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rioters bloc
5th October 2006, 16:45
considered putting this in science and environments but thought people might throw a hissy fit.

written by a friend


Green Tampons

The average women uses once and then throws away approximately 10, 000 pads or tampons in her lifetime.

What's in a Tampon?

Tampons are made from cotton and contain Rayon for absorbency and Dioxin for whiteness.

Traditional tampons that are currently on the market are made from Rayon-cotton blends as well as 100% rayon and 100% cotton. Rayon is reconstituted wood pulp and its production involves the use of many chemicals. The traditional cotton used in tampons has been grown using as many as 35 different pesticides, herbicides and fungicides after which the cotton is washed and bleached. This manufacturing process has a certain level of harmful chemical usage, and after years of continued use, the residue from these chemicals adds considerably to the body's system. The chemicals do not just go away after they have been sprayed on the cotton. Some of the chemicals are even reactivated when moisture is applied.

rayon
Rayon is used because it is very absorbent. It is made from cellulose fibres derived from wood pulp. Artificial fibres like rayon are abrasive and can cause tiny cuts embedding pieces into cervical tissue and increasing the occurrence of ulcerations and peeling of mucous membrane. Tampons soak up more than just blood. They absorb vaginal mucus that is necessary to maintain a healthy pH balance in the vagina. Lack of balance can lead to yeast infection.

dioxin
Dioxin is a chemical that is used for bleaching products. Dioxin is a general term that describes a group of hundreds of chemicals that are highly persistent in the environment. Dioxin is well-known for its ability to damage the immune system and interfere with hormonal systems. However, reports conducted by some independent health organizations and also researchers hired by companies like Tampax that provide tampons for consumers, claim that levels of dioxide are minimal and that they are within government regulations.

Cotton in Australia

Cotton is the third most important agricultural export for Australia, generating approximately A-$ 1.5 billion (0.8 billion Euro) annually. Australia grows an average of 450000 ha or approximately 1 million acres of cotton. Obviously, both the Australian Government and also the cotton industry have a vested interest in any research conducted that involves pesticide (pest killer) or herbicide (plant/weed killer) use with cotton production.

Production of Cotton

Unless the production of the cotton is certified as organic it will contain traces of all the pesticides and herbicides used in cotton production. A pesticide or herbicide is any substance or mixture of substances intended for preventing, destroying, repelling, or mitigating any pest of weed. By their very nature, most pesticides or herbicides create some risk of harm to humans, animals, or the environment because they are designed to kill or otherwise adversely affect living organisms.
Monsanto justified the introduction of Roundup Ready into Australia cotton industry because it stated that when used on cotton production pesticides can have a potentially harmful effect on aquatic life, affecting plants that provide food and habitat for fish and other aquatic animals and sometimes being directly toxic to these animals.

In a joint program involving CSIRO and seed companies, Monsanto sold its INGARD cotton (also known as Bt cotton) to Australian growers with estimates that there would be a 90% drop in sprays. In fact, for the 1996-97 crop there was a 52% decrease (some claim as much as 60%). Although this was not evenly spread among producers, some argue this is still very good news.

However, Australian farmers generally found themselves worse off financially than they thought they would. Some had to spray just as much as usual, yields were variable and costs higher. The level of Bt toxin was not consistent throughout the plant, throughout the life of the plant, or under different weather conditions, and more insects survived than had been intended by the developer (some Australian researchers suspected the dose of toxin was not high enough for our pests). Critics argue this is typical of the 'imprecision' and lack of predictability of how gene technology works in the real world.

Bt ( bacillus thuringiensis ) cotton has been grown in Australia since 1996. Varieties have either one or two genetically modified inserts that provide separate proteins to kill off pests. A further loss for Australian cotton farmers is a $155/ha “technology fee” that ha s to be paid to Monsanto.

Other Options to Tampons

Organic Tampons: at least you know that they are not made with lots of bad stuff even though it still generates heaps of waste. (Eco Yarn Organic)

The Keeper: a tampon alternative that is reusable with a life of approximately 10 years. The Keeper is made of natural gum rubber, so it has a severely reduced impact on the environment when compared to traditional tampons.

Sea Sponge: occur naturally on the floor of the ocean. No chlorine, bleaching involved. Reusable, affordable, comfortable…fun to wash out in public wash rooms. You can buy it from any chemist and just wash it in warm water after you buy it, letting it soak a while perhaps using a little vinegar if you like.

We’ll be getting these other options in our UTS food co-op very soon….

Rollo
6th October 2006, 09:54
How is washing a tampon fun exactly? :P

BreadBros
7th October 2006, 03:01
Come on Rollo, how is washing out a used sea-sponge tampon in a public restroom NOT FUN?

emma_goldman
7th October 2006, 03:37
Tampons should be free. :/

I'll go for organic tampons but I'm not rewashing them....

