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Cheung Mo
16th October 2006, 19:20
DISGUSTING!!!

There are at least 2 communist (Radical Cause, Red Flag Party), 1 socialist (Movement for Socialism), and 2 social democratic parties (A New Era and Fearless People's Alliance) in Venezuela who have endorsed Manual Rosales, the sleezbag that rightists, treasonous reactionaries claiming to be socialists, and American interests have nominated to run against Chavez.

Furthermore, Venezuela's traditional social democratic -- Democratic Action -- is choosing to stay neutral.

I hope these parties are banned when Chavez gets re-elected: Right-wing parties have the right to exist, but right-wing parties lying to the people and claiming to be leftist do not.

"Socialists" in Venezuela who oppose Chavez do not have the best interests of the Venezuelan people at heart: They simple want their mouths in the neo-liberal trough.

Hit The North
16th October 2006, 19:35
Completely agree. Menshevik rats!

All power to the Chavistas!!!

Nothing Human Is Alien
16th October 2006, 20:12
Furthermore, Venezuela's traditional social democratic -- Democratic Action -- is choosing to stay neutral.

No, not neutral; they're calling for a boycott of the elections.. which in practice is an anti-Chavez move for them. Chavez is clearly going to win, so they're trying to delegitimize that..

bolshevik butcher
16th October 2006, 20:38
A call for a boycott is a ridiculous attempt to deligitamise what are perfectly legitiamte and democratic elections, and is exactly what the imperialist backed candidates did at the parlimentary elections last year in Venezuela. It is actually quite likely that the american backed presedential candidate will do the same, for supposedly working class parties to do this shows their real colours.

Wanted Man
16th October 2006, 20:41
So does anyone know why the Red Flag Party not only opposes Chavez, but also sides with Rosales? Also, I heard that they were kicked out of the ICMLPO last year, does that have anything to do with their support for Rosales?

Cult of Reason
16th October 2006, 20:53
Who cares? It is not as if Chavez is anything other than worthless.

Guerrilla22
16th October 2006, 21:21
Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 16 2006, 05:13 PM

Furthermore, Venezuela's traditional social democratic -- Democratic Action -- is choosing to stay neutral.

No, not neutral; they're calling for a boycott of the elections.. which in practice is an anti-Chavez move for them. Chavez is clearly going to win, so they're trying to delegitimize that..
No doubt, DA has been one of the most vocal opponents of Chavez and played a key role in the recall, effort why is anyone surprised they're supporting Rosales. Anyways, there's no way Chavez won't win, so the fact that DA, Red Flag and Radical Cause are supporting Rosales is meaningless.

Nothing Human Is Alien
16th October 2006, 21:48
So does anyone know why the Red Flag Party not only opposes Chavez, but also sides with Rosales? Also, I heard that they were kicked out of the ICMLPO last year, does that have anything to do with their support for Rosales?

They (PBR), which has it's traditions in "anti-revisionism" and "Hoxhaism," have opposed Chavez since his election. I don't know why, though I do know it's caused a large chunk of their cadres to leave and join pro-Chavez parties.

It's also important to note that the PBR was involved in some of the sniper shootings that set the ball rolling on the 2002 coup.

Nothing Human Is Alien
16th October 2006, 21:50
Oh, and on MAS (Movement towards Socialism); they originally supported Chavez, but they had a falling out with him and joined the opposition.

Nothing Human Is Alien
16th October 2006, 21:54
Oh, the last thing I wanted to point out was that this isn't the first time a "Hoxhaist" group has done something like what PBR is doing now..

If you'll remember, in Burkino Faso, the Parti communiste révolutionnaire voltaïque didn't support the revolutionary government of Thomas Sankara. That too led many cadres to leave.. they formed the pro-Sankara Groupe Communiste Burkinabè.

Cheung Mo
17th October 2006, 03:28
Hoxhaism's only positive attribute is that it is less wrong than Juche.

metalero
18th October 2006, 09:52
Bandera Roja has no more than 300 members (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandera_Roja_%28Venezuela%29) in Venezuela and has no links nowdays with the international left. Just a bunch of petty-burguois "ultraradicals" showing their true class nature, even bordering with fascism.

Fortunately, class-conscious masses (students, UNT workers union, Bolivarian circles, etc) are very aware of these proto-fascists, who have been expoused long ago. (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandera_Roja_%28Venezuela%29)

metalero
18th October 2006, 10:12
regarding Radical Cause I found an article (http://www.internationalviewpoint.org/article.php3?id_article=167) describing their actual situation, and their opportunism that caused the split in the late 90's generating a democratic-socialist progressive party Patria Para Todos (PPT) (http://www.ppt.org.ve/) who is in the Chavez coalition.

Two elements allow us to understand the successive departures of the Chavez government. First, opportunism is a basic characteristic of the old Venezuelan political system. The proliferation of parties is not based on clear political concepts but rather the necessity for a certain number of leaders to equip themselves with a political structure to stake a claim to occupy posts inside the state apparatus. When it became obvious, in 1998, that Chavez would win the presidential election, numerous political groups rallied to him to become part of the majority bloc. When the hopes of gaining a ministry or a share of power were disappointed, the parties joined the opposition. At the regional level, an alliance can group parties which confront each other at the national level.

A second factor has been the radicalization of the hard core of Chavismo [read working class]. When he came to power in 1998, Chavez was not as radical as he was in 2001 when he instituted land reform, reform of the laws on fishing, banks, and so on. This was more radical than what many supporters of Chavismo in 1998 could accept.

Spirit of Spartacus
18th October 2006, 10:38
Great work, Metalero.


Well its quite clear what's going on...

The opportunists and pseudo-leftists are siding against Chavez, and in doing so, showing their true colors.

So be it. ;)