what needs to be done to start the revolution

[hendseth_53]

All right well to begin i would just like to say that when the revolution starts hopefully in canada within the next few decades i would like to be the first person to take a bank executive out onto the street and blast away with a 9mm point blank at his head.

But all in all i need to know what you good comrades would do or need to start a revolution. Whether it be bloody or non vilolent just give me your details. We all know that the neo-cons are going to be the death of us all and they need to be stopped before they fuck up the world for the entire generations of humans comming after us.

To begin with my insugnifigant life would be finish my education degree at the university. We can use education as our tool to shape and encourage a whole plethera of youngstes to challenge what they feel as wrong. After about 10 years of changing and shaping at the high school level, hopefully the majority of the baby boomer population has died off and they younger smarter and more philosiphicaly inclined population will have enough courage collectivally to change our society.

That is all i have thought about so far and i dont know what kind of society it would be after the revolution has started so give your info

[KC]

Shut up

[Janus]

Moved to Learning.

[Janus]

What? You would like to sponsor genocide? :wacko:

[rouchambeau]

roffle

[Son of a Strummer]

I think the first step might be the secession of Quebec as a self-proclaimed libertarian socialist society, allied with Cuba, Bolivia, Venezuela and the Zapatistas. Followed not much later by British Columbia.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Whooooah dude, this sounds like Nazism

[BuyOurEverything]

I think the first step might be the secession of Quebec as a self-proclaimed libertarian socialist society, allied with Cuba, Bolivia, Venezuela and the Zapatistas. Followed not much later by British Columbia.

Totally, they could call it British Quebec. That would go over great.

[Wiesty]

The only thing class hate leads to is genocide. Take a look at Rwanda 10 years ago. The only way a socialist revolution is going to occur in Canada/America is if the Working Class realises that Capitalists are not there friends. They then must organise themselves and start a workers poltical party and acheive socialism through their own votes.

[angus_mor]

First off, hendseth_53 is reactionary, and secondly, I don't think we should stoop to the level of nicaraguan contras and start summarily executing multi-nationals and bank executives. True, bloodshed may be inevitable in the abolishion of property, but that doesn't mean we should start another Reign of Terror and execute everyone deemed counter-revolutionary. In fact, we should never execute anyone that has been disarmed and/or arrested/imprisoned.

Quebec probably will secede from the union and revolution will most likely prevail, as there is quite a healthy left movement there, I should know as my girlfriend is a member of the Communist Party of Quebec (PCQ), and I have seen it with my own two eyes! I participated in a demonstration against the bombing of Lebanon back in August, and what did I see but none other than hundreds of red flags waving tiumphantly. The secessionist movement there has been growing for quite some time, going back farther than Pierre Elliot Trudeau's administration.

[blueeyedboy]

Hi. I live in England and I don't know about you, but us english are very lazy. I think to start a revolution will be harder than maintaining it, because of the lack of motivation in our people. To me, motivation is a key factor in bringing about a system change, because if there isn't motivation, then nothing will happen.

My second point is that the workers need a hell of a lot of resources to pull this off, which I don't think they have. Personally, the Police need to be in on it, or the potential revolution will be crushed straight away. if the Army get involved, then its good night gracy. They need to be on it as well. This Iraq thing that's going off is good in a way because the Army are being treated like crap, and they're gradually understanding that the people in power are idiots, and i think the Army will rebel sooner or later.

To sum up, motivation and material resources are the key, which at the moment there is none, and the public services would have to help out as well.

[cb9's_unity]

wow i kinda like the thought of a socialist nation just above america. just think quebec in the north and then the possibility of mexico going socialist in the south. america may be finally have to open it's eyes.

[Comrade Kurtz]

What a disgusting post. He actually wants to cap someone, probably not for the cause either, per se, but just because. The democratic socialist revolution should be non-violent but firm. And if he was a true communist he would know the revolution cannot be rushed. It will only come with better technology.

He's as reactionary, if not more so, than the "neo-cons" he speaks of.

[Cryotank Screams]

I personally believe a revolution could happen with mobilization and education of the masses, people's manufacturing of goods, and guerilla warfare.

To the original poster; You sound like an over-zealot brat who would do more harm than good.

[Don't Change Your Name]

hendseth_53, you sound like an undercover cop or as a completely stupid person. I'm betting both descriptions are true.

