age of consent

[Pirate Utopian]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Oct 6 2006, 03:20 PM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ Oct 6 2006, 03:20 PM)
Big [email protected] 6 2006, 03:19 PM
sometimes i think your micheal jackson
Do you consider yourself a child? [/b]
i consider myself too young to be legal

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Big Manifesto+Oct 6 2006, 03:22 PM--> (Big Manifesto @ Oct 6 2006, 03:22 PM)
Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 6 2006, 03:20 PM

Big [email protected] 6 2006, 03:19 PM
sometimes i think your micheal jackson
Do you consider yourself a child?
i consider myself too young to be legal [/b]
Fair enough.

I think this is a prime example of the oppression of young people. The whole notion of being "legal" is a socially construced oppression by people who want to keep young people in their place.

The concept of "legality" is a bourgeois concept and one perpetuated by people who discriminate and oppress based on something as arbitrary as how many years you have been alive. You're not a statistic which is defined by legal or not legal, you are a human being with the ability to think and a desire to be independent!

I'm interested to know what you think being "legal" means? Would you not have sex until you were "legally" allowed to do so?

[Pirate Utopian]

not with grown-ups!

[rioters bloc]

Originally posted by Big [email protected] 7 2006, 12:26 AM
not with grown-ups!
if you didn't wanna fuck you coulda just said so... why make up bullshit excuses :(

now my feelings are hurt. i can't believe i threw myself at you! :(

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Big [email protected] 6 2006, 03:26 PM
not with grown-ups!
I'm not trying to start an argument with you, I think this is a very important issue and of course you shouldn't do anything you don't want to do. I find it interesting that you describe yourself as being "legal"? That's a real indication of the oppression of young people.

What is a "grown up"? I don't view myself as particularly grown up? At what age do you become a "grown up"?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by rioters bloc+Oct 6 2006, 03:29 PM--> (rioters bloc @ Oct 6 2006, 03:29 PM)
Big [email protected] 7 2006, 12:26 AM
not with grown-ups!
if you didn't wanna fuck you coulda just said so... why make up bullshit excuses :(

now my feelings are hurt. i can't believe i threw myself at you! :( [/b]
Are we grown ups?

[Pirate Utopian]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Oct 6 2006, 03:30 PM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ Oct 6 2006, 03:30 PM)
Big [email protected] 6 2006, 03:26 PM
not with grown-ups!
I'm not trying to start an argument with you, I think this is a very important issue and of course you shouldn't do anything you don't want to do. I find it interesting that you describe yourself as being "legal"? That's a real indication of the oppression of young people.

What is a "grown up"? I don't view myself as particularly grown up? At what age do you become a "grown up"? [/b]
well mr .precision i ment legal adults and before you ask what that is i ment 18 or older

[rioters bloc]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Oct 7 2006, 12:31 AM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ Oct 7 2006, 12:31 AM)
Originally posted by rioters [email protected] 6 2006, 03:29 PM

Big [email protected] 7 2006, 12:26 AM
not with grown-ups!
if you didn't wanna fuck you coulda just said so... why make up bullshit excuses :(

now my feelings are hurt. i can't believe i threw myself at you! :(
Are we grown ups? [/b]
i am *feels important*

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Big Manifesto+Oct 6 2006, 03:32 PM--> (Big Manifesto @ Oct 6 2006, 03:32 PM)
Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 6 2006, 03:30 PM

Big [email protected] 6 2006, 03:26 PM
not with grown-ups!
I'm not trying to start an argument with you, I think this is a very important issue and of course you shouldn't do anything you don't want to do. I find it interesting that you describe yourself as being "legal"? That's a real indication of the oppression of young people.

What is a "grown up"? I don't view myself as particularly grown up? At what age do you become a "grown up"?
well mr .precision i ment legal adults and before you ask what that is i ment 18 or older [/b]
Dude, I'm not being confrontational.

I'm just confused. I mean, if you're not "legal" to have sex until 18, presumably you don't have sex? Otherwise, if you do hae sex at 15, which is "illegal" why you don't want to have sex with someone who is "legally" allowed?