LoneRed
7th October 2006, 22:33
ya i don't see how its fun, but it seems that you are similar to a bunch of girls i know, they are throwing a "period party" where they share stories, play games, whatever people do at a period party. I want to see if guys go sit down and join them if, they'll get uncomfortable and ask us to leave. THe point of the party is to spread awareness and break down barriers, so naturally men should be allowed, or double standards would be present


sorry for ranting

YSR
7th October 2006, 22:37
LoneRed, is there any thread involving women that you can't drop in on for no reason and beat us over the head with your sexism?

In other news: I didn't even know organic tampons existed. Cool, RB.

LoneRed
8th October 2006, 00:07
Where is my sexism? have a good look, you will find nothing. If i can see correctly, this wasnt "your" thread, as you posted just in response to me.

cause i think enjoying washing a tampon is disgusting, im a sexist? great reasoning there kid.

I guess you nor other "feminists" can't handle the truth when it bites you in the ass. Feminists (liberal) are full of double standards and contradictions, if you fail to see that it's my fault


anyways,
the girls at the house use sponges, they have a cup in the bathroom to put them into. not the thing you wanna see in the morning

Ol' Dirty
8th October 2006, 03:16
What is this "tampon" you speak of, and does it taste good? :D

Really, that sounds cool. I'd rather have women using that than some chemical filled bleachbag.

RevSouth
8th October 2006, 07:32
I wonder if you could reconstitute cigarette filters into tampons? It would take forever, but they are cellulose, absorbant, etc. Wouldn't want try it if you had syphilis of the mouth though. Or with another persons smokes.

FatFreeMilk
8th October 2006, 07:41
The concept of sea sponge tampons and that rubber thing creep me out.

I care about the earth and all, but I won't apoligize for wanting a fresh tampon. So disposing them all the time is the least of my concern. Sue me. An organic tampon, maybe but the rinse n reuse concept is beyond gross.

Here's another (weird/gross) alternative. Here (http://www.jadeandpearl.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=52).

YSR
8th October 2006, 10:17
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 09:08 PM
Where is my sexism? have a good look, you will find nothing.
That coulda been when you started complaining about women not immediately involving men in a biological concern of theirs.


If i can see correctly, this wasnt "your" thread, as you posted just in response to me.

No one "owns" the thread. I meant "us" in the sense of "the RevLeft community". After all, property is theft, right?


great reasoning there kid.

Oh, get a life. You're like a year older than me.


I guess you nor other "feminists" can't handle the truth when it bites you in the ass. Feminists (liberal) are full of double standards and contradictions, if you fail to see that it's my fault

Good to see that even when you are trying to rebut accusations of anti-feminism, you manage to sneak some anti-feminism in. Congrats.

Sorry to RB and all the women who actually meant to discuss this in this thread. I will refrain from conversing with LoneRed anymore here.

Rollo
8th October 2006, 10:20
Originally posted by Young Stupid Radical+Oct 8 2006, 05:18 PM--> (Young Stupid Radical @ Oct 8 2006, 05:18 PM)
[email protected] 7 2006, 09:08 PM
Where is my sexism? have a good look, you will find nothing.
That coulda been when you started complaining about women not immediately involving men in a biological concern of theirs.


If i can see correctly, this wasnt "your" thread, as you posted just in response to me.

No one "owns" the thread. I meant "us" in the sense of "the RevLeft community". After all, property is theft, right?


great reasoning there kid.

Oh, get a life. You're like a year older than me.


I guess you nor other "feminists" can't handle the truth when it bites you in the ass. Feminists (liberal) are full of double standards and contradictions, if you fail to see that it's my fault

Good to see that even when you are trying to rebut accusations of anti-feminism, you manage to sneak some anti-feminism in. Congrats.

Sorry to RB and all the women who actually meant to discuss this in this thread. I will refrain from conversing with LoneRed anymore here. [/b]
According to netgeeks laws of age being adleast 40 seconds older than someone allows you to call them kid and youngen. Altho I don't think lonered's post was sexist having a period party is extremely stupid. It'd be like me inviting a bunch of my friends over to talk about the last time I ejaculated.

rioters bloc
8th October 2006, 11:43
Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 05:21 PM
According to netgeeks laws of age being adleast 40 seconds older than someone allows you to call them kid and youngen. Altho I don't think lonered's post was sexist having a period party is extremely stupid. It'd be like me inviting a bunch of my friends over to talk about the last time I ejaculated.
if that's what you wanted to do, then i wouldn't make fun of you for it. but either way, menstruation is hardly the same as ejaculation :rolleyes: while i wish that we lived in a world where we could all talk about everything together without feeling uncomfortable or ridiculed, i have too often experienced men completely hijacking discussions about issues which solely effect wom*n (such as menstruation, childbirth, abortion) and either acting completely grossed out or trying to tell wom*n what they should do or how they should feel about something that they often have little knowledge on, and have never experienced.

lone red's post wasn't sexist as much as it was ignorant, chauvinistic, and immature. althought it was still sexist. are you still bitter about being kicked out of the cc for your sexist opinions? gonna take it out on all wom*n from now on, hey?

anyway, FFM, i agree with you. i don't know if i could/would use resusable tampons, mainly because i'm usually out all day and i can't imagine washing one in a public toilet...

