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AlwaysAnarchy
10th October 2006, 05:31
People have asked me for more concrete ideas on how we can start to build for a non violent revolution. Well I came across this long article by John Kaminsky in which he details how he might be able to do it. I have cut out some parts and left in the part that is most relevant to achieving revolution. The link provides the full article. I think its a very good read and well worth your time. Its a serious proposal at revolution.

I have bolded some parts for effect.

www.worldnewsstand.net/03/John_Kaminski/14.htm


We need to restore America to the republic it was designed to be and the democracy it claims to be.

What?! Are you going to wait for the next election? The elections are all fixed by electronic voting machines and corporate media that actually change the way people think.

The Congress must resign as well, and most of them are eligible for indictment, too. Anyone who voted for the first Patriot Act without reading must be charged with treason, for destroying our rights without cause, and anyone who has ever taken a campaign contribution from Enron (or any of a host of other criminal corporations) must be charged with corruption and receiving stolen property, namely, the people's money.

And of course the entire judiciary must resign, and a new judiciary reappointed by the new government.

All this doesn't have to happen all at once. That would probably be unworkable.

Somebody else can figure out how to conduct new elections — without the electoral college — later. The first thing to be done is to remove the cancer immediately, before it's too late. There are enough responsible people in America to decide democratically what kind of interim administration should coordinate a transitional government until new elections can be called.

There are also a very few responsible existing legislators like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich who can help facilitate the transition.

There are those who would protest that this is too radical an idea, too big to be considered, too shocking to ever gain a hold in the popular imagination. But I submit there is nothing else to be done. We must demand they resign and make it stick. Otherwise, we are lost. Because there is no fixing this corrupt system. And to not fix it is to throw away the future of the human species.

This is a preposterous idea, you undoubtedly sputter and fume. How could it possibly work, you inquire incredulously?

Here's how.

Twenty million people converge on Washington and demand the resignation of the entire government, that's how. I'd like it to be on July 4, 2003, but it can't be, because all those phony politicos are out of town fishing or in Vegas gambling our money away, or wherever.

We have to catch them actually in Washington, Congress in session, President in the White House, Cheney in his bunker or wherever he actually hangs out. Responsible representatives must serve them with subpoenas and arrest warrants.

We have to mob our nation's capital with so many people that they will have no alternative but to step down.

And there has to be so many people that they can't even contemplate arresting anyone. I mean, where are you going to detain 20 million people.

Why 20 million? I don't know the right number, but I know one million isn't enough, because there have been several million-person gatherings — Farrakhan's, the Moms, the Christian guys — and they barely elicted a ripple from the establishment.

So it has to be a number that will be absolutely impossible to ignore.. Twenty million, I figure, should do it.

Where would everyone stay? And what would they eat? I submit the African-American community will take us in, assist us, lead us in strategically positioning ourselves all over Washington so that the disgusting perps can't get away. Plus, with such an outpouring of people from all over America, I believe the cops would come over to our side, the side of the people, against the side of the tyrants. After all, cops really aren't tyrants; they're people too.

It's not impossible. Hell, they're are 20 million people in metropolitan New York; there have to be 50 million in the greater Northeast alone. But if this thing were really to come down, people would come from everywhere. The U.S. population is 290 million. Hell, 20 million is less than 10 percent, but I think it would be enough to get their attention, shut down the entire Northeast Corridor and force the corrupt sociopaths to call it quits.

The reason I think this will actually work is the makeup of people I've seen at protests all across the land. The protests have not consisted of a single age, ethnic or religious group; not a single race or political splinter group. There has been a tremendous cross-section of the American population, and I think this augurs positively for 20 million to come to Washington and simply demand that the criminals step down and submit to the charges of people's warrants for treason and obstruction of justice, among many others.

Can we get 20 million? Maybe not. However, as conditions continue to deteriorate in this country and more people find themselves kicked to the curb after the stock market really crashes, I think it's realistic to expect this many people to want to participate.

If we can't get 20 million, maybe 10 million will do. And if we can't get enough to keep the cops from locking up all of us, well, then there was never any hope anyway. We might as well be arrested on the streets of Washington as wait in our homes for them to come and get us.

We use their own disgusting labels against them, categorizing politicians like they're now segregating airline passengers into red, yellow, and green classes. The green ones get to help us, the yellow ones get subpoenas and the red ones go right to jail. We should let that fabulous class of black rappers, who have been righteously commenting for so long on the infernos that are our cities, do the categorizing.

Among the provisions in this operation to be designed would be a one-step lockup process, much like they use for illegal immigrant roundups, that would funnel the most egregious governmental criminals right into a holding cell for a little diesel therapy. This group, of course, would include the president and his cabinet.

