Anyone think V for Vendetta is a good tool for

[AlwaysAnarchy]

Just curious to see different opinions about this.

What I liked was the part at the end , not the whole violent stuff that V was doing, but at the end when the people all became V, all gathered at the end and stopped the military through a peaceful non violent protest and then took power.

That ending made the film for me.

[which doctor]

In reality the troops would have been commanded to massacre the people wearing the V masks, which they would have done effectively crushing any potential revolution.

[Raj Radical]

Any real fascist destopian army would have mowed down all of the protestors a mile away.

Good movie though.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 08:46 PM
Just curious to see different opinions about this.

What I liked was the part at the end , not the whole violent stuff that V was doing, but at the end when the people all became V, all gathered at the end and stopped the military through a peaceful non violent protest and then took power.

That ending made the film for me.
The ending was complete Hollywood bullshit fluff. In the comic, the people coming out pretty much turns into a full-scale riot.

And, of course, you discount the means through which the "non-violent" revolution was sparked: bombs, murder and mayhem. Typical pacifist.

[LuXe]

They walked in unison. This is unrealistic of course. In reality they had come at different times, and MUCH more scattered. The program "Massive" served them well here at least. But, im gonna buy myself a Guy Fawkes mask just to have it. :D

[Psy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 02:57 AM
In reality the troops would have been commanded to massacre the people wearing the V masks, which they would have done effectively crushing any potential revolution.
V did kill the leadership and if you look back to the Watts riots when the police was cut off from their command they were helpless (till they command returned) of course in Watts the police was dealing with a violent riot and probably could have dealt with a peaceful march like in V even without command.

[Pirate Utopian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 03:46 AM
Just curious to see different opinions about this.

What I liked was the part at the end , not the whole violent stuff that V was doing, but at the end when the people all became V, all gathered at the end and stopped the military through a peaceful non violent protest and then took power.

That ending made the film for me.
god your hippyness is annoying, i bet you dont even watch the looney tunes because people get hit by trains

[Marx Lenin Stalin]

You fucking hippy...

Oh yes there will be blood in any revolution.

Stop turning to Hollywood for revolutionary philosophy - you aint gonna get it there.

[Hit The North]

Why is this in Learning?

Appalling film, btw.

[Vargha Poralli]

i think comrade pa advocates nonviolence because of learning a faulty history of indian independence i think.

as a person the country i have some local knowledge(without official sourcings) about the the truth i think it is my responsiblity to give him the real background of the india indepence movement and real cause of indian independence.

the britishers never "conquered" india in a conventional ways.at that time it was not even a single country but an amalgamation of some "n" number of princely states competing for power after the demise of mughal empire.(Wikipedia List (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Princely_States))
so the indian people for about 200 yrs nevr revolted aginst brtitish bcos in practice they were still ruled by the respective princes who had in turn outsourced the administrative controls to the brits for spending their valuable time in raping poor girls.

many indians were used by the britishers in army and police.so in early 19th century when gandhi started "non-violent" struggle against the bitishers it worked bcos most of the policers in low level ranks were indians.the britshers didnty take it seriously as it saved valuable bullets and didnt threaten thier position in the subcontinent.they continued the exzploaitation as usuals while the indian policers beat the indian non violent freedom fighters.

later it proved to be futile when the brits got ion to very shitty situation determined, but passiveQuit india Movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quit_India) was put down ruthlessly.

finally the brits gave india freedom not bcos of gandhi and congress's non violent struggle but bcos the brits xhausted by ww2 realised india became too much for them after angry(some of them violent) uprisings against Trials of INA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_National_Army#Consequences_of_the_I.N.A._Tr ials) and mutiny of british indian troops (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Royal_Indian_Navy_Mutiny).

More over i myself is an eyewitness of its uselessness in many accounts i cant source with urls even in wikipedia.some notables include the indian emergency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Emergency_%281975_-_77%29) and the struggles of narmada bachao andolan (http://www.narmada.org/)

[Janus]

Why is this in Learning?
Moved to Lit. and Films.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Nice film, the ending made the whole thing shite. But yeah, it's definitely no Dummy's Guide To Revolution. It needs to be viewed as an entertainment film, and it accomplishes that fine.

-Alex

[Zeruzo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 02:46 AM
Just curious to see different opinions about this.