Rollo
8th October 2006, 11:48
Originally posted by rioters bloc+Oct 8 2006, 06:44 PM--> (rioters bloc @ Oct 8 2006, 06:44 PM)
[email protected] 8 2006, 05:21 PM
According to netgeeks laws of age being adleast 40 seconds older than someone allows you to call them kid and youngen. Altho I don't think lonered's post was sexist having a period party is extremely stupid. It'd be like me inviting a bunch of my friends over to talk about the last time I ejaculated.
if that's what you wanted to do, then i wouldn't make fun of you for it. but either way, menstruation is hardly the same as ejaculation :rolleyes: while i wish that we lived in a world where we could all talk about everything together without feeling uncomfortable or ridiculed, i have too often experienced men completely hijacking discussions about issues which solely effect wom*n (such as menstruation, childbirth, abortion) and either acting completely grossed out or trying to tell wom*n what they should do or how they should feel about something that they often have little knowledge on, and have never experienced.

lone red's post wasn't sexist as much as it was ignorant, chauvinistic, and immature. althought it was still sexist. are you still bitter about being kicked out of the cc for your sexist opinions? gonna take it out on all wom*n from now on, hey?

anyway, FFM, i agree with you. i don't know if i could/would use resusable tampons, mainly because i'm usually out all day and i can't imagine washing one in a public toilet... [/b]
I don't mind talking about menstraution or ejaculation but throwing a party to talk about it is kinda.... Off.

Okocim
8th October 2006, 12:02
if someone wants to have a party about it, that's cool - I see no reason why, if a man wanted to, that he couldn't attend. Though in my experience, when wom*n start talking about periods etc men tend to have a sudden need to get some coffee or the like.



The OP sounds.....interesting. I have a question though:

"Sea Sponge: occur naturally on the floor of the ocean. No chlorine, bleaching involved. Reusable, affordable, comfortable…fun to wash out in public wash rooms. You can buy it from any chemist and just wash it in warm water after you buy it, letting it soak a while perhaps using a little vinegar if you like."

why do you need to soak it in vinegar?

Mujer Libre
8th October 2006, 12:47
Originally posted by rioters bloc+Oct 8 2006, 08:44 AM--> (rioters bloc @ Oct 8 2006, 08:44 AM)
[email protected] 8 2006, 05:21 PM
According to netgeeks laws of age being adleast 40 seconds older than someone allows you to call them kid and youngen. Altho I don't think lonered's post was sexist having a period party is extremely stupid. It'd be like me inviting a bunch of my friends over to talk about the last time I ejaculated.
if that's what you wanted to do, then i wouldn't make fun of you for it. but either way, menstruation is hardly the same as ejaculation :rolleyes: while i wish that we lived in a world where we could all talk about everything together without feeling uncomfortable or ridiculed, i have too often experienced men completely hijacking discussions about issues which solely effect wom*n (such as menstruation, childbirth, abortion) and either acting completely grossed out or trying to tell wom*n what they should do or how they should feel about something that they often have little knowledge on, and have never experienced.

lone red's post wasn't sexist as much as it was ignorant, chauvinistic, and immature. althought it was still sexist. are you still bitter about being kicked out of the cc for your sexist opinions? gonna take it out on all wom*n from now on, hey?

anyway, FFM, i agree with you. i don't know if i could/would use resusable tampons, mainly because i'm usually out all day and i can't imagine washing one in a public toilet... [/b]
Apparently you can leave a keeper in all day, which is cool. But they're pretty expensive so I've never bothered to get one...

Keep meaning to though. And I hate ads for pads and tampons. :rolleyes: They're all subtly saying "periods are dirty," FFS.

apathy maybe
8th October 2006, 15:32
Little boy goes to buy some tampons in the chemist. The assistant asks, "are these for your mother or sister?". "No, they are for me. The ads say that I can ride a horse, sky dive, SCUBA dive and lots of other things that I have never done before."

Sorry for the joke (not really actually :P). But anyway, I agree with rioters bloc about the men/women issue.

However, I do not see the issue of reusable or organic tampons solely as a women's issue. After all, men have to live on this planet as well, but I'm not about to tell anyone what to do, just recommend cool earth saving stuff that's all.

Black Dagger
8th October 2006, 19:36
Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 05:34 AM
ya i don't see how its fun, but it seems that you are similar to a bunch of girls i know, they are throwing a "period party" where they share stories, play games, whatever people do at a period party. I want to see if guys go sit down and join them if, they'll get uncomfortable and ask us to leave. THe point of the party is to spread awareness and break down barriers, so naturally men should be allowed, or double standards would be present


sorry for ranting
You're so fucking clueless,

You think autonomous organising for women is bourgeois, yes?

LoneRed
8th October 2006, 21:26
"you can't fight racism with racism, you fight it with solidarity"

the same goes for sexism

You can't fight sexism with sexism, you fight it with solidarity

IT makes absolutley no sense to have no men their.

