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Sadena Meti
4th October 2006, 19:21
Lou Dobbs's "Class War" (http://us.cnn.com/2006/US/10/03/Dobbs.Oct4/index.html)

A funny read, it perpetuates the myth that the middle class is the working class, substituting income level and lifestyle for role in production.

YSR
4th October 2006, 19:40
Further confirming my suspicion that Lou Dobbs is secretly a fascist.

Sadena Meti
4th October 2006, 20:09
Originally posted by Young Stupid [email protected] 4 2006, 11:41 AM
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Congratulations on you 666th post :ph34r:

bcbm
4th October 2006, 21:05
Much of the middle class is proletarian. Will it devolve into open class warfare if things continue? I wouldn't hold my breath. I think it will take a major crisis to push into an insurrectionary or revolutionary situation, more than declining wages certainly.

BreadBros
4th October 2006, 23:26
This isn't terribly different from a lot of fascist corporatist ideas. Basically, the ruling class fucks over the middle and working classes, and in order to stop them from challenging the very capitalist system that created such a scenario, they use rhetoric to convince those who were screwed over to side with them and their nationalist ideals.

rouchambeau
5th October 2006, 00:16
Much of the "middle class" is proletarian, and what makes such people "middle class" is their income level.

Seafire
5th October 2006, 00:42
Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 4 2006, 02:06 PM
Much of the middle class is proletarian. Will it devolve into open class warfare if things continue? I wouldn't hold my breath. ...

Nor would I. This begs the question "what should conscious, aware, entities be doing" in this particular period of history?

My answer? Bring about a situation where the masses are willing to revolt, to engage in open class warfare against their capitalist masters.

How? Not by making their existence more conscious, more tollerable more comfortable, for them, not by putting band aids on their sores, but rather by exacerbating their plight, by rubbing salt into their wounds, by making them angry and desperate, by making sure that the most virulent capitalist monsters are in power.

Thereby you promote LASTING and self-perpetuating revolution.

All we can do today, is set the stage for what will come; if we aspire to see it's fullfillment, that aspiration will surely be it's own destruction. This will happen in the future, it can NOT happen now. All we can do now, is work and prepare for it's ultimate victory

Seafire

bcbm
5th October 2006, 07:52
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 03:43 PM
Nor would I. This begs the question "what should conscious, aware, entities be doing" in this particular period of history?
I would say they should be attempting to build consciousness in their workplaces and communities, or at least try to disseminate their ideas to the general populace.


How? Not by making their existence more conscious, more tollerable more comfortable, for them, not by putting band aids on their sores, but rather by exacerbating their plight, by rubbing salt into their wounds, by making them angry and desperate, by making sure that the most virulent capitalist monsters are in power.


This sort of thing would only further seperate us from the under-classes. We need to create solidarity and breed consciousness, not kick them while they're down.