[Pirate Utopian]

i dont think it's illegal for me to have sex with a person from around my age is it?

[rioters bloc]

Originally posted by Big [email protected] 7 2006, 12:38 AM
i dont think it's illegal for me to have sex with a person from around my age is it?
depends on where you live but usually, no.

there's some laws around it but can't find em at the mo

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Big [email protected] 6 2006, 03:38 PM
i dont think it's illegal for me to have sex with a person from around my age is it?
Although there is no precedence for convicting people who have sex under the "age of consent" (not a legal term), you're only "legally" allowed to have sex at 18.

Are you never sexually attracted to people who are 18 or over? If that person came to you and offered you sex, would you say no?

[rioters bloc]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 7 2006, 12:46 AM
Although there is no precedence for convicting people who have sex under the "age of consent" (not a legal term), you're only "legally" allowed to have sex at 18.

Are you never sexually attracted to people who are 18 or over? If that person came to you and offered you sex, would you say no?
well again it depends on the jurisdiction

for example in victoria, australia, if you're younger than 10 you're not 'allowed' to have sex. if you're between 10 and 16, you can have sex with someone who is no more than 2 years older than you. if you're ages 16 or 17 you're not 'allowed' to have sex with someone who's care or supervision you're under.

the same applies in the act. the other states and territories have even more conservative laws...

[Pirate Utopian]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Oct 6 2006, 03:46 PM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ Oct 6 2006, 03:46 PM)
Big [email protected] 6 2006, 03:38 PM
i dont think it's illegal for me to have sex with a person from around my age is it?
Although there is no precedence for convicting people who have sex under the "age of consent" (not a legal term), you're only "legally" allowed to have sex at 18.

Are you never sexually attracted to people who are 18 or over? If that person came to you and offered you sex, would you say no? [/b]
OH NO A COMPLEX! :o well i would find it strange she would want sex with me, and just because im too young :( .
but then again i would hit that ass

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Big [email protected] 6 2006, 04:00 PM
:o well i would find it strange she would want sex with me, and just because im too young :(
But if you think about it, the only reason you would find it strange is because she has been alive three years longer than you.

I mean, the reality is, she would probably want to have sex with you because she finds you sexually attractive.


but then again i would hit that ass

Of course you would, and so you should!

[which doctor]

I think when I turn 17 I'm legally allowed to have sex with whoever I want. And at age 18 I can legally have sex with my teachers.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I am personally strongly in favor of laws which bar sexual intercourse between children and adults. Whether the current laws are satisfactory is debatable, but I will never be convinced that a 10 year old kid is able to consent to any kind of sexual relations withan adult. As far as I'm concerned, that is rape.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Dr. [email protected] 6 2006, 06:05 PM
I will never be convinced that a 10 year old kid is able to consent to any kind of sexual relations withan adult.
What if there is irrefutable evidence?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

like what, for instance?
It's practically universally recognized that pre-pubecent children don't posess the mental, emotional, and physical capability to participate in consentual sex.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Dr. [email protected] 6 2006, 07:28 PM
It's practically universally recognized that pre-pubecent children don't posess the mental, emotional, and physical capability to participate in consentual sex.
Perhap someone as young as 10.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Perhaps 16 is a better age of consent.

[which doctor]

13-14. is better than 16.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Dr. [email protected] 6 2006, 07:44 PM
Perhaps 16 is a better age of consent.
It's 14 in mainland Europe. It's only America that has archaic sex laws.

My position on the age of consent is a complicated one and one that I have gone into several times on the board. I don't believe that there should be a standardised age of consent that is enforced by people, because every individual is different.

The only "law" that should govern society in such a standard way is "Everyone is free to do what they choose, except prohibit the freedom of others." That's a very generalised statement, but this statement, as general as it is, binds every action into a justified and unjustified position.

Judging human behaviour based on how long one has lived is arbitrary and makes no rational sense. When a human being is capable of making informed, rational and emotionally mature decisions about sex and is physically capable og honouring that consent, then it doesn’t matter how long that person has been alive.