1. They want to get rid of the stigma that people have over "womens" issues, what better way to get the word out, then let the men know whats going on. Women cannot be liberated on their own, it takes both to liberate. You can't try to liberate yourself, when the "oppressor" has no clue what's going on. Its like trying to separate oneself from society


Also a "period party" thats just plain stupid. They wanna play the game "pin the tampon on the vagina" i mean Wtf?, There are more important things that we have to fight for, we don't have time to waste our days looking at a corruption scandal, when genocide is happening, comprende?

Black Dagger
8th October 2006, 21:40
Right, so you oppose women, Black people, queers etc. who wish to organise autonomously?

Justify that outmoded shit, please.

Communists support self-determination of the oppressed (self-emancipation), that includes supporting the desire of oppressed peoples to organise autonomously. It's not uncommon for people to feel like they're being marginalised, mistreated, misrepresented by, or discriminated against by their white hetero male 'comrades' in the revolutionary movement.

I suppose you think the Mujeres Libres of Spain had the wrong idea?
They should have just shut up and integrated with their male comrades and junked all this divisive talk about sexism? All this crazzzzzzy non-sense about women joining together and organising to address their own issues within the revolutionary movement and society?



Originally posted by LR+--> (LR)"you can't fight racism with racism, you fight it with solidarity"

the same goes for sexism

You can't fight sexism with sexism, you fight it with solidarity
[/b]

Autonomous Black organising is not racist.

Nor is women organising autonomously sexist, that is a fucking ignorant thing to say.

Autonomous organising is important, frankly, because people like you exist, ignorant-types with no fucking political sensibility. The kind of people who will walk into a women's only space, or queer-space, and start an argument like,

'Why do you need a special space? Don't seperate yourself off from the struggle!!! WHY ISN'T THERE A WHITE MALE HETERO SPACE HUH?!!! You talk about racism, you talk about sexism and homophobia, well that is racism, sexism and homophobia right there! WHERE IS THE MALE SPACE?!!!' etc. etc.


LR
You can't try to liberate yourself, when the "oppressor" has no clue what's going on. Its like trying to separate oneself from society

Haha, yeah, the best way to liberate oneself is to make sure your oppressor is up in all of your organisational shit, pitching you ideas, and explaining how they think you should fight and win the struggle against them, capital idea!

You support all WC organisations, don't ya? It's essentially the same fucking principal, bourgeois communists can fuck up WC organisations because, 1) they've got no idea what it's like to be WC, they just plain don't understand - they are members of the exploiting class, and 2) they've got bourgeois (anti-WC) prejudices.

Quills
8th October 2006, 21:53
I use a mooncup, which is like a keeper. It's great, I can leave it in all day, it's a cheap one-time purchase, and it's enviromentally friendly. At first I was a bit icked by being so touchy-close with the blood, but when you get used to it it's okay.

I've tried a lot of alternatives, and I think I'll stick to the mooncup till something better comes along. It seems to be the best. Organic tampons are generally less reliable than normal ones, and the sponges slightly freak me out.

TC
9th October 2006, 00:05
I think its so annoying how some post-modernist, some primitivist, and other generally female-identity centred psudo-feminists politicize women's bodies like they want to get in touch with some mother-nature gaia spirit crap or something. I think this ironically, RiotersBloc, comes from the sort of place that the article you recently posted in the discrimination forum was criticizing.

Trying to get people to use re-usuable tampon alternatives like its some kindof a political statement is frankly weird, creepy, and gross. Why go after tampons anyways? Why not toilet paper, that obviously produces way more waste? Why aren't we hearing about re-usuable toilet paper? Yah obviously thats gross too (which is apparently a big plus for the green hippie psudo-feminists posers), but since both genders use it, it doesn't have the same female-identity appeal that they apparently want to shove down left leaning women's throats. There are organic, reusuable condoms, how come the blood-and-body-hair-are-lovely camp isn't pushing those?


Women's bodies aren't inherently political okay, the freaky psudo-left needs to learn that the same way the right does.

Mujer Libre
9th October 2006, 02:17
Tragic, the issue is about the environment, not necessarily about mentruation itself. Although, that said, I see no reason why we should be made to feel that something we experience every month is disgusting. Do you? I think I know the answer already.

And 'reusable' toilet paper is clearly a stupid idea... :rolleyes: However recycled toilet paper is another story- and I know of campaigns to get it more widely used.

By the way, what's so disgusting to you about female body hair?

Women's bodies ARE political because they have historically been a site of domination and control. Fuck, women even police their own bodies- for exmple, lots of women feel obliged to shave, when they'd really rather not. I can't wait for that example to be taken out of context and mauled. :)

Rollo
9th October 2006, 03:04
I don't get it. I mean throw a party and at the party talk about your period stories and stuff but I guess the party was thrown by younger girls. As a novelty or something.

LoneRed
9th October 2006, 05:40
hey BD you know who said that first quote?

it was Bobby Seal


also, rollo these girls are from 18-24

Rollo
9th October 2006, 05:52
So they're going to have a party revolving around the menstral cycle?