All of these people need to be held under the provisions of the Patriot Act, for which they themselves voted, which would deny them bond, access to counsel, or family visits, until an investigation into their crimes was completed. Yes, that could take a long time.

Think a revolution of unbridled moral outrage, really the only response that is called for by caring humans in our present situation.

So, people have asked me what to do. This is what we must do.

bcbm
10th October 2006, 06:56
Thomas Jefferson was an advocate of violent revolution. The tree of liberty needs to be watered with the BLOOD of tyrants, after all.

Of course, he was also a petit-bourgeois and a slaveowner, so who gives a fuck if he is calling or not.

As to the actual document... its your usual liberal "if we get enough people to come whine, they'll give up!" nonsense. Its still not an empowering act, since it is basically petitioning the government to give control to... another government. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, with maybe a fruit basket to shut us up.

The only way to truly fight this system is to work and organize amongst the under-classes until they are capable of fighting and defeating the bosses and masters. This will occur in every workplace, every town, every neighborhood. There won't be a mass convergence to wave signs and ask them politely to leave. Maybe we'll all get together to squash them once they're backed in to a corner, but that's about it.

By the way, your proposal isn't so non-violent anyway:
"Anyone who voted for the first Patriot Act without reading must be charged with treason"

Guess what the punishment for treason is?

Tekun
10th October 2006, 12:48
Twenty million people converge on Washington and demand the resignation of the entire government

Sure, men like Bushie are gonna be that quick and obedient to the "commoners"




If we can't get 20 million, maybe 10 million will do. And if we can't get enough to keep the cops from locking up all of us, well, then there was never any hope anyway.

They're not gonna lock us up, they're either gonna billy-club us or shoot us down
Where will that get us, scared and threatened?


Revolution is not about singing and sit-ins, its about fighting for the lives of you and all of the oppressed

bloody_capitalist_sham
10th October 2006, 17:39
The elections are all fixed by electronic voting machines and corporate media

haha

THis is clearly bullshit or there would be evidence of this.

The problem is not whether democrats or repblicans get in, its the fact there is not difference between them. They are both really the same party.

Psy
10th October 2006, 17:59
I think I'll quote a bit from Malcolm X's speach "The Ballot or the Bullet"

"He tricked you, had you marching down to Washington. Yes, had you marching back and forth between the feet of a dead man named Lincoln and another dead man named George Washington, singing “We Shall Overcome.” He made a chump out of you. He made a fool out of you. He made you think you were going somewhere, and you end up going nowhere but between Lincoln and Washington."

Even today all protests do is give people exercise marching around the streets, sure there are protests that have been covered by the media but all that does is make people belive they are free, they can point to the march and say that is freedom.

Marx Lenin Stalin
10th October 2006, 18:36
So are you saying that protests are useless? At least the way they are right now?

Psy
10th October 2006, 19:38
Originally posted by Marx Lenin [email protected] 10 2006, 03:37 PM
So are you saying that protests are useless? At least the way they are right now?
Of course they are fucking useless, for a day or two (or three) you have bunch of people marching around then when it is all over the streets are back to normal, how is that hurting the system? If anything it is a safe release of dissent to the system.

Entrails Konfetti
11th October 2006, 01:24
Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 10 2006, 03:57 AM
Thomas Jefferson was an advocate of violent revolution. The tree of liberty needs to be watered with the BLOOD of tyrants, after all.
Yeah, and he was also against the Haitian Revolution because the whole idea of blacks liberating themselves and killing their masters kind of made slave-owners like him uneasy.

Madison on the otherhand was a good "founding father" because he provided in the DoI that if the people find their government too tyranical they can overthrow it.

which doctor
11th October 2006, 01:28
For one to be a "Pacifist Anarchist" one would have to assume that the state would peacefully dismantle itself. This is a false notion. The state uses force to stay in power, and it always will. Therefore the state will need power to dismantle it, this power comes from the people. When we have a conflict of interests, such as the people vs. state, we have a violent conflict.

bloody_capitalist_sham
11th October 2006, 01:40
Of course they are fucking useless, for a day or two (or three) you have bunch of people marching around then when it is all over the streets are back to normal, how is that hurting the system? If anything it is a safe release of dissent to the system.

It gives people who havent ever considered themselves political a chance to engage with a movement. Also you can see the oppressive tools of the state at work.

Also, people only take to the streets because they have no other way of gettting their voices heard.

The demonstrations reveal a lack of democracy. Demonstrating isnt part of democracy its showing liberal democracy for all it is. A lie.

LoneRed
11th October 2006, 02:18
Originally posted by EL KABLAMO+Oct 10 2006, 10:25 PM--> (EL KABLAMO @ Oct 10 2006, 10:25 PM)
black banner black [email protected] 10 2006, 03:57 AM
Thomas Jefferson was an advocate of violent revolution. The tree of liberty needs to be watered with the BLOOD of tyrants, after all.
Yeah, and he was also against the Haitian Revolution because the whole idea of blacks liberating themselves and killing their masters kind of made slave-owners like him uneasy.

