teacher needed to be fired

[antifa89]

we've got a problem with chemistry/physics teacher at our highschool who has openly said that he is a homophobe, islamophobe, antifeminist and a christian fundamentalist he even said in a interview in one of the local newspapers that in his opinion it is just as unethical to be homosexual as to be a pedofile. The schools lawyer has advised not to fire him because there is no cleare evidence that he is discriminating students. What should we do?

for those who understand swedish, here is his blog
http://bloggen.fi/thomasillman/

[Lenin's Law]

I work in schools so I have some experience behind this.

Look, if the problem with the teacher is just that he or she has reactionary views that's one thing, BUT if the problem starts to become an issue where the teacher discriminates against other students, verbally harasses other students, or penalizes certain students with bad grades because of his reactionary views then that's another.

I don't think any teacher should be fired solely for their political views as long as they do not use those views as leverage inside the classroom. If all the teacher is doing is responding to a question by a student newspaper as to his political beliefs then I don't think there's anything wrong with that. However, the teacher should also expect that the students have the right to denounce him for his views and if he in turn penalizes the students for that then you have a clear-cut case of a teacher abusing his power and he should be considered for termination.

In short, I don't believe that schools should start getting into the business of having some kind of "code" as to what are "acceptable political beliefs". Remember, that that kind of thing can very easily turned against radicals and socialists just as it can turned towards reactionaries. I think a fair and reasonable guideline would be that regardless of an educator's political views, as long as they do not use their position to discriminate or punish students; either through grades, verbally, by refusing to allow students to disagree with him, by mocking another students, different political views should be tolerated.

So my advice to you would be to find out whether this teacher just has controversial and reactionary views that he basically keeps to himself except when asked or if in any way uses those views and/or abuses his position as a teacher to discriminate against other students based on them.

[Lenin's Law]

Re-read your post and realized that the teacher is a "physics/chemistry teacher". That means it should be pretty easy to tell whether or not he is abusing his position and should be dismissed; being a physics/chemistry teacher means that he really shouldn't ever be discussing politics and his personal views about Islamic people, gay people, etc should never come up. If he does you have a pretty good case of a teacher using his position to become a preacher for reactionary views that have nothing to do with what he's teaching.

This would be a strong case for dismissing the teacher then in my opinion.

Also you should talk to other students or if you are in his classroom find out if he at all is letting un-scientific views vis a vis his own personal, racist views come out at any time during the classroom. For example, if he says something like "homosexuality is a chemical imbalance" you could use that as evidence of his homophobia inside the classroom which is the evidence I think your administrator is looking for.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

He isn't qualified to teach. Education bias has implicit ways of occuring while avoiding punishment. Falsify information and attempt to get him fired.

[Sadena Meti]

Originally posted by Dooga Aetrus [email protected] 12 2006, 06:09 AM
He isn't qualified to teach. Education bias has implicit ways of occuring while avoiding punishment. Falsify information and attempt to get him fired.
While clearly an asshole, how on earth could you teach "biased" chemistry and physics?

"As you see from the periodic chart, there are three types of elements: metals, non-metals, and heathen elements."

"A body at rest tends to stay at rest, unless it is queer in which case it jumps on any other passing body."



If he doesn't bring into the classroom, I'd ignore the idiot.

Though if I wanted to get him fired, I'd wait until he will be taking a vacation, break into the school at night and set up a meth lab in his office. Then wait for the substitute to come the next day.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2006, 09:47 AM
he is a homophobe,
In what way? I know teachers who have complained that the sex education course is inherently homophobic, and that they cannot deviate from the curriculum. So, if what they are teaching comes across as homophobic, it might not be their fault. As students you are not obliged to teach anything, so you can counter the institutional bias.


islamophobe,

Good for him, im an Islamophobe to.


antifeminist and a christian fundamentalist

Strange, for so called "science teacher" it should be easy to piss him off on that front.


The schools lawyer has advised not to fire him because there is no cleare evidence that he is discriminating students. What should we do?

Well, legally, there is not a lot you can do. You can't really fire an individual for having objectionable political or religious views. Unless, in the teaching profession, these somehow endanger the kids, or their learning (Like a history teacher denying the holocaust).

I've known people to scratch teachers cars with keys/knifes, slash their tires, blockade them into staff rooms, disrupt their lessons, and protest outside their houses. Drive the bastards out of their jobs, or make it a living hell.

[Janus]

If his political/religious beliefs interfere with his teaching then that's when the issue can be raised to the school administration. Until then, there's not much that can be done unless he discriminates against certain students of course.

[KappaDelta]

"A Free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular."

If, as a teacher, he is unqualified or abusing the position, he should be fired, and it won't be difficult to maneuver him into a position where this will occur.
If, on the other hand, he holds views seperate from what he teaches as curriculum, then what reason is there to forbid him from teaching children?
I suppose a better way of putting it would be this: In his classroom, have you learned what he was trying to teach you about physics/chemistry? If the answer isn't "No," then what right have we to strip him of his profession?

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

Originally posted by rev-stoic+Oct 12 2006, 05:05 AM--> (rev-stoic @ Oct 12 2006, 05:05 AM)
Dooga Aetrus [email protected] 12 2006, 06:09 AM
He isn't qualified to teach. Education bias has implicit ways of occuring while avoiding punishment. Falsify information and attempt to get him fired.
While clearly an asshole, how on earth could you teach "biased" chemistry and physics?