LoneRed
9th October 2006, 06:59
ya, that, and just about the process of bleeding

angelfacebich
9th October 2006, 07:27
If tampons are harmful, I'd rather use pads then sponges or the "washable" tampons, That's just ridiculous... being on my period is already hard work, it would just piss me off if people are going start expecting women to "care about the enviroment" by introducing reuseable tampons and whatnot. Really, it's just unsanitary.

BreadBros
9th October 2006, 08:44
It doesnt necessarily have to be unsanitary....One thing though, are sea sponges really that abundant that every woman could just start using them instead of the store-bought tampons? Im just thinking about all the women in the world, and if they all had a sea sponge, thatd be a crapload of sea sponges killed, and with the reefs and what not in bad condition already....

Rollo
9th October 2006, 08:46
Sponge bob tampons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_sponge

LoneRed
9th October 2006, 11:11
I'd assume that there is a place to make grow these sponges, or whatnot

KappaDelta
9th October 2006, 11:56
Coopers Town is a nifty place indeed.

Black Dagger
9th October 2006, 14:04
Originally posted by LoneRed+Oct 9 2006, 12:41 PM--> (LoneRed @ Oct 9 2006, 12:41 PM) hey BD you know who said that first quote?

it was Bobby Seal
[/b]
You took his quote out of context to push a pseudo-racist agenda which he would not agree with.

Now stop dodging and start responding, or do you only know how to start arguments and not finish them?





Originally posted by Black Dagger+--> (Black Dagger)
Originally posted by LR
"you can't fight racism with racism, you fight it with solidarity"

the same goes for sexism

You can't fight sexism with sexism, you fight it with solidarity

IT makes absolutley no sense to have no men their.

1. They want to get rid of the stigma that people have over "womens" issues, what better way to get the word out, then let the men know whats going on. Women cannot be liberated on their own, it takes both to liberate. You can't try to liberate yourself, when the "oppressor" has no clue what's going on. Its like trying to separate oneself from society


Also a "period party" thats just plain stupid. They wanna play the game "pin the tampon on the vagina" i mean Wtf?, There are more important things that we have to fight for, we don't have time to waste our days looking at a corruption scandal, when genocide is happening, comprende?

Right, so you oppose women, Black people, queers etc. who wish to organise autonomously?

Justify that outmoded shit, please.

Communists support self-determination of the oppressed (self-emancipation), that includes supporting the desire of oppressed peoples to organise autonomously. It's not uncommon for people to feel like they're being marginalised, mistreated, misrepresented by, or discriminated against by their white hetero male 'comrades' in the revolutionary movement.

I suppose you think the Mujeres Libres of Spain had the wrong idea?
They should have just shut up and integrated with their male comrades and junked all this divisive talk about sexism? All this crazzzzzzy non-sense about women joining together and organising to address their own issues within the revolutionary movement and society?



[email protected]
"you can't fight racism with racism, you fight it with solidarity"

the same goes for sexism

You can't fight sexism with sexism, you fight it with solidarity


Autonomous Black organising is not racist.

Nor is women organising autonomously sexist, that is a fucking ignorant thing to say.

Autonomous organising is important, frankly, because people like you exist, ignorant-types with no fucking political sensibility. The kind of people who will walk into a women's only space, or queer-space, and start an argument like,

'Why do you need a special space? Don't seperate yourself off from the struggle!!! WHY ISN'T THERE A WHITE MALE HETERO SPACE HUH?!!! You talk about racism, you talk about sexism and homophobia, well that is racism, sexism and homophobia right there! WHERE IS THE MALE SPACE?!!!' etc. etc.


LR
You can't try to liberate yourself, when the "oppressor" has no clue what's going on. Its like trying to separate oneself from society

Haha, yeah, the best way to liberate oneself is to make sure your oppressor is up in all of your organisational shit, pitching you ideas, and explaining how they think you should fight and win the struggle against them, capital idea!

You support all WC organisations, don't ya? It's essentially the same fucking principal, bourgeois communists can fuck up WC organisations because, 1) they've got no idea what it's like to be WC, they just plain don't understand - they are members of the exploiting class, and 2) they've got bourgeois (anti-WC) prejudices. [/b]

LoneRed
9th October 2006, 18:04
psuedo-racist, hilarity, do you learn a new word every week or something?


I'm not against autonomous organizing but when they specifically don't allow men, or white people to help out, they are being foolish, im not saying that the whites be a part of everything the "black liberation" group does, but there is much they can do. This has nothing to do with national liberation, sorry, this has to do with exclusionism. If women want their voice in society, or want in this case, their liberal feminism across the airwaves, it is natural that men would participate, either they would, or the women would be hypocrites, and wouldnt let them

TC
12th October 2006, 15:11
Originally posted by Rollo+--> (Rollo)How is washing a tampon fun exactly? [/b]

Clearly the point of it (i.e. "fun to wash out in public wash rooms") is to make some kindof weird psudo-political statement, so grossing out the person washing her hands next to you would be percisely the appeal of it.