Whether their age is 12 or whether it is 16, it makes no difference. The issue that arises is the issue of force and force is unjustified in the context of someones individual freedom in any given situation, again regardless of how many years one has been alive.

[C_Rasmussen]

Age of Consent: 50


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[Pirate Utopian]

some how i feel responsable for them approving pedophilia :(

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Oct 6 2006, 04:05 PM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ Oct 6 2006, 04:05 PM)
Dr. [email protected] 6 2006, 07:44 PM
Perhaps 16 is a better age of consent.
It's 14 in mainland Europe. It's only America that has archaic sex laws.

My position on the age of consent is a complicated one and one that I have gone into several times on the board. I don't believe that there should be a standardised age of consent that is enforced by people, because every individual is different.

The only "law" that should govern society in such a standard way is "Everyone is free to do what they choose, except prohibit the freedom of others." That's a very generalised statement, but this statement, as general as it is, binds every action into a justified and unjustified position.

Judging human behaviour based on how long one has lived is arbitrary and makes no rational sense. When a human being is capable of making informed, rational and emotionally mature decisions about sex and is physically capable og honouring that consent, then it doesn’t matter how long that person has been alive.

Whether their age is 12 or whether it is 16, it makes no difference. The issue that arises is the issue of force and force is unjustified in the context of someones individual freedom in any given situation, again regardless of how many years one has been alive. [/b]
So after children have been raped, it will be judged whether s/he was capable of consenting to the act?

Puberty occurs at a particular age range, after which, people obtain the right to make decisions regarding their bodies. Automatically giving everyone rights over their bodies, to later determine whether they have been violated is irresponsible, dangerous, and criminal. Judging each individual medically on a case by case basis sounds mighty inconvenient, but better than the former scenario, I suppose. A pre-determined age at which people obtain legal consenting rights is the most logical solution. Even if it involves suppressing sexual relationships between teenagers and adults at the expense of protecting innocent kids from rape.

[Aurora]

I doubt any child would want to have sex before puberty anyway.I imagine it would be extreemly uncomfortable.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Big [email protected] 6 2006, 09:40 PM
some how i feel responsable for them approving pedophilia :(
This board is designed for thinking. If you're not prepared to do that, don't post here.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Dr. [email protected] 6 2006, 09:53 PM
So after children have been raped, it will be judged whether s/he was capable of consenting to the act?
That's how cases of rape are judged.


Automatically giving everyone rights over their bodies, to later determine whether they have been violated is irresponsible, dangerous, and criminal.

People have the "right" over their body as soon as they can conceptualise that "right" and it is not for you or me to determine when that "right" is to be handed to them.

You seem to think that setting this standard is somehow a deterrent. Clearly that isn't the case. All instances of rape have to be judged on the basis of whether or not consent was given.


A pre-determined age at which people obtain legal consenting rights is the most logical solution.

In that case it should be the general age in which children begin puberty.


Even if it involves suppressing sexual relationships between teenagers and adults at the expense of protecting innocent kids from rape.

The issue of dealing with people who rape children is not going to be solved by a pre-determined age of consent or by suppressing other peoples freedoms.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 11:05 PM
I doubt any child would want to have sex before puberty anyway.I imagine it would be extreemly uncomfortable.
I tend to agree.

[Little brother]

Free love man.
God i wish i could still fully believe in this.
As much as i like the idea of this being a true statement, in this day and age with many young girls being dragged into the idea of
"yeah he's older than me so by fucking him i'll become more popular"
and guys taking advantage of this for s quick shag. It's terrible. Then the even more concerning case of much older people being with much younger ones in cases which i see as rape.
What on earth happened to the days we were could have sex with people in our age bracket and there wouldn't be concern about it?
The whole scene of sex has been totally disgraced and become 'dirty' by these sorta people (mentioned above)
But yeah i agree with the statement that a child would actually want to have sex before puberty. I mean before puberty i'm pretty sure i thought that if i touched a girl i would contract a fatal case of cooties and roll over and die.
So i guess that if you were to have sex with a child who hadn't reached puberty, unless in the most uncommen of cases it would be suffice to say that it is indeed rape because the child wouldn't have the same "sexual urges" as a older person who is in the stage of puberty.