[Son of a Strummer]

I'd like to suggest that socialism will start in the urban sphere. Just as it has been traditionally when socialism was a living revolutionary force we will be seeing entire communities defining an urban space as socialist and thereafter winning power in democratic municipalities. These will be solidaritous neighborhoods with their own systems of production and distribution, perhaps with their own money systems. In any case they will be alternative communities, certainly internationalist in outlook, yet delinked from the imperialist system, setting a positive example even as the capitalist civilization is crumbling. Of course there will be violent reactions to this, and disciplined socialists will have determine amongst themselves when and to what degree violence is legitimate for their self-defence.

(In North America it will probably start in Montreal or perhaps Eugene or Vermont, after places like Bolivia, Timor and Nepal have shown us the light.)

I feel that my fellow Montrealer, Leonard Cohen, was wrong when he wrote....

"It's coming to America first,

the cradle of the best and of the worst.

It's here they got the range

and the machinery for change

and it's here they got the spiritual thirst.

It's here the family's broken

and it's here the lonely say

that the heart has got to open

in a fundamental way:

Democracy is coming to the U.S.A."


We will be learning about democracy from citizens in the developing world who have been far less desensitized and jaded by consumerism, and who have suffered through colonialism and hegemonic domination.

[Okocim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2006 12:10 am
Hi. I live in England and I don't know about you, but us english are very lazy. I think to start a revolution will be harder than maintaining it, because of the lack of motivation in our people. To me, motivation is a key factor in bringing about a system change, because if there isn't motivation, then nothing will happen.

My second point is that the workers need a hell of a lot of resources to pull this off, which I don't think they have. Personally, the Police need to be in on it, or the potential revolution will be crushed straight away. if the Army get involved, then its good night gracy. They need to be on it as well. This Iraq thing that's going off is good in a way because the Army are being treated like crap, and they're gradually understanding that the people in power are idiots, and i think the Army will rebel sooner or later.

To sum up, motivation and material resources are the key, which at the moment there is none, and the public services would have to help out as well.
it's not laziness or lack of motivation: it's plain old fashioned apathy and negative attitudes, which are enforced in our schools and media. Remember, it's not "cool" to be interested in politics here. :rolleyes:

Secondly, workers have everything. WC can take the factories, hopefully, like in Russia, the police and army, just everything - and what will the bourgeois be able to do about that? nothing, except first shriek at the armed forces to protect them, and then lock their doors when all else fails.

I don't think the army will rebel any time soon, without actual agitators in the forces as well as activity outside (neither of which is really present atm). However read this week's socialist worker: on page 2 they have a bunch of quotes by soldiers which show the tide is starting to turn.

"The general has laid down the gauntlet to the government. It is now time that we stood behind him. Bring on the revolution." - British soldier.

"If Sir Richard goes, it's time for a coup" - British soldier.

(source = Socialist Worker #2023)



edit:
OP: :lol: seriously? undercover cop? lol. or just confused?

[RED VICTORY]

Since everyone else already kinda dumped on you hendseth_53 I'll try not to but with a post like that you gotta admit you brought some of it on yourself.

As far as your vision of a bloody revolution and capping bankers in the street and such you gotta remember that killing isn't really that cool. ya know. of course you know.
You see violence in revolution occurs when the capitalists or ruling class tries to hang on to their power. We (the revolutionaries) cant start just offing people. war and killing suck but none the less they are sometimes necessary. If the capitalists try to use armed conflict to defend their power to exploit then we must fight .

We have to uphold a revolutionary morality

( hint) I wouldn't try to promote communism through promoting murder. Lets try
to focus peoples attention on the great peace in our future under
socialism, communism.

[Political_Chucky]

Originally posted by RED [email protected] 23, 2006 03:05 pm
( hint) I wouldn't try to promote communism through promoting murder. Lets try
to focus peoples attention on the great peace in our future under
socialism, communism.
Yep true words right there. That is the reason why people were so afraid of Communists to begin with, back in the 60s and maybe even now. They believe Communists are evil and for death and destruction. That is quite the opposite.

And stop calling him reactionary, I hate that word. Douchebag is more suitible.

[angus_mor]

He is a douche bag, but his douche bagginess stems from his reactionary nature, and not the other way around.

[u.u]

Please remember the incidents with the Symbionese Liberation Army in the USA. Killing people and being a criminal never does anyone any good.

[Nex]

Killing people and being a criminal never does anyone any good.

I hate to say this but it could actually be a good thing for the revolution. Say some stupid people like hendseth go out and cap some bankers claiming to be communist. Then the government in a typical knee-jerk reaction decideds to crack down on everyone even remotely associated with leftist ideals (that'd be everyone on this forum). This could help to polarize the leftist community as a whole and finally force us to action.