Hey, just a few questions on employment...

[koala girlie]

Hi, I recently became interested in communism. :blush: I just have a few questions:

1) If communism is declared, what will be the immediate impact?

2) Who will distribute jobs?

3) Will everyone have to work, and if so, to what extent?

4) How will we know who is working and who is not working?

5) How would the needlessly unemployed be reported?

6) How will theft and other crimes be addressed?

7) Will crime be less prevalent in a communist society?

8) What will be done about undesirable jobs?

9) Will school be mandatory? If not, what will be done about, for example, doctor shortages?

10) If I want a certain product that most people don't, and because it's so unpopular no one is producing it, how will I be able to get this product? Would I have to make it myself, if not, who will have to make it?

11) If you consider something a "job" while most people consider it a hobby (such as fashion design), will you have to get a "real job"? When does something stop being a hobby and how do we quantify it?


Thank you! :blush:

[apathy maybe]

"1) If communism is declared, what will be the immediate impact?"
It will not be "declared", the ruling classes will not give up power like that. Control of society will be taken from those who currently have power, and well this is where people disagree. I hope that that power will then be dissipated and effectively disappear, but some people disagree with me.

"2) Who will distribute jobs?"
You do what you want, and what needs to be done. Each community will have jobs that need to be done. They will be "distributed" by some method, lottery, rotation, more luxuries are all ways of getting people to work. However, no one will be forced to work. It is voluntary (though no one is forcing the community to feed you if you don't work ...).

"3) Will everyone have to work, and if so, to what extent?"
Hopefully work will be greatly reduced with the elimination of a large range of useless jobs (lawyers, judges, politicians etc.). With a bigger work force, that means less work, which means more leisure time. I would imagine at the current level of technology that 4 hours of work a day would be fine (or the equivalent over of that during a week).

"4) How will we know who is working and who is not working?"
Go and take a look?

"5) How would the needlessly unemployed be reported?"
I don't understand the question based on the answers mention above. (Work is voluntary.)

"6) How will theft and other crimes be addressed?"
Without property (you did say communist), theft is not an issue. Other crimes (such as rape or murder), will be dealt with at the community level. Depends on the community (though there are people around RevLeft who will tell you want they think).

"7) Will crime be less prevalent in a communist society?"
Yes. No property eliminates a wide range of property crime. Drug crimes will also be gotten rid of, as will stupid laws such as wearing a seat belt or a bike helmet. The state is not my mother thank you. Thank goodness the state will not exist in a communist society.

"8) What will be done about undesirable jobs?"
See answer to question 2.

"9) Will school be mandatory? If not, what will be done about, for example, doctor shortages?"
Only the state is in the job of forcing people to do things. Communism will not have such things as mandatory school. If we need more doctors, we train more. If people don't want to become doctors, well what do they do now?

"10) If I want a certain product that most people don't, and because it's so unpopular no one is producing it, how will I be able to get this product? Would I have to make it myself, if not, who will have to make it?"
You won't ... Supply and demand will work to a limited extant in this new society, if you want an item and you can not make it yourself or persuade someone else to make it for you, you do without.

"11) If you consider something a "job" while most people consider it a hobby (such as fashion design), will you have to get a "real job"? When does something stop being a hobby and how do we quantify it?"
See answers to questions 2, 3 and 5.


"Thank you!"
My pleasure.

[Gold Against The Soul]

Originally posted by apathy [email protected] 8 2006, 12:15 PM
"6) How will theft and other crimes be addressed?"
Without property (you did say communist), theft is not an issue.


Communism doesn't imply the end of personal property but private property. So theft of personal property would still be possible but you would imagine it would be a rare occurrence.

[midnight marauder]

Communism doesn't imply the end of personal property but private property. So theft of personal property would still be possible but you would imagine it would be a rare occurrence.

On the issue of personal property, I think the point here is that there isn't much incentive to steal something that you could already have for free.

[Noah]

well what do they do now?

They'd use schemes that would raise conciousness about that particular job as opposed to raising wages (a common tactic used in capitalism)...

I don't think there will be a shortage in many fields though, the reason some people go for a 'higher' job than a teacher (let's say a doctor) is because usually it pays alot better.

But because there is no money, people won't chase paper and coins but instead their true passions.

If anything we'll have plenty of teachers, doctors and so on because in capitalism some of the population are left out of the system.

They end up in prison for petty crime; robbery, drugs and violence ... All these people have potential to be something but they just weren't given the opportunity or motivation.

What about cleaners and 'dust bin men' (as we say round 'ere) ... Well an attitude i've noticed among youth who litter here is 'let the cleaner do their job, it's how they earn their money right?' there is no respect for how clean the environment is because the attitude imposed upon them by capitalism isn't about respecting other people it's just that they don't have an incentive to walk 20 feet to a dustbin, they can just throw it on the floor.

Why do alot of kids disrespect teachers (okay, if their a fanatic or something fine), capitalism puts this attitude on kids that;

teach = does work = money ...

They don't recognise it as a service for themselves (the students) but instead that they are the people keeping them alive by going to school!


...Although I didn't directly answer your questions, I hoped I helped!