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[TheDifferenceEngine]

What if the communist party had come to power in mid-30's germany instead of the nazis?

[Pirate Utopian]

there prolly wouldnt have been a WW2

[RedAnarchist]

I would say -

-The Soviet Union would probably have sided with Germany.

- Hitler would have founded a Nazi resistance group, probably targeting Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, mentally ill and government oficials.

- Poland would actually cease to exist, being fully split between Red Germny and the USSR.

- The Cold War would probably have started earlier, with America only beocming involved years into the "conflict".

- Israel would probably have not come into existence.

- Einstein would not have had to flee Germany, so there would probably be no nuclear weaposn (at least, not for a while).

- Italy would have tried to declare war on Germany instead of fighting it, possibly in a loose alliance with Britain, the Commonwealth and France.

- No nuclear bomb would have been exploded above Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

- Attlee probably would have lost power in Britain later than he would have done.

- America's policy of isolationism would have lasted much longer.

[ComradeOm]

The 30's is too late. The real window of opportunity would have been 1918-1919. This would have had an obvious impact on the ongoing revolution in Russia.

[Leo]

The 30's is too late. The real window of opportunity would have been 1918-1919. This would have had an obvious impact on the ongoing revolution in Russia.

This is very true, but I just can't resist making speculations.


What if the communist party had come to power in mid-30's germany instead of the nazis?

- Germany and Russia would start taking the Eastern Europe together.

- Stalinist CP would take power in Spain.

- Mao would not be supportive towards Chaing Kai Shek during the Japanese and would take power in China with Soviet support.

- WWII would probably break with a possible invasion of Albania in early 1940ties, with Italy, France and England on one side and Russia, Germany and possibly Spain on the other.

- Russia and Germany would be doing very well, and Great Britain will the be the only truly standing power from the former allience.

- Japan would be doing much better in China as they would ally with what has remained from Chaing Kai Shek's forces, and they would defeat China easily.

- Eventually USA and Japan would enter the war to help Great Britain.

- Einstein would refuse to help either side for making a bomb.

- Eventually Germany and Russia would lose as their forces would be much more tired, their technology would be inferior and the strategical position of their enemies would be better, but the war would end with causalties that are at least twice as large as the causalties of the real second world war.

- After the war, a cold war would start between Japan and USA.

[Free Left]

If a "Red" Germany and the Societ Union had allied then they would have probably won the war against the US, France, Britian etc. Or a stalemate would have devolped or the number of causlties on both sides would have caused an emergency peace treaty to be made.
And then a Cold War would have devolped.

Also, a Japanese-US war was always going to happen no matter what, in my view.

[TheDifferenceEngine]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 05:30 PM
The 30's is too late. The real window of opportunity would have been 1918-1919.
Sorry, I meant the period between the wars.

[Pirate Utopian]

would germany still be communist today if the communists ruled germany back then?

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by Leo
- Einstein would refuse to help either side for making a bomb.

I've heard that Einstein was a socialist.

[Leo]

I've heard that Einstein was a socialist.

Yeah, but I don't think he was a stalinist, and I think he was a pacifist first before being a socialist. I might be wrong though...

[Vanguard1917]

The 30's is too late. The real window of opportunity would have been 1918-1919. This would have had an obvious impact on the ongoing revolution in Russia.

I agree, had a workers' revolution taken place in Germany in the years around the end of the First World War, the world would never have had to hear of either Hitler or Stalin.

But a workers' revolution in Germany in the '30s would have also had a massive impact. For one thing, it would immediately have dealt a blow to the conservative trends within the international communist movement, breathing new life into it.

[rouchambeau]

It would have never happened unless the Communists were willing to take measures similar to the Nazis to fix the economy. Otherwise, Germany would have fallen apart.

[pastradamus]

I dont think the Communist Leadership at the time would have been capable of doing what Hitler did at the start of his reign. That is eliminating unemployment, taking back the lands lost in the treaty, improving infrastructure.....as communist leadership was not as United as the Nazi's.
Unfortunatly