oh yeah? You liked feudalism?

Perhaps he was commenting on the mass proletarization and the horrible working conditions that the new working class faced?

[EwokUtopia]

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 24, 2006 09:27 pm
Oh yeah? You liked feudalism?
I'd preffer Unindustrialized feudal proto-capitalism any day to Industrial capitalism in all its wonders (which is the world we have been stuck in for some 2 and a half centuries). Why do I make such outrageous claims? Lets compare:

Feudalism was much more environmentally friendly (albiet by technological limitations, not choice, but the results are the same, a cleaner world that didnt teeter on the brink of cataclysmic ecological disasters) and was limited to one continent.

Industrialized Capitalism saw the ongoing devastation of the environment to the point where we have seriously put ourselves, as biological creatures, under the risk of self-annihilation. Furthermore, this system engulfs the entire globe rather than one small peninsula off of the Eurasian landmass.

You could argue that both are inevitable states, but lets not say that Industrialized Capitalism was better than Feudalism untill we no longer live in Industrial Capitalism, because the latter is infinately more dangerous to humanity and the planet in general.

[Marukusu]

You're joking right?

With the almighty God as my withness, yes I am. :rolleyes:

[Vanguard1917]

Originally posted by Love [email protected] 24, 2006 08:49 pm
The industrial revolution was a bit shit
In my opinion, this was one of the greatest periods in history - a fundamental stage in the development of the material basis for the pursuit of human freedom.

The 'worst episode in history', from the point of view of workers' movement, was the Second World War... the darkest moment in history for the working class.

[kaaos_af]

The screwup in the USSR- demonised socialism, lost the first socialist state and doomed most of the ones that followed.

[Okocim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25, 2006 06:55 pm

August 15, 1947. The imperialist crime of the century

What happened on Aug.15,1947.
India gained independence from the UK? er...:unsure:


I'm thinking possibly something to do with Israel? that was established in 1947.

[chimx]

the first few episodes of seinfeld were pretty atrocious.

[KC]

If by atrocious you mean unbelievably hilarious.

[chimx]

no no no. i love seinfeld. it is still the best show on tv. but rewatch the first couple of episodes before they get in their groove. most networks wont even play them they suck so hard.

[Sankara1983]

Originally posted by Okocim+October 25, 2006 02:44 pm--> (Okocim @ October 25, 2006 02:44 pm)
[email protected] 25, 2006 06:55 pm

August 15, 1947. The imperialist crime of the century

What happened on Aug.15,1947.
India gained independence from the UK? er...:unsure:


I'm thinking possibly something to do with Israel? that was established in 1947. [/b]
Yes, India did gain independence, but not before it was partitioned by the British, leaving behind two states, one of which was divided into a nonsensical two "wings" and was defined solely by the religion of the majority of its inhabitants. After partition, the largest population transfer in human history occurred as many Hindus in Pakistani areas moved to India and many Muslims in Indian areas moved to Pakistan. Millions of lives were lost as a result of the immediate effects of independence, communal violence within India itself, repression of workers and peasants by the feudal princely states of West Pakistan (left intact at independence), the Pakistani military dictatorships and the 1971 Bangladesh liberation war, the Jammu-Kashmir conflict, and other Indo-Pakistani skirmishes throughout the years.

[Vargha Poralli]

RavenBlade
Me and my Marxist-Leninist Comrades always get booed when we talk about India, and how many people died under the "pacifist", Ghandi.


Thats because u don't know a shit about Gandhi and his teachings.and he did not rule India any time for people to die under him.he just organised indian masses against British imperial rule in a non-violent way because any violent struggle would have been uncontrollable by any body given the material conditions that exist even today here. the main thing is India is not one country by any means and that factor led the British to colonise it without big difficulties. it wud have been very easy for the British to pit Indians against Indians because even at that time there about a half 3-4 distinct races a dozen religions more than 16 regional languages and countless castes within the major religions Hinduism and Islam itself.by advocating tolerance and pacifism Gandhi actually prevented a worser situation than Rwanda/Burundi and Yugoslavia.

however during the climax of Indian independence struggle Gandhi realised this potential danger and was shocked by the way his so called followers acted against his will itself. even some months before his death he held a fast until death to stop a communal violence against Muslims in India an act which enraged some group of Hindu fundamentalists one of whom successfully took his life.


It is good to see someone else talking about the amount of lost lives during that period of time

talking about death millions of people is good according to you ? :angry: . please watch the way you talk !!!

any how the worst episodes in history according to me is whole era from 1914-1950 where every event is interconnected in someway or the otherin someway or thother
1) WW1

2) Rise of Stalin

3) Great depression (Possible outcome of WW1)

4) Rise of Mussolini in Italy (Outcome of great depression)

5) Rise of Hitler in Germany (Outcome of Great depression)

6) Franco's victory in Spain (Outcome of events 4 & 5)

7) Munich agreement,Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.(Outcome of Events 2 & 3)

8) WW2 (Outcome of events 1,4,5)

9) The Partition of British India and series of mass human deportations and communal violence that followed it (Outcome of WW2)

10) Chinese Civil war(Outcome of WW2)

11) Korean war (Outcome of WW2)

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2006 09:56 am
The bible.
The bible is not an episode in history, nor is its religion necessarily the most reactionary or bloodthirsty in history.

[Dimentio]

From an ecological perspective, this current epoch is by far the worst.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25, 2006 04:03 pm
the first few episodes of seinfeld were pretty atrocious.
Yeah, with that weird other guy playing as Jerry's dad.