[rioters bloc]

hmmm i don't know about not having sexual feelings before puberty, i think it varies widely from child to child.

my first kiss was when i was 8, and the guy was 11. it wasn't just a peck or anything either, we were in this little crate all squashed together and touching each other and shit. and i remember liking it quite a bit, and even feeling aroused.

my first experience with oral sex was when i was 13, and the other girl was 9. and she inititiated it, firstly just with touching and kissing my boobs, and then moving down. and she definitely enjoyed it cos she was all wet and made little panting noises.

but yeah... differs i suppose.

[Okocim]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Oct 6 2006, 08:05 PM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ Oct 6 2006, 08:05 PM)It's 14 in mainland Europe. It's only America that has archaic sex laws.[/b]
Age of consent in Europe:

Britain: 16
France: 15
Germany: 16
Ireland: 16
Italy: 14
Portugal: 14/16
Poland: 15
Czech Republic: 15
Estonia: 14
Spain: 13
Switzerland: 16
Ukraine: 16
Northern Ireland: 17



(ps. I love your avatar. :P )




Originally posted by Little [email protected] 8 2006, 05:10 AM
I mean before puberty i'm pretty sure i thought that if i touched a girl i would contract a fatal case of cooties and roll over and die.

agreed.


Little [email protected] 8 2006, 05:10 AM
So i guess that if you were to have sex with a child who hadn't reached puberty, unless in the most uncommen of cases it would be suffice to say that it is indeed rape because the child wouldn't have the same "sexual urges" as a older person who is in the stage of puberty.

I'm not sure about that. Read Rioters Bloc's "experience" - to me that sounds pretty clear that there is the same kind of urges Any quick look on parenting sites on the internet will show you that there are stories of kids who haven't reached puberty masturbating, in nature we can see apes doing it as well before they reach puberty. Even the onset of puberty happens at different times for different people so I think it's obvious that so will the age at which an individual will be ready for sex is entirely dependent on the individual.

[ricardsju]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 09:18 PM
Spain: 13

isn't that where wacko jacko lives now?

[Little brother]

Rioters Bloc does give a good example yes, but with trying to not insult Rioters Bloc too much i ask how common a case is this?
I'm pretty sure those expirences didn't happen til later but i would have no idea when the urges did.
What age would be considered the average age that childeren get sexual urges?

sorry to Rioters bloc if i insulted in any way
-prepares for the following blows to come, aborts fetal position-

[apathy maybe]

Originally posted by TAT
It's 14 in mainland Europe. It's only America that has archaic sex laws. Well... if you meant of the "advanced Western countries" then you are almost correct about it only being the USA that has such stupid laws. However, in Australia while I think 16 is the AoC for hetrosexual sex, the AoC for sex between men is 18 (at least in Tasmania)(I think). And of course, countries that have lower ages of consent do not necessarily do it for progressive reasons (not that I need to tell you that I am sure).


Little brother: I don't think your questions are out of line, and to answer them to my best ability. I think in the USA 50% of children have sex before they are 15 (I think).

But it does make a good point, how many of these children would want to have sex with an adult rather then a person the same age as them? I know I was always more attracted to the girls my age then older women. (Now I'm easy and will go with anybody. That is just 'cause I'm sex starved though.)

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

That's how cases of rape are judged.

No, it isn't!
You cannot judge sex to be legal if one of the partners isn't old enough to legally consent. It's called statutory rape.


You seem to think that setting this standard is somehow a deterrent. Clearly that isn't the case. All instances of rape have to be judged on the basis of whether or not consent was given.

Pre-pubescent children can't be given the legal responsibility to consent to sexual acts.


In that case it should be the general age in which children begin puberty.

Children undergo puberty around the age of 11-15.

Somewhere between 14 and 16 would be satisfactory.