Rethinking Marx (in a Post-Marxist World)

[Nakam43]

(Moishe Postone)

http://obeco.planetaclix.pt/mpt.htm

[Lenin's Law]

"Post-Marxist" world?? This implies that Marxism has already been implemented and it has not been. The collapse of the Soviet Union was not the collapse of Marxism but the collapse of bureacratic capitalism. Also implies that Marxism is no longer relevant in today's society where in fact the opposite is probably true - Marx's ideas were designed for advanced capitalist countries so Marxism may now be more relevant than ever.

[Nakam43]

Have you already read the text?

[KC]

You're not going to get a lot of replies when you just link to a longass paper. How about summarizing it and presenting some quotes that helps get across what the author is saying?

[ComradeOm]

I want a cent for every academic paper written informing us that Marxism is dead. I'd imagine that it would pay for at least the bus into town.

[Nakam43]

I want a cent for every academic paper written informing us that Marxism is dead.

The title of the document is "Rethinking Marx...". What does that imply?............
Is it possible that there are a lot of prejudices against theory in this discussion board?

[KC]

I suggest you do what I said earlier or you won't get any responses besides ones like you've already gotten.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 11:24 AM
Is it possible that there are a lot of prejudices against theory in this discussion board?
If by "theory" you mean deliberately incomprehensible postmodernist BS, then probably yes.

(It's a symptom of postmodernists' arrogance that they often refer to postmodernism simply as "theory", as if it's the only one.)

"The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns, as it were, instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink. "
---George Orwell

[LoneRed]

That is true, I was interested in the thread, but when it was like 30 pages or whatever, I turned right around, But if its summarized ill debate

[gilhyle]

I think Postone is trying to say life is 'non-linear'.....oh no !! ....that would mean my quadratic equation of life wont work and figuring out what to do by dfferentiation would ...leave a residual.....oh NO ....what are we to do ? Someone help me please.

[rouchambeau]

This implies that Marxism has already been implemented and it has not been.
Marxism is a way of looking at the world, not some political program.

[gilhyle]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 09:11 PM

Marxism is a way of looking at the world, not some political program.
Dont agree with that - Marxism is purely a theory of revolutionary politics, there is nothing else in it; it is not an attitude to life.

[KC]

Dont agree with that - Marxism is purely a theory of revolutionary politics, there is nothing else in it; it is not an attitude to life.

This is completely incorrect. However, I agree with you that the poster you responded to was also incorrect.

Marxism is a set of theories and methodologies used to understand the world around us. Some of the most important theories of Marxism are the materialist conception of history, which is a study of trends throughout history, and its application to study the course of history, as well as the analysis offered by Marx and other Marxists into how society functions, with regards to such concepts as classes, the state, the division of labour, etc...

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by Lenin's [email protected] 11 2006, 02:30 PM
"Post-Marxist" world?? This implies that Marxism has already been implemented and it has not been. The collapse of the Soviet Union was not the collapse of Marxism but the collapse of bureacratic capitalism. Also implies that Marxism is no longer relevant in today's society where in fact the opposite is probably true - Marx's ideas were designed for advanced capitalist countries so Marxism may now be more relevant than ever.
I thought you were a stalinist. That sounds pretty trotskyist to me...

[EwokUtopia]

Marxist theory only mentioned two classes, the working class and the ruling class......this is no longer the situation, there is a substantial consumer class that was not existant 150 years ago to consider. They unwittingly float the system with their perpetual hunger for the products of capitalism. This is new, and this changes the essence of class struggle completely, they are not the ruling class, but they will be infinately harder to mobilize against the ruling class because they have been made dependant and complaicent for the most part. How do we tackle the new suburban bound Buying Class that has sprung up in the west?