Originally posted by Muigwithania+--> (Muigwithania)I'd rather have women using that than some chemical filled bleachbag. [/b]

How is that even like, remotely any of your concern? How many artificial chemicals do you think you actually consume in your food every day? Guessing a lot more than are in tampons, and i'm guessing it hasn't hurt you at all. Its just psudo-primitivist b.s. to obesses over that sort of thing and b.s. identitarian politics to try to apply it specifically to women.


Originally posted by Rioters Bloc
if that's what you wanted to do, then i wouldn't make fun of you for it. but either way, menstruation is hardly the same as ejaculation :rolleyes:

What do you mean by that exactly?


Originally posted by Rioters Bloc
lone red's post wasn't sexist as much as it was ignorant, chauvinistic, and immature. althought it was still sexist.

What was sexist about it?


Originally posted by Rioters Bloc
gonna take it out on all wom*n from now on, hey?

Uh, how the hell does criticizing a group of girls promoting identarian politics in a stupid way "take it out on all 'wom*n'." Do you think all women automatically agree with or participate in exclusionary female-identity-centric politics? Do you think all women's politics are arbitrarily focused on their bodily funcitons?

You don't have the right to impose your anti-materialist political views on 3 billion people okay :-p.


Originally posted by LoneRed
I guess you nor other "feminists" can't handle the truth when it bites you in the ass. Feminists (liberal) are full of double standards and contradictions, if you fail to see that it's my fault

Don't be stupid this has nothing to do with liberal feminism. Liberal feminism was what brought the women's liberation movement around *real* political issues with a material basis in economic and political discrimination. This is identitarian bullshit that has nothing whatsoever to do with mainstream liberal feminism which has only been interested in acheiving women's equality, not convincing women to do gross things so they can be more aware of their 'womenhood' or whatever.


Originally posted by FatFreeMilk
I care about the earth and all, but I won't apoligize for wanting a fresh tampon.

Clearly, you must be "policing your own body" under the "domination and control" of a patriarchy thats made you "feel that something we experiance every month is disgusting" :rolleyes: please see Mujer Libre's brilliant posts for more information on this :lol: .



Originally posted by Mujer Libre
Keep meaning to though. And I hate ads for pads and tampons. They're all subtly saying "periods are dirty," FFS.

Right, cause clearly they're really something that should be celebrated and we should worship the moon goddess, right? :rolleyes:

Um, do you think ads for toilet paper are saying that urine is dirty? In both cases they're saying what everyone already thinks: people want to feel reasonably clean not cause they're 'ashamed of their bodies' but because it would be uncomfortable otherwise.

I bet you wouldn't have any issue with condom ads making semon seem dirty lol.



Originally posted by Black Dagger
You think autonomous organising for women is bourgeois, yes?

Thats not autonomous organizing its just having a weird social event and he didn't say anything about it being bourgeois.


Originally posted by LoneRed
IT makes absolutley no sense to have no men their.


It makes absolutely no sense to have men there either. It basically makes no sense at all. I can't believe you can honestly feel excluded by such a thing though i would think it would make all guys and most women feel at least a little embarrased.


Originally posted by Black Dagger
Communists support self-determination of the oppressed (self-emancipation), that includes supporting the desire of oppressed peoples to organise autonomously. It's not uncommon for people to feel like they're being marginalised, mistreated, misrepresented by, or discriminated against by their white hetero male 'comrades' in the revolutionary movement.


Lol do you think tampons are oppressive? Are vinger sea spunges liberating? lol.


Originally posted by Black Dagger
'Why do you need a special space? Don't seperate yourself off from the struggle!!! WHY ISN'T THERE A WHITE MALE HETERO SPACE HUH?!!! You talk about racism, you talk about sexism and homophobia, well that is racism, sexism and homophobia right there! WHERE IS THE MALE SPACE?!!!' etc. etc.

Seriously BlackDagger, despite being a white man, you're the worst promoter of identitarian politics here. Were you a straight man, you'd be an egodystonic one who would probably deny it for the sake of politics.


Originally posted by Mujer Libre
Tragic, the issue is about the environment, not necessarily about mentruation itself.

Oh yah right. The environmental impact of tampons, when compared to all of the other artificially produced personal products people use, has got to be negligable.


Originally posted by Mujer Libre
And 'reusable' toilet paper is clearly a stupid idea...

Why is reusable toilet paper a stupid idea but reusable tampons isn't a stupid idea? It would certaintly save a lot more waste! You say its about the environment not menstruation right?


Originally posted by Mujer Libre
By the way, what's so disgusting to you about female body hair?

Why is it that identity politics radical feminists have to think that just because someone doesn't celebrate whatever female-identity thing they want to promote, it means they find it "disgusting."



Mujer [email protected]
Fuck, women even police their own bodies-

You've really reached the level of rightwing social reaction with this comment. The suggesting that women taking control and ownership of their own bodies amounts to some sort of oppressive "policing" is tantamount to claiming that women are incapable of making free decisions about their bodies. In short you would reduce other women to children who are unable to act as free agents even with regard to themselves.

This is a *common* aspect of reactionary psudo-"feminism", from suggesting that sex is rape (i.e. women are as children and can't consent or have their own sexual desires) to suggesting that women trying to appear more attractive are being oppressed (which is to think that their bodies are only for the benefit of men and society and never themselves).