What I liked was the part at the end , not the whole violent stuff that V was doing, but at the end when the people all became V, all gathered at the end and stopped the military through a peaceful non violent protest and then took power.

That ending made the film for me.
You do realise that without the violence, the non-violent protest would not have been possible?

[Pirate Utopian]

yes besides didnt the protesters in the movie also kicked some cop's ass and didnt one of them robbed a store with a gun?
non-violent why?, because they didnt hit swat at the end?

[kaaos_af]

What they didn't show was what happened after Big Ben was Blown to Bits. The pigs probably got torn to bits.

[The Grey Blur]

Anyone think V For Vendetta is a good tool for revolution
Yes, we should forget all about "organising workers" or any of that other old-fashioned guff, we should simply hand out DVDs of V For Vendetta and politely ask people to revolt. In a polite manner of course. We wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings... :(

[ComradeOm]

We'll need masks.

Edit: And widebrim hats. Plus capes

[LuXe]

The Guy fawkes masks are on me. ;)

[Pirate Utopian]

those masks are badass though

[LuXe]

They sure are ;)

[EwokUtopia]

It is a good tool for spreading doubt amongst the people who, after years of CNN and FOX news fear terrorism so much that they seek protection under the wing of America's facsist Eagle. One of the better mainstream films recently for sure. As for the spreading of the revolution....I seriously doubt that any meaningful revolution will start in the Developed world, the majority of our population belongs to the consumer class, not the working class. Yes they work hard shifts and have stressful jobs, but the are payed far more than the true working class who makes practically all of the goods the workers in this country are being paid to buy. When the revolution starts in the South, and those goods are no longer being fed to us on a plastic platter, that is when the revolution will be nessicary in the North.

And that revolution will of course start on the Fifth of November.

[Marx Lenin Stalin]

You want a good tool for revolution?




http://burning.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/russians_raising_flag_in_berlin_2.jpg











nuff said.

[Comrade J]

Originally posted by Marx Lenin [email protected] 12 2006, 03:50 PM
You want a good tool for revolution?




http://burning.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/russians_raising_flag_in_berlin_2.jpg











nuff said.
Soviet propaganda?

Does anyone know where I can buy a V mask, I really wanted one for a Halloween party, and because they're cool as fuck, but nowhere seems to sell them

[Sadena Meti]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 12 2006, 11:14 AM
Does anyone know where I can buy a V mask, I really wanted one for a Halloween party, and because they're cool as fuck, but nowhere seems to sell them
eBay. There about 400 of them:

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?s...e=vendetta+mask (http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?satitle=vendetta+mask)

[Comrade J]

Originally posted by rev-stoic+Oct 12 2006, 06:09 PM--> (rev-stoic @ Oct 12 2006, 06:09 PM)
Comrade [email protected] 12 2006, 11:14 AM
Does anyone know where I can buy a V mask, I really wanted one for a Halloween party, and because they're cool as fuck, but nowhere seems to sell them
eBay. There about 400 of them:

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?s...e=vendetta+mask (http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?satitle=vendetta+mask) [/b]
I live in England, and I wanted one for Halloween, it might not arrive by then, and the shipping cost is quite expensive in some cases.
I've looked at ebay.co.uk in the past, but the ones they have are very expensive and there are very few of them.

Edit - actually I've just found quite a few on ebay.co.uk... hmmm.... I need to find a hat and a cape sort of thing.

[Marx_1369]

Personally I loved the film. It was pretty good, but I have to say.. the ending really was pretty bad. I mean.. they could have taken some time to at least make it looks real.. not a massive explosion with fireworks.. it was suposed to be done with a subway lined with explosives.. how exactly did the explosion climb up Big Ben? whatever...

I have seen those masks around too.. almost picked one up, but they sold out long before I got to it..

Hmph.

[Little brother]

I quite liked the ending.
Was it not like the events of the Russian revolution when troops who were meant to be stopping the protesting suppressed people ended up joining them because they too were just as suppressed as the people and believed in what the people believed in?
Sure the movie was given the classic hollywood touch but i thought it was a good moment.

[EwokUtopia]

Originally posted by Little [email protected] 13 2006, 01:55 PM
I quite liked the ending.
Was it not like the events of the Russian revolution when troops who were meant to be stopping the protesting suppressed people ended up joining them because they too were just as suppressed as the people and believed in what the people believed in?
Sure the movie was given the classic hollywood touch but i thought it was a good moment.
As I seem to remember, the Russian Revolutionaries stormed the Winter Palace all wearing masks of Stepan Razin.

