Sack Parliament Demo

[The Feral Underclass]

Any reports?

I know some people were going, do those who did want to give a report on how it went etc?

[TC]

Lots of cops and arrests, not much to say.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 12:42 PM
Lots of cops and arrests, not much to say.
Do you think that it was in any way successful?

[TC]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Oct 10 2006, 11:49 AM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ Oct 10 2006, 11:49 AM)
[email protected] 10 2006, 12:42 PM
Lots of cops and arrests, not much to say.
Do you think that it was in any way successful? [/b]
mmm well we wasted the capitalist states money in police overtime :mellow: !


really it was dumb, the crowd tried to break through a police line only to get blocked in and beat up, the cops encircled people and picked them off, it wasn't well coordinated and it was stupid to try to go at it from parliament square.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/images/2006/10/353114.jpg

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http://www.indymedia.org.uk/images/2006/10/353084.jpg

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[The Feral Underclass]

I suppose this is another example of how a lack of co-ordination simply doesn't get anyone anywhere. I wonder when these people will realise? I think it's due to laziness. Good effort all round though.

I'm sure I've seen this FIT **** before...

[bolshevik butcher]

What would someone define as success in this? There was noway that parliment was going to be closed down. This looks like an absolutely useless venture in nothingness that was little more than an excuse for some people to get arrested and think that they'd 'done their bit'.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by bolshevik [email protected] 10 2006, 03:40 PM
What would someone define as success in this? There was noway that parliment was going to be closed down. This looks like an absolutely useless venture in nothingness that was little more than an excuse for some people to get arrested and think that they'd 'done their bit'.
Presumably there were objectives, such as public awarness etc...

[bolshevik butcher]

Well it certainly didn't achieve this and I think that there probably could have been more effective ways of doing that than a small group of people running around parliment.

[An archist]

So, how many people where there?

[loveme4whoiam]

According to some website called Local London, "about 50 people, mostly teenagers, turned out for the event dubbed State of Emergency - Sack the Parliament." Make of that what you will - I expected the number to be way, way higher than that. It probably was, but even for cappie media its hard to decrease numbers too much :unsure:

http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/display...ent_protest.php (http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/display.var.959337.0.38_arrested_at_parliament_pro test.php)

EDIT: Oh yes - apparently 38 of the protesters were arrested, most under the charge of protesting within a mile of Parliament :angry:

[Amusing Scrotum]

Originally posted by loveme4whoiam+Oct 10 2006, 07:38 PM--> (loveme4whoiam @ Oct 10 2006, 07:38 PM)According to some website called Local London, "about 50 people, mostly teenagers, turned out for the event dubbed State of Emergency - Sack the Parliament." Make of that what you will - I expected the number to be way, way higher than that. It probably was, but even for cappie media its hard to decrease numbers too much :unsure:[/b]

To be honest, that's probably not a deliberate mistake. After the Police started penning people in, those that weren't penned in decided to move to the edges or across the Street in order to avoid being encircled. And that, of course, makes the protest look tiny -- "about 50 people", as the website puts it.

Personally, I'd say in total there were between 100 and 200 people there -- which makes the arrests to people pretty high. And, really, you'd have either needed upwards of 1000 people or a less well publicised event for it to have been a success. I mean, I don't think having a website up for about two months was a very bright move....especially with the protest being illegal and all that.


Originally posted by [email protected]
EDIT: Oh yes - apparently 38 of the protesters were arrested, most under the charge of protesting within a mile of Parliament :angry:

As far as I know, everyone who was arrested was arrested under Section 132 -- which basically means that people were arrested for protesting the Government without the Governments permission. The arrests, from what I know, were tactical ones; people who the Police recognised or suspected of being organisers were picked up, and so on.


TAT
Do you think that it was in any way successful?

As Tragic noted, other than costing the State money, no. In fact, with all the information the Police gathered -- photos, DNA, fingerprints and so on -- it was probably a victory for them. :(

And if they give all of those arrested fines, then they're looking at getting something like £38,000.