Madison on the otherhand was a good "founding father" because he provided in the DoI that if the people find their government too tyranical they can overthrow it. [/b]
I think Madison was a jackass, he and the other Federalists wanted things for them, not for regular americans, He wanted to silence dissent from the masses, and believed in an all power national govt.

emma_goldman
11th October 2006, 03:26
Do you really think revolution CAN be achieved without any violence at all? Are the bourgeoisie just going to give over their power?

I think not.

Pacifism = pathology.

emma_goldman
11th October 2006, 03:27
Originally posted by Psy+Oct 10 2006, 04:39 PM--> (Psy @ Oct 10 2006, 04:39 PM)
Marx Lenin [email protected] 10 2006, 03:37 PM
So are you saying that protests are useless? At least the way they are right now?
Of course they are fucking useless, for a day or two (or three) you have bunch of people marching around then when it is all over the streets are back to normal, how is that hurting the system? If anything it is a safe release of dissent to the system. [/b]
It seems worthless because they're so fragmented but if we worked harder at joining our movements together, I'm sure we'd be more effective. What do you propose we do, if not protest?

Jesus Christ!
11th October 2006, 03:50
This sounds like libertarianism to me.

Tatarin
11th October 2006, 03:52
There is one, effective way to at least put a stick in the American capitalist machinery:

1. Get an EMP-bomb.

2. Get inside Wall Street.

3. Push the button.

Now we can revolt!
:D

Entrails Konfetti
11th October 2006, 04:49
Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 11:19 PM
I think Madison was a jackass, he and the other Federalists wanted things for them, not for regular americans, He wanted to silence dissent from the masses, and believed in an all power national govt.
True, I don't think he liked Shays Rebellion. Nor the Whiskey Rebellion (but wasn't that a slave-holders rebellion?)

Though I still think the Federalists were more progressive for that era than the Republicans.

Psy
11th October 2006, 06:37
Originally posted by emma_goldman+Oct 11 2006, 12:28 AM--> (emma_goldman @ Oct 11 2006, 12:28 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 04:39 PM

Marx Lenin [email protected] 10 2006, 03:37 PM
So are you saying that protests are useless? At least the way they are right now?
Of course they are fucking useless, for a day or two (or three) you have bunch of people marching around then when it is all over the streets are back to normal, how is that hurting the system? If anything it is a safe release of dissent to the system.
It seems worthless because they're so fragmented but if we worked harder at joining our movements together, I'm sure we'd be more effective. What do you propose we do, if not protest?[/b]
The average American worker doesn't give a fuck about Iraqis (face it they don't), they are too busy working most of the day and coming home dead tired having to go back to work the next day. Their reality is reduced to reading the paper on the bus (or driving to work), work, having a smoke with their co-workers during lunch, TV, beer and sleep.

It is possible to get the average American to stir as they do have grievances but protests just don't talk to those grievances (and usally out of sight of the average American worker anyway). You get the average American worker to stir and you can do alot more then a decade of protesting.

More Fire for the People
12th October 2006, 01:09
Originally posted by EL KABLAMO+Oct 10 2006, 07:50 PM--> (EL KABLAMO @ Oct 10 2006, 07:50 PM)
[email protected] 10 2006, 11:19 PM
I think Madison was a jackass, he and the other Federalists wanted things for them, not for regular americans, He wanted to silence dissent from the masses, and believed in an all power national govt.
True, I don't think he liked Shays Rebellion. Nor the Whiskey Rebellion (but wasn't that a slave-holders rebellion?)

Though I still think the Federalists were more progressive for that era than the Republicans. [/b]
Shays rebellion and the Whiskey rebellion were both movements made up of primarily independent smalltime farmers. Shays rebellion was led by indebted farmers who were quickly losing their small lands to larger estate owners and the Whiskey rebellion was led by farmers who used whiskey to supplement income.

rouchambeau
12th October 2006, 01:18
Yay! I'm a silly liberal too!

OneBrickOneVoice
12th October 2006, 01:20
Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 02:40 PM

The elections are all fixed by electronic voting machines and corporate media

haha

THis is clearly bullshit or there would be evidence of this.

The problem is not whether democrats or repblicans get in, its the fact there is not difference between them. They are both really the same party.
They are. Diebold voting machines which are one of the major blackbox voting machines used in US elections can be hacked in under a minute by any election worker. Also, there is no paper trail to prove that there was fraud.

Anyway what does it matter. It's not like I or anyone here except for the reformists on a revolutionary site would vote if that wasn't the case.