[Comrade J]

They didn't actually 'storm' the Winter Palace, that story came about afterwards in propaganda.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Marx Lenin [email protected] 12 2006, 04:50 PM
You want a good tool for revolution?

http://burning.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/russians_raising_flag_in_berlin_2.jpg

Staged photographs from over 60 years ago?

You aren't the brightest bulb in the box are you?

[Little brother]

haha, so why they didn't storm the Winter palace wearing masks i do remember similar events unfolding in Russia at the fall of the Tsar..... not personally i might add.

[izquierda80]

By most accounts, the graphic novel's ending was far better, but I supposed that it has less mass and mainstream appeal to force people into reading comic books at an adult age. :P

As for the movie version, I agree that it's unrealistic. The ending tries to show revolution as if it was too spontaneous and simply a matter of gathering masks and invoking a martyr, essentially. It can be useful for discussing its flaws and how to fix them in real life, I suppose.

[bezdomni]

Originally posted by Little [email protected] 16 2006, 11:41 AM
i do remember similar events unfolding in Russia at the fall of the Tsar..... not personally i might add.
:lol:

I was there. We were wearing Kim Jong Il masks.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by pacifist anarchist
Anyone think V for Vendetta is a good tool for revolution?

No

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 12 2006, 03:13 PM
Soviet propaganda?
That isn't Soviet propaganda, you tool. That's a real photograph of the Red Army defeating Nazism.

[Little brother]

Originally posted by SovietPants+Oct 17 2006, 02:48 AM--> (SovietPants @ Oct 17 2006, 02:48 AM)
Little [email protected] 16 2006, 11:41 AM
i do remember similar events unfolding in Russia at the fall of the Tsar..... not personally i might add.
:lol:

I was there. We were wearing Kim Jong Il masks. [/b]
I knew it! i thought i saw you but i wasn't about to give your cover away.
ps. i still have my mask..muahhahaha

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Dr. Rosenpenis+Oct 17 2006, 04:28 AM--> (Dr. Rosenpenis @ Oct 17 2006, 04:28 AM)
Comrade [email protected] 12 2006, 03:13 PM
Soviet propaganda?
That isn't Soviet propaganda, you tool. That's a real photograph of the Red Army defeating Nazism. [/b]
Please tell me you are being sarcastic.

[razboz]

Originally posted by Invader Zim+Oct 18 2006, 12:07 PM--> (Invader Zim @ Oct 18 2006, 12:07 PM)
Originally posted by Dr. [email protected] 17 2006, 04:28 AM

Comrade [email protected] 12 2006, 03:13 PM
Soviet propaganda?
That isn't Soviet propaganda, you tool. That's a real photograph of the Red Army defeating Nazism.
Please tell me you are being sarcastic. [/b]
:lol: it is soviet propaganda. I dont want to start up another heated debate as i did last time i mentioned this (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=54913), but did anyone know that the fotograph wa actually doctored to remove the two pairs of watches that the soldieersaare wearing so the Red Army would not be seena s the pillaging plunderers many of them were.

And anyway, how do some soldiers hoisting a flag provide evidence for the greatness of the Seviet army, and how does that prove that the revolution is so great? Becuase we will create a system of repression and beurocratic dictatorship under thie iron grip of a paranoid megalomaniac once the Revolution occurs?

But back to the point, V for Vendenta was a very good movie. I personnaly know some popel who went from being undecided right-wingers to moderate liberals just by the power of the movie. I think that this movie gathered to very important elements: Radical ideas and imagery and vast sums of money required to make the said ideas look good. However im not sure wether V for Vendenta was all that revolutionary.

An anyway i dont know how much good a DVD would do you against hordes of angry policemen and armyppl when the revolution does come. Mayba a VHS cassette would help a bit more. Or maybe you could quote it at them...

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

What's wrong with looting Nazi Germany?

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by Dr. [email protected] 18 2006, 05:46 PM
What's wrong with looting Nazi Germany?
No kidding, the Soviet soldiers had to put up with3 years of pure hell, why not let them go a little crazy in Berlin?

[razboz]

Seriously guys looting the German People is not looting Nazi Germany. These people ahd already been bombed by the Brits and the Americans and reaped by the Russians, why didthey also need to be robbed of their possessions?