People making decisions about their own bodies is not oppressive, its a necessary aspect of being free.


for exmple, lots of women feel obliged to shave, when they'd really rather not.

Oh please, *far* more men feel obliged to shave when they'd really rather not, because everyone can tell when men aren't shaving whereas women can go without shaving without anyone knowing it as long as they don't wear certain types of clothes; and men shave a lot more often.

But, naturally this isn't a concern for you because thats with men, and therefore doesn't serve your political agenda of poltiics based around an arbitrary sort of female-identity.


Angelfacebich
it would just piss me off if people are going start expecting women to "care about the enviroment" by introducing reuseable tampons and whatnot. Really, it's just unsanitary.

Seriously. Its funny how much more crap supposedly progressive people think women ought to have to put up with than men.

Black Dagger
12th October 2006, 15:58
Hey, it's my favourite Tankie-Feminist, hey!!! :)


Originally posted by CLOWN+--> (CLOWN)Thats not autonomous organizing its just having a weird social event and he didn't say anything about it being bourgeois.[/b]

How about you don't chime into my convos ay? Then maybe you wouldn't step in and make an arse of yourself?

Hmm?

I was having a general conversation with LR, not talking about the event in the topic post specifically (see this is what im talkin about, i have to waste time explaining shit that has nothing to do with you, because u decided to chime in), and yes he didnt say anything about it being bourgeois, that is why what i said was a question, i was asking him if he thought it was bourgeois, seriously, if you can't follow what is going, don't bother to chime, k?


Originally posted by [email protected]
Lol do you think tampons are oppressive? Are vinger sea spunges liberating? lol.

Lol lol lol why do you type like a 13 year old on ICQ? lol lol lol?


CLOWNY
Seriously BlackDagger, despite being a white man, you're the worst promoter of identitarian politics here. Were you a straight man, you'd be an egodystonic one who would probably deny it for the sake of politics.

Jibber jabber, non-sensical insult, jibber jabber, huh? What?

What does this whiney crap even mean? When you make claims it's useful to provide evidence, oh and using words that i might actually understand could help, like what the fuck does 'identitarian' mean?

Also, please do not make claims like 'if you were X, than you would be like Y', which are on face complete rubbish, it just makes you look stupid.

Hiero
12th October 2006, 19:13
Remember when Mr.Garrison said " I just don't trust anything that bleeds for five days and doesn't die" refering to woman on their periods. What a sexist asshole.

LoneRed
12th October 2006, 20:08
yet hilarious.


and it's called a cartoon for something, it's not supposed to be real life. If everything is to be taken seriously, life would suck ass (more so)

Rollo
13th October 2006, 05:07
Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 02:14 AM
Remember when Mr.Garrison said " I just don't trust anything that bleeds for five days and doesn't die" refering to woman on their periods. What a sexist asshole.
South park says a lot of things. The majority of them are offensive which is why it got so popular.

drain.you
16th October 2006, 19:55
for fucks sake, why do we have go on and on about nothing. its eco friendly great, if i were a wom*n i wud use them, fuck i might even wash the fuckers and use them again. end of. stop being so fucking picky.

anarchista feminista
24th October 2006, 01:57
Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2006 12:37 pm
Tampons should be free. :/

I'll go for organic tampons but I'm not rewashing them....
yeah i posted a thread asking if anyone from australia is interested in bringing up this issue again in regards to sanitary items being labelled as "luxury items"

i'd like to bring this up again if anyone has any other ideas
click here to go to the thread (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=51754&hl=sanitary+items+as+a+luxury)

Raisa
13th November 2006, 10:33
I cant give too shits.

I have BAD periods.

And when there is communism and we work four hours a day ill be cool with "the keeper"

But standing on my feet for eight hours is un natural, so is my tampon to cope with my unatural conditions.

Raisa
13th November 2006, 10:47
You know what I think?


WOMEN, shouldnt have to do SHIT at ALL on the first three days of our period if we dont want to.
Thats right.... rearrange the economy..figure it the FUCK out!

A man couldnt cope with the pain.
It feels like you just had your insides were blugeoned and messed up. or like you were hit by a car. Men rule society and convince us our period is not that bad.
Dont get me wrong, I love to see my period cause it means no little hungry babies coming out of my poor stomach right now and I apreicate that alot,
But I dont think we should be expected to do anything on our period. Its just like the flu.


Am I the only one who changes her tampon after I pee....
I cant stand if I pee on the little chord and then go to work.
Psh eeeew.Got to put a new one!

Quills
14th November 2006, 23:47
Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2006 10:47 am
You know what I think?


WOMEN, shouldnt have to do SHIT at ALL on the first three days of our period if we dont want to.
Thats right.... rearrange the economy..figure it the FUCK out!

A man couldnt cope with the pain.
It feels like you just had your insides were blugeoned and messed up. or like you were hit by a car. Men rule society and convince us our period is not that bad.
Dont get me wrong, I love to see my period cause it means no little hungry babies coming out of my poor stomach right now and I apreicate that alot,
But I dont think we should be expected to do anything on our period. Its just like the flu.


