How long would it take…

[Sadena Meti]

How long would it take…
to achieve Communist perfection.

I found myself reviewing the early days of the Russian Revolution, and playing a game of “historical what-if.” And an interesting question came to mind, which surprised me that I had not contemplated it before.

(Major What-If Approaching)

Let us assume that an ideal communist revolution happens in a country. Use 1917 Russia as an example. Assume the country has ample resources, labor force, agriculture, technology, etc. for self sustenance. Assume that the countries around it leave it alone after the revolution (i.e. don’t try to crush it). Assume the revolutionary movement isn’t fucked up by some asshole named Stalin. Assume the revolution happens, the dictatorship of the proletariat is establish, the socialist (in the old meaning of that word) system of distribution is put into effect, and the change progresses.

How long would it take for the (synonymous terms follow) communist ideal, communist perfection, end-stage communism, final-stage communism, etc. to be achieved. More simply, how long would it be in ideal circumstances from Revolution to Utopia.

I put it at 3 generations. Express your answer in year, generations, or lunar months if you have too much time on your hands.

[LSD]

How long would it take…
to achieve Communist perfection.

No such thing.

Communism isn't about making "heaven on earth", it's about creating a reasonably democratic, free, and constantly self-improving society. Personally, I don't think that that process can ever have an "end".

As I see it, 500 years into communist society and we'll still be having debates on what to do next.

And you know what? I wouldn't have it any other way! :)

[Janus]

More simply, how long would it be in ideal circumstances from Revolution to Utopia.
Communism isn't utopia and is not meant to be.

However, if you're talking about how long it will take for socialism to transform into communism well the answer will vary greatly depending on the type of government that is in power.

[Herman]

The transitional period of socialism can last more than 100 years. This is simply because no stage in humanity has ever changed, in such a way, in only 20 or 30 years. However, even a communist society will need to improve itself over and over again.

As the posters above said, there is no heaven on Earth.

[Sadena Meti]

I shouldn't have used the word Utopia, but I was in fact using it in it's classical meaning, not the modern one. Not heaven on earth, but the original meaning "a place where the right things are done, good and bad".

Replace all such references with... how about "the full fruition of communism".

mmm, fruition... do I have any peach schnapps about...


Although I don't know why people don't like the phrase "heaven on earth". A. because we might as well aim for best world we can create and B. heaven on earth can mean different things to different people. For some, heaven on earth might be being up to your neck in muck, blood, and bullets while fighting to overthrow a tyrannical government.

I mean, compared to what we currently have, isn't a world of liberty, equality, and brotherhood "heaven?" Sorry, I'm getting flowery... now where is that schnapps...

[Mujer Libre]

Originally posted by Ace [email protected] 14 2006, 07:30 AM

How long would it take…
to achieve Communist perfection.

No such thing.

Communism isn't about making "heaven on earth", it's about creating a reasonably democratic, free, and constantly self-improving society. Personally, I don't think that that process can ever have an "end".

As I see it, 500 years into communist society and we'll still be having debates on what to do next.

And you know what? I wouldn't have it any other way! :)
Yeah, exactly.

For a communist society to be created in the first place people need to be extremely critical of their surroundings, and that attitude needs to continue on. I think it will, because people will feel empowered to change their environment, and so will feel able to engage with it critically- unlike now...

[Lenin's Law]

Originally posted by Ace [email protected] 14 2006, 07:30 AM

How long would it take…
to achieve Communist perfection.

No such thing.

Communism isn't about making "heaven on earth", it's about creating a reasonably democratic, free, and constantly self-improving society. Personally, I don't think that that process can ever have an "end".

As I see it, 500 years into communist society and we'll still be having debates on what to do next.

And you know what? I wouldn't have it any other way! :)
Hear Hear!

I agree very strongly with this post and could not have put it any better. As soon as I read the world "perfect" in the sub-title, I immediatly began to think of a reply to make it clear that Communism is not at all about achieving any kind of "perfection" (that perfection can be achieved at all in politics is a purely idealistic notion) but by as you said, constantly improving humanity and as long as humanity is around, there will be no end and no finish line.