Revolution destroyed

[emma_goldman]

How do we prevent capitalists from destroying our revolution??

Thanks.

:)

[MrDoom]

Destroy the capitalists.

[emma_goldman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 10:05 PM
Destroy the capitalists.
I mean, in one country, when there's still other capitalists. :)

[loveme4whoiam]

I imagine thats what he meant <_<

[emma_goldman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 10:12 PM
I imagine thats what he meant <_<
Errr....okay...and how do we go about doing that?

[loveme4whoiam]

Sorry, the <_< was at Mr Doom, not at you :)

I guess the way to kepe the revolution from being destroyed would be to remove the power from the cappies - remove their bulwark institutions, their money, from which their power stems... Not give in to reformist tendancies I guess. Sorry for a not-very-coherent answer, I shall contribute properly in the morning :)

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Ban them and purge whoever disagrees with us


























no jk lol we should probably set up a constitution which makes it so that socialism is a human right. Something that can&#39;t be amended. That way capitalists really can&#39;t change the system. Besides, the revolution will be of the workers and supported in majority by them. The few reactionaries left that there are will be laughed at and be looked at like we look at as the scum of the earth.

[emma_goldman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 10:29 PM
Ban them and purge whoever disagrees with us


























no jk lol we should probably set up a constitution which makes it so that socialism is a human right. Something that can&#39;t be amended. That way capitalists really can&#39;t change the system. Besides, the revolution will be of the workers and supported in majority by them. The few reactionaries left that there are will be laughed at and be looked at like we look at as the scum of the earth.
What if they tried a coup or tried to thwart the revolution?

[Zeruzo]

Or tried to adapt the constitution <_<

[violencia.Proletariat]

Workers militias would provide armed defense of the revolution. To defend from possible foreign intervention, the countries nuclear assets would be used to defend the revolution.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 11:50 PM
Workers militias would provide armed defense of the revolution.
Totally off-topic but do you think that volunteer militias are really gonna work? I&#39;ve been reading on Russia and Spain and how in both these situations &#39;real&#39; armies functioned superiorly. But yeah, I believe militias are an excellent idea but I just can&#39;t see a true civil-war, awash with chaos, intrigue and fear being won by volunteer militias.

Sorry to be the stereotypical pessimist :lol:

[&#33;Injustice&#33;]

how we keep the revolution alive...like ghandi in a way we start and we set the eyes of the media on us, on our beliefs and thoughts(not saying its easy) then withe that we educate the lower class so they know wat we know... when that occurs we shall gain some what of a momentum...then we take our next step from there... just remeber che&#39;s mistike, not gaining the support of the people which is most crucial in any social and economical struggle...

[Janus]

What if they tried a coup or tried to thwart the revolution?
They will always be trying to thwart the revolution. However, a true proletarian revolution will require mass action as well as mass class consciousness. This is most likely to only happen at a point when capitalism has fallen or its fall is imminent. By then, protests and strikes would be widespread and make it impossible for capitalists to stop or crush the revolutionary forces.

[violencia.Proletariat]

What if they tried a coup

If the workers revolution is run through workers institutions (workers councils) then there is no possible way for a "coup" to take place. The state would at this time be destroyed/insignificant, so there is no way for a group of people to take power without forcefully subjecting the entire revolutionary population to its rule. This would require a mass army and require the rebuilding of the state in the areas where it has been destroyed.


Totally off-topic but do you think that volunteer militias are really gonna work?

Given the right equipment and leaders with good tactical knowledge, yes. I see no reason why with good training and good weapons a militia is militarily weaker than a regular army. You use Spain as an example but I haven&#39;t read an account where the workers in the militias were not disciplining themselves efficiently. The reason they lost is because they had little military experience and little weaponry. Again, I see no reason why military training and arming cannot be applied to a workers militia efficiently.

[Janus]

Again, I see no reason why military training and arming cannot be applied to a workers militia efficiently.
The tricky part may concern the status and power of a military leadership.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 10:12 PM

Again, I see no reason why military training and arming cannot be applied to a workers militia efficiently.
The tricky part may concern the status and power of a military leadership.
Well whats really in question here? If the workers elect someone to officer they conciously know this is the person they will entrust their lives to in battle. The workers have discipline to follow orders in battle or else they wouldn&#39;t be there in the first place. The problem is finding people with military expierence who aren&#39;t in the military :P

[Janus]

For smaller units, it isn&#39;t a problem. The democratic election of officers had been practiced by armies in the past but the problem is when you have larger units and have to deal with a larger military hierarchy. I&#39;m simply stating that this is something that needs to be considered with care and caution.

[Organic Revolution]

the way to stop the capitalists from overthrowing a socialist government is to overthrow that too... heirarchy is never good.

[loveme4whoiam]

I&#39;m pretty sure that the bolsheys in 1917 instituted elected officers for a little while (before it became obvious what a truly appalling idea this is). As Janus says, when dealing with a large military with an obvious heirarchy you cannot rely on such a haphazard system of creating military leaders.

Perhaps appointment by the people&#39;s committees would work, with much more accountability than now. As for allowing a military to get too strong (and thus the arm of combating reactionary forces becomes the reactionary force), I would say that this is where the proper selection and education of officers would come into play.

[Lenin's Law]

The best defense against counter-revolution and the capitalists would be an advanced, class-conscious working mass of people ready to defend the revolution at all costs. Once you have the loyalty of the working class and the vast majority of the population on your side, all is possible. Not guaranteed victory of course, nothing is guaranteed, only that the chances of survival are infinitely greater.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Committees for the Defence of the Revolution like in Cuba. However there&#39;s the chance of that turning into some massive spy network.

If there is Soviet Democracy and the workering masses elect their officials, I see no reason for a coup.

[blueeyedboy]

I beleive that under communism, some capitalists will turn over to our side straight away, so not all of them would try and resist. There are rare examples of capitalists trying to make workers lives better through various ways and so these will be the people who won&#39;t mind the change to communism. Of course, the others will resist, as the probem is when the capitalists earn the amount of money they do, they won&#39;t want to give it back out. When I say earn, I mean earned through exploitation.

Basically, they will be insignificant anyway in a communist society, as mentioned in earlier replies, as they would have no power anyway because the state would have withered away.