Am I the only one who changes her tampon after I pee....
I cant stand if I pee on the little chord and then go to work.
Psh eeeew.Got to put a new one!
I think I've just fallen in love with you...

Rollo
15th November 2006, 05:13
Only just now?

Political_Chucky
15th November 2006, 05:55
LOL

Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampon)


A tampon is a plug of cotton or other absorbent material inserted into a vagina to absorb babies. The most common type in daily use (and the topic of the remainder of this article) is a vibrating plug that is designed to be inserted into a woman's vagina during her menstrual period to give her an orgasm. The use of these devices has caused serious seizures and strokes. In the United States, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates tampons as vaginal devices.

Haha if I knew how to take a screen shot I would. Shows that Wikipedia Never lies

Rollo
15th November 2006, 06:00
They fixed that fast.

subcal
16th November 2006, 03:41
Originally posted by rioters [email protected] 08, 2006 10:43 am
i have too often experienced men completely hijacking discussions about issues which solely effect wom*n (such as menstruation, childbirth, abortion)
Since when does abortion only effect a female? If she impregnated herself maybe... I may be pro-choice but I would hope the sperm donor has some say in the matter, however small that may be.

(Consider this a hijack if you will, but its not an all female subject.)

anarchista feminista
16th November 2006, 05:12
Originally posted by subcal+November 16, 2006 01:41 pm--> (subcal @ November 16, 2006 01:41 pm)
rioters [email protected] 08, 2006 10:43 am
i have too often experienced men completely hijacking discussions about issues which solely effect wom*n (such as menstruation, childbirth, abortion)
Since when does abortion only effect a female? If she impregnated herself maybe... I may be pro-choice but I would hope the sperm donor has some say in the matter, however small that may be.

(Consider this a hijack if you will, but its not an all female subject.) [/b]
yes i think all of those things can effect males aswell, especially partners.

Raisa
16th November 2006, 06:56
Originally posted by subcal+November 16, 2006 03:41 am--> (subcal @ November 16, 2006 03:41 am)
rioters [email protected] 08, 2006 10:43 am
i have too often experienced men completely hijacking discussions about issues which solely effect wom*n (such as menstruation, childbirth, abortion)
Since when does abortion only effect a female? If she impregnated herself maybe... I may be pro-choice but I would hope the sperm donor has some say in the matter, however small that may be.

(Consider this a hijack if you will, but its not an all female subject.) [/b]
As a man who thinks he even got the right to have a say, you then shoudlnt fuck with a woman who isnt willing to have your baby in the first place. Talk about it.
THis is real shit for you to descuss.

There is WAY more women hten men for a man to chose from.

We didnt have to spread our legs, but you didnt have to fuck with a woman that didnt want to have your baby either. You got more of a choice then we do.

The only time a man should EVER have a say on the extent of these things is if he takes the time to MARRY this woman. Married people belong to each other through committment. Im not talking about marriage through the government. If you take the time to let your woman know youre down for LIFE, and swear on it everythnig you are.....and yall both know each other aint going anywhere.
I went in a court house today for a legal matter and I realized ....shit, I dont think these people are really worthy of defining the terms of my love- this is the same building genocide is dealt out in......not very interested. But married people KNOW when THEIR married. If you take the time to show a female that dignity and show her youre that down then maybe you can say "listen mami, I really think we can do it, please dont abort the baby"

All you righteous boyfriends dont matter.

subcal
16th November 2006, 08:22
EDIT: Do YOU have that conversation before every sexual encounter?

anarchista feminista
16th November 2006, 08:34
Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 06:22 pm
EDIT: Do YOU have that conversation before every sexual encounter?
:lol:

chimx
16th November 2006, 08:44
i don't know how practical washing tampons are pads is. i have been thinking about buying my girlfriend the keeper though. most people i know who have used it think it is pretty keen.

Raisa
17th November 2006, 09:02
Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 08:22 am
EDIT: Do YOU have that conversation before every sexual encounter?
Idont have all these sexual encounters really.......
THis is a conversation you have in a relationship.
If someone is just a sexual encounter it isnt hteir buisness if I have the baby or not.

Rollo
17th November 2006, 09:21
Marriage is a farce. FARCE!

Honggweilo
17th November 2006, 14:42
evading the controversial issue on "female identity" here, isnt it a practical solution to replace your everyday tampon with somesort of frontal butplug? if it could be hygenic enough and store blood for a day, then it could reduce the cotton overproduction and polution.

But anyway dont mind my sporadic atempts to sound witty and just ignore me as always :lol:

EDIT:


The Keeper: a tampon alternative that is reusable with a life of approximately 10 years. The Keeper is made of natural gum rubber, so it has a severely reduced impact on the environment when compared to traditional tampons.


Damn never mind, i suck at being original... god i wish i werent dyslectic

Rollo
17th November 2006, 14:44
................. Is it acid?

Honggweilo
17th November 2006, 14:46
you would think it was, but no. Guess its me