"As you see from the periodic chart, there are three types of elements: metals, non-metals, and heathen elements."

"A body at rest tends to stay at rest, unless it is queer in which case it jumps on any other passing body."



If he doesn't bring into the classroom, I'd ignore the idiot.

Though if I wanted to get him fired, I'd wait until he will be taking a vacation, break into the school at night and set up a meth lab in his office. Then wait for the substitute to come the next day. [/b]
The position of teacher is one people often respect. Teachers also serve as models for children and teenagers throughout development. Education is one of, if not the main, battleground that needs to be fought over for a revolution to occur. It is essential that homophobic trash is not teaching regardless of whether they spout their garbage directly. I am sure his students know of his views. The mere presence of a homophobe in a classroom encourages students to be homophobic and will make homosexual individuals, in many cases, feel uncomfortable.

No reactionaries in the classroom. Period. Not in a public education system, anyway.

[antifa89]

the problem is that he do not see the students as equal and that the students know that and makes it hard for students to work with him. The administration do want to fire him but He does not bring his political beliefes up in school and that makes it hard to fire him in a legal way. We need to find a way to piss him off in a way that is not breaking the rules off the school.

[Ricardo]

Have you and a few of your friends start acting like a stereotypical homosexual and see how he treats you.

[rioters bloc]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 10:23 PM
Have you and a few of your friends start acting like a stereotypical homosexual and see how he treats you.
what's a "stereotypical homosexual"?



anyways, yeah i've heard a lot of horrible stories about homophobic teachers from friends (haven't experienced it myself thankfully) - what kinda stuff does he do/say?

[antifa89]

There are students who are openly homosexual so i don't think he would fall for that but he is a supporter of Israel so i thought I could make a t-shirt with a PLO symbol or something similar.

[Little brother]

I'm one who believes in not discriminating against others for their opposing beliefs. So in this case i'd just try and push the teacher to say something outright about their beleifs. Make comments about pro gay marriage and just push him and niggle at him until he cracks and says something outright infront of the class about his very 'unique' beleifs.

[anarchista feminista]

we actually have a born again christian teacher at our school and she tells stories to the younger years. she is a science/religion teacher. now this to me makes no sense really <_< but yes my point is as it was already said political topics are completely unrelated to what he teaches. this could be grounds to get him fired. however, you have said it is his personal opinion. aslong as he isn&#39;t ranting or imposing his opinions on others i don&#39;t see this as a real issue.

[anarchista feminista]

Originally posted by Little [email protected] 14, 2006 01:15 am
I&#39;m one who believes in not discriminating against others for their opposing beliefs. So in this case i&#39;d just try and push the teacher to say something outright about their beleifs. Make comments about pro gay marriage and just push him and niggle at him until he cracks and says something outright infront of the class about his very &#39;unique&#39; beleifs.
i brought this up in my legal studies class yesterday heh. i attend a catholic all girls school. and the teacher&#39;s brother is the local mp for the ALP so she loved it. not. ahahaha. only one other girl in my class was for gay marriage. i think i made my point well, no one seemed to argue. they had no legitimate reasons ;)

[afrikaNOW]

Originally posted by rioters bloc+October 13, 2006 02:53 pm--> (rioters bloc @ October 13, 2006 02:53 pm)
[email protected] 13 2006, 10:23 PM
Have you and a few of your friends start acting like a stereotypical homosexual and see how he treats you.
what&#39;s a "stereotypical homosexual"?



anyways, yeah i&#39;ve heard a lot of horrible stories about homophobic teachers from friends (haven&#39;t experienced it myself thankfully) - what kinda stuff does he do/say? [/b]
What do you mean what&#39;s a stereotypical homosexual?

[Janus]

This probably belongs better in Discrimination.

[Raisa]

I would get the stupid son of a ***** fired.

[anti-authoritarian]

Announce to him that you have suddenly realised you are gay and wait for his reaction&#33; That should stir something up&#33;

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by afrikaNOW+October 29, 2006 01:17 am--> (afrikaNOW &#064; October 29, 2006 01:17 am)
Originally posted by rioters [email protected] 13, 2006 02:53 pm

[email protected] 13 2006, 10:23 PM
Have you and a few of your friends start acting like a stereotypical homosexual and see how he treats you.
what&#39;s a "stereotypical homosexual"?



anyways, yeah i&#39;ve heard a lot of horrible stories about homophobic teachers from friends (haven&#39;t experienced it myself thankfully) - what kinda stuff does he do/say?
What do you mean what&#39;s a stereotypical homosexual? [/b]
Surely that is self-evident,

RB asking someone else what they meant when they used the phrase &#39;stereotypical homosexual&#39;.

She said: "what&#39;s a "stereotypical homosexual"?" It&#39;s a question for fuck&#39;s sake, where is the ambiguity?

[TheDifferenceEngine]

Cut his brakes.

[Jhé]

Sit down with some comrades and speak to him human to human, educate him upon why this is on a human level utterly dispicable...one should embrace his brothers with love and affection, this teacher must of not heard both sides of the arguement for if he did he would not believe what he does. Any human being would&#39;nt.

If he is still like this i would suggest to boycott his lessons :P

[nmlssone]

Start hitting on him and later reveal that you&#39;ve suddenly realized your homosexuality and are madly in love with him. ^_^ (Make sure there are no cameras present&#33;)