[Amusing Scrotum]

Originally posted by bolshevik butcher
This looks like an absolutely useless venture in nothingness that was little more than an excuse for some people to get arrested and think that they'd 'done their bit'.

Does being a dull twat come naturally? Or is it something you've practised?

I mean, for fucks sake, who "wants" to spend hours in a Police cell? Who "wants" to end up being charged? I could go on; but as is obvious to anyone with half a brain cell, which excludes bolshevik butcher of course, no one there purposely got themselves fucking arrested. Sure, they knew there was a possibility it could happen, but they didn't want it to happen.

Numpties like you may think it is some kind of "badge of honour", presumably because you're well off enough to pay the fine, but for the rest of us, it's hardly something desirable. That is something we actually "wanted" to happen.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by bolshevik [email protected] 10 2006, 05:36 PM
Well it certainly didn't achieve this
How do you know, you weren't there?


I think that there probably could have been more effective ways of doing that than a small group of people running around parliment.
So you think people shouldn't do anything if it's only a small group?

Actually, the law states that you cannot demonstrate outside the Houses of Common, so this demonstration was actually essential in defying repressive laws.

How else do you think that could have been achieved, if not through an act of defiance?

[The Feral Underclass]

So, AS, you were there? Did you go down with CAN?

In retrospect, would you still think the demo was a good idea? What do you think should have worked differently?

What division of the police are those cops with the red and white pattern on their caps from?

[Amusing Scrotum]

Originally posted by TAT+--> (TAT)So, AS, you were there? Did you go down with CAN?[/b]

Yes; and I saw some people who, as far as I know, attend CAN meetings there.


Originally posted by TAT+--> (TAT)In retrospect, would you still think the demo was a good idea?[/b]

I think, in some ways, it's too early to judge. Certainly I think, in some ways, important organisational lessons should be learnt from this -- though whether they will be, is another question. And the arrests, in a way, will serve to help revolutionaries get a far clearer picture of what to expect when Section 132 is used. Given as it's a relatively new law and all that.

But that's about it, I think.


[email protected]
What do you think should have worked differently?

Numbers primarily. But getting a thousand or more people to go to this type of event, isn't the easiest thing in the world....yet it definitely needed a thousand or so people there.

In addition to that, the tactical criticisms that TC made, in another thread, are perfectly valid in my opinion. The grassy bit (Parliament Square?) certainly wasn't the best location, as Police Vans could gain easy access from four directions -- which is what allowed them to encircle people so easily and early.

And, on top of that, it also meant that those that weren't encircled were forced further and further back....across the Street in most cases. Which, of course, served to disperse the protest pretty easily. I mean, by about 2 o'clock, from what I could see, the Police had it all covered.

In addition to that, I think too much was known to early. Having a map, directions and a plan up on the internet two days prior really didn't do us any favours -- though, of course, alternative methods of doing that would have had their problems.


TAT
What division of the police are those cops with the red and white pattern on their caps from?

Huh? :huh:

Do you mean the little badges on the centre of their caps? I can't make out a "red and white pattern", but I did notice quite a few Policemen there with thick Irish accents. Maybe they brought some people in from Ulster? :unsure:

[Okocim]

I was gonna go down for that but couldn't get the transport/time in the end.

I reckon 200 isn't a bad number for what is essentially an illegal protest, however, even with that website none of my comrades had heard about it before I mentioned it to them. Perhaps had it been better known about it would have been more successful. 200 still seems like the "loony left" kind of size, but like other people have said 1000 would have looked so much better. I don't know why it is that people didn't seem to know about it (or at least up here they didn't).

[socialistfuture]

i thought it was a pretty intresting idea, caught my attention. pretty straight up. of course it wasn't going to end parliament - but it raised some questions and got attention.

personally i think the climate action camp was way more effective.
tho whose to say that sack parliament won't start a new tradition.......
at least it wasnt some liberal - oh please don't to this.. we'll vote for u again if u just be nice... bullshit

next time sneak in and cut the power to parliament or put colouring in their water .. :ph34r: sure it'll be like on V for vendetta and parl will end...
hmm maybe not that easy

must of been fun at least :lol: