Question about American Life

[Krypto-Communist]

i want the resident patriots to respond to this as well which is why I decided to post it in this forum.

whenever debating a patirotic american, they always lament about how "wonderful the country is", our 'education system', natural wonders, etc....

But!!!

Ever notice that the best places to live in America, the best places to receive a K-12 education, the best standards of living, best community life, church attendance is the lowest, most diversity, vacation hot-spots, musueums where all the good music comes from (Seattle, California, New England, Chicago)....etc.

Happens to be all found in the primarily LEFT-LEANING areas of the country?

All of the universities that are renown for their academics are criticized by lunatic-right-wingers as "far left havens for America haters" or "liberal indoctrincation camps".

The blue-states are all of the states that tend to be the wealthiest, the smartest, and are ranked as the "best places to live in".

Anybody ever notice this?

What the fuck do the red-states like Florida, Alabama, Kentuckey, Idaho, Montana, have to offer?

The south may have New Orleans but that is a primarily left-leaning city inthe South!
And I doubt the Mississippi Delta Blues artists would have a "Blues ARtists for Bush" bumper sticker on their car.

Tobacco fucking sucks, Whiskey is the choice for wife-beaters, and country music fucking sucks!

Face it right-wing conservative American assholes!

The left is far more smarter, better looking, musically and artistically talented, than you will ever be!

[theraven]

brilliant post my lad, anyway red-state america has a lto of buisness and farms and such. it has the major texan cities liek dallas and houston, it has florida with disney world and maimi.

also the reason those places lean democrat is usually a large urban poor population.

anyway im off to services

[colonelguppy]

no there are plenty of places in red states to live which are nice, which is of course true for blue states as well. i personally prefer living in texas, although in the most liberal city there (austin). anywho i don't really let politics get in the way of how nice a place is, enless ther eis high taxes or other factors which cause the cost of living to be raised.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Krypto,

I may be a poor choice to answer this question, as I don't entirely disagree with you. But I'll begin by pointing out the irony that you are acting the way people here warned me that many cappies act, that is to make some preaching stand and not attempt a discussion based on genuine inquiry and interest.

But I'll take a whack at it:

Here's what you wrote. Hope you don't mind if I use your essay as the basis of my "response".



i want the resident patriots to respond to this as well which is why I decided to post it in this forum.

While I don't speak for everyone in the United States of America, it would be fair to call me an American patriot.



whenever debating a patirotic american, they always lament about how "wonderful the country is", our 'education system', natural wonders, etc....

We'll ignore how you've used the word lament in a positive fashion, as opposed to its dictionary definition of a death, or sad concept. Of these three things you've mentioned: Our country is wonderful, America has great natural wonders. However, there is no such thing as the American education system. We have 50 education systems. Each are very different than the other. Even districts can be different than one another. In an example of how, as you mention, west coast states are more liberal, notice that Oakland, near San Francisco, instituted a required high school course on African Americans. ALL students must take this class. The overall purpose is to cause young people to grow up more "leftist", as the curriculum is geared toward that direction.



But!!!

Ever notice that the best places to live in America, the best places to receive a K-12 education, the best standards of living, best community life, church attendance is the lowest, most diversity, vacation hot-spots, musueums where all the good music comes from (Seattle, California, New England, Chicago)....etc.

Happens to be all found in the primarily LEFT-LEANING areas of the country?

I can't disagree with you on the overall concept of what you say, but that has nothing to do with patriotism. It's simply a matter of choice, ratified by the political process we enjoy. The fact that these areas CAN choose the lifestyle they wish is not some slap in the face to American patriotism, but one of the examples of what we are patriotic about.



All of the universities that are renown for their academics are criticized by lunatic-right-wingers as "far left havens for America haters" or "liberal indoctrincation camps".

The blue-states are all of the states that tend to be the wealthiest, the smartest, and are ranked as the "best places to live in".

Anybody ever notice this?

What the fuck do the red-states like Florida, Alabama, Kentuckey, Idaho, Montana, have to offer?

The south may have New Orleans but that is a primarily left-leaning city inthe South!
And I doubt the Mississippi Delta Blues artists would have a "Blues ARtists for Bush" bumper sticker on their car.

Tobacco fucking sucks, Whiskey is the choice for wife-beaters, and country music fucking sucks!

Face it right-wing conservative American assholes!

The left is far more smarter, better looking, musically and artistically talented, than you will ever be!

Here you are demonstating that which people here at Revolutionaryleft.com constantly accuse cappies on the O.I. board to be, silly preachers. You're just being a commie one, distilling America down to rediculous cultural stereotypes.

I could post stuff like, "Ever notice commies are people without jobs, and live pathetic lives, and want all the drugs legalized...blah...blah...blah..."

I don't do it because, 1) it's not true; 2) where does it get us in terms of a rational discussion.

I close by merely pointing out that while the liberal aspects of our media celebrate how better the areas where they tend to live are better than the areas they tend not to live, there are plently of Americans who don't agree (red staters I suppose, of which I personally am not a member, and my home state is split on nearly 50/50). These Americans who are less "cosmopolitan" enjoy their lives to their definitions just as much as the others do.

I could go on about this, but I don't know that it would matter to you.


A. Hamilton

[bezdomni]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 02:54 PM
brilliant post my lad, anyway red-state america has a lto of buisness and farms and such. it has the major texan cities liek dallas and houston, it has florida with disney world and maimi.

also the reason those places lean democrat is usually a large urban poor population.

anyway im off to services
Texas used to be a "blue state", and the large cities in Houston are filled with more "democrats" than "republicans".

In fact, Houston and Austin are pretty renound for their liberal atmospheres (in comparison to the rest of Texas). Most republicans in Houston are the oil tycoons and such.

The reason for this is:
a) educated, urban population
b) several universities.

In Houston; there's University of Houston, Rice University and a lot of small liberal arts schools. In Austin; there's University of Texas and a BUNCH of small liberal arts schools (ie, southwestern university).

Anyway, Texas is a piss poor place. The only decent spots are the big cities, and even still they suck. The average SAT score in Texas is substantially lower than that of the rest of the country, the literacy rate in Texas is lower than the rest of the country, Texans have less access to computers than those in the rest of the country, infant mortality rates are higher in Texas (especially among ethnic minorities) than say...Massachusetts.

The south sucks.

Oh yeah, I have to add that public transportation here SUCKS. I just remembered this cos I gotta take the bus into town today and deal with the strange times that the busses run and the arbitrary price settings. It's always a headache. No matter how well you think you know the (lack of) public transportation in Houston, you get tricked every time.

[Krypto-Communist]

I don't really have time to pick apart everybody's response since I have to go to work soon. The point that I was making is that, "what makes America great" is the left.

When the right-wing stand up on TV or write on their blogs talking about how wonderful the country is, they fail to realize that "what makes America great" is it's left-leaning culture.

The music, the movies, the art, the universities, the best places to live, the cities, etc....all occur in the left-leaning circles.

But it's alwasy the right-wing who denounce people who talk bad about the USA. Then, when they bring up all of the wonderful things this country has to offer, it's because of advances and struggles fought for by the left-wing...

If you look at any research that studies the best and worst states to live in, the best places to live in are the blue-states and the worst places to live in are the red-states.

I just find that funny when right-wingers talk about "us lefties hating America" and then they bring up all of the wonderful things it has to offer, it's usually left-wing oriented.

I find that rather funny.

[t_wolves_fan]

Mr. Hamilton beat me to it, but your fatal flaw is that you think everyone should be the same.

While I am a moderate Republican suburbanite, I appreciate that urban areas will differ from suburban areas which will differ from rural areas and I'm happy about that.

Your complaints about the South are understandable but pointless. The people you decry wear your scorn as a badge of honor. They are perfectly happy with their religion-based lifestyle which seems incomphrensible to you. Faith and family matter more to them than do art, music, or intellectual curiosity.

Hey, whatever floats their boat. That would be the specific reason the Founders, brilliant as they were, advocated what is known as federalism. You should study it because it's sheer brilliance.

[VonClausewitz]

Tobacco fucking sucks, Whiskey is the choice for wife-beaters, and country music fucking sucks!

You really thought that out didn't you ?. I mean really, why do Americans insist on butchering the English language. A good whiskey is also not the sole preserve of wife-beaters. :P


The left is far more smarter, better looking, musically and artistically talented, than you will ever be!

So tell me, one more time, why are you not the ruling majority when it comes to all things important ? :blush:

[Alexander Hamilton]

The left is far more smarter, better looking, musically and artistically talented, than you will ever be!

Which, of course, is why "the left" should make all the political decisions. Hey apathy, you'd do well designing sound bite commercials for our political process.

A.H.

[colonelguppy]

Tobacco fucking sucks, Whiskey is the choice for wife-beaters, and country music fucking sucks!

yes, one of the better critiques of southern culture i've ever heard. :rolleyes:

but seriously country for the most part does suck, although blue grass is good.

[theraven]

Originally posted by SovietPants+Oct 2 2006, 03:39 PM--> (SovietPants @ Oct 2 2006, 03:39 PM)
[email protected] 2 2006, 02:54 PM
brilliant post my lad, anyway red-state america has a lto of buisness and farms and such. it has the major texan cities liek dallas and houston, it has florida with disney world and maimi.

also the reason those places lean democrat is usually a large urban poor population.

anyway im off to services
Texas used to be a "blue state", and the large cities in Houston are filled with more "democrats" than "republicans".

In fact, Houston and Austin are pretty renound for their liberal atmospheres (in comparison to the rest of Texas). Most republicans in Houston are the oil tycoons and such.

The reason for this is:
a) educated, urban population
b) several universities.

In Houston; there's University of Houston, Rice University and a lot of small liberal arts schools. In Austin; there's University of Texas and a BUNCH of small liberal arts schools (ie, southwestern university).

Anyway, Texas is a piss poor place. The only decent spots are the big cities, and even still they suck. The average SAT score in Texas is substantially lower than that of the rest of the country, the literacy rate in Texas is lower than the rest of the country, Texans have less access to computers than those in the rest of the country, infant mortality rates are higher in Texas (especially among ethnic minorities) than say...Massachusetts.

The south sucks.

Oh yeah, I have to add that public transportation here SUCKS. I just remembered this cos I gotta take the bus into town today and deal with the strange times that the busses run and the arbitrary price settings. It's always a headache. No matter how well you think you know the (lack of) public transportation in Houston, you get tricked every time. [/b]

Texas used to be a "blue state", and the large cities in Houston are filled with more "democrats" than "republicans".

In fact, Houston and Austin are pretty renound for their liberal atmospheres (in comparison to the rest of Texas). Most republicans in Houston are the oil tycoons and such.

The reason for this is:
a) educated, urban population
b) several universities.

In Houston; there's University of Houston, Rice University and a lot of small liberal arts schools. In Austin; there's University of Texas and a BUNCH of small liberal arts schools (ie, southwestern university).

Anyway, Texas is a piss poor place. The only decent spots are the big cities, and even still they suck. The average SAT score in Texas is substantially lower than that of the rest of the country, the literacy rate in Texas is lower than the rest of the country, Texans have less access to computers than those in the rest of the country, infant mortality rates are higher in Texas (especially among ethnic minorities) than say...Massachusetts.

The south sucks.

Oh yeah, I have to add that public transportation here SUCKS. I just remembered this cos I gotta take the bus into town today and deal with the strange times that the busses run and the arbitrary price settings. It's always a headache. No matter how well you think you know the (lack of) public transportation in Houston, you get tricked every time.

texas was a "blue state" when dems were conservtive, austin is liberal, houston is not (though I am sure its more liberal then the rest of the state), texas has a lot of poor people and a lto of immirgants, so naturally its going to have lower SAT's and lesss compute raccess. and public transport sucks in most major citise except NYC, boston and DC

[Patchd]

So tell me, one more time, why are you not the ruling majority when it comes to all things important ?

Well seeing as we are both from England, have you forgotten that we have a Labour government in power?

[VonClausewitz]

Well seeing as we are both from England, have you forgotten that we have a Labour government in power?

C'mon, there really isn't much more than half an inch between this 'new labour' and what the tories stand for nowadays. If an actual leftist government - and not a bunch of PC Liberalists - got into power in Britain, it'd scare the living shit out of a lot of people.

[Krypto-Communist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 03:18 PM
no there are plenty of places in red states to live which are nice, which is of course true for blue states as well. i personally prefer living in texas, although in the most liberal city there (austin). anywho i don't really let politics get in the way of how nice a place is, enless ther eis high taxes or other factors which cause the cost of living to be raised.
Of course there are nice areas in the red states, but it seems like that the best places to live in and be educated in tend to be in the liberal areas of the country.

And yeah, I am going to let politics get in the way of how a nice a place is or whether or not I would want to live there.

I'm sure as hell not going to be living in Texas or Florida anytime soon. Not because of the wretched landscape but because of their right-leaning politics.

Why would a communist or some other far-lefty want to live in a place that is predominantly right-wing?

It's true, you'll find those types of people in the cities as well but I'll take that chance.



However, there is no such thing as the American education system.

You know what I meant, smartass. (kidding)

Whenever I get flamed on a far-right political board, those people always bring up how well we have it here and they always bring up the fact that we have the best universities in the world and that people from all over the world enroll in them.

But on ther other hand, they condemn those places as "anti-American" and "left-wing cesspools".

Why is that?

[Hool]

Originally posted by Krypto-[email protected] 2 2006, 02:32 PM
i want the resident patriots to respond to this as well which is why I decided to post it in this forum.

whenever debating a patirotic american, they always lament about how "wonderful the country is", our 'education system', natural wonders, etc....

But!!!

Ever notice that the best places to live in America, the best places to receive a K-12 education, the best standards of living, best community life, church attendance is the lowest, most diversity, vacation hot-spots, musueums where all the good music comes from (Seattle, California, New England, Chicago)....etc.

Happens to be all found in the primarily LEFT-LEANING areas of the country?

All of the universities that are renown for their academics are criticized by lunatic-right-wingers as "far left havens for America haters" or "liberal indoctrincation camps".

The blue-states are all of the states that tend to be the wealthiest, the smartest, and are ranked as the "best places to live in".

Anybody ever notice this?

What the fuck do the red-states like Florida, Alabama, Kentuckey, Idaho, Montana, have to offer?

The south may have New Orleans but that is a primarily left-leaning city inthe South!
And I doubt the Mississippi Delta Blues artists would have a "Blues ARtists for Bush" bumper sticker on their car.

Tobacco fucking sucks, Whiskey is the choice for wife-beaters, and country music fucking sucks!

Face it right-wing conservative American assholes!

The left is far more smarter, better looking, musically and artistically talented, than you will ever be!
K-12 education? Obviously you don't come from a blue state. I live in Illinois and all the tax money my town pays goes to pay for the fucksticks of Chicago. Best standard of living and community life as in East St. Louis? Thanks, i'll pass. As for music, who decreed you the grand judge of what music is good; take your taste and shove it.

The key in the college rant is "far right" which encompasses all of two people. Like there's no crazy liberals, right?

"The left is far more smarter" *sigh*

[BreadBros]

Even districts can be different than one another. In an example of how, as you mention, west coast states are more liberal, notice that Oakland, near San Francisco, instituted a required high school course on African Americans. ALL students must take this class. The overall purpose is to cause young people to grow up more "leftist", as the curriculum is geared toward that direction.

Is it really to make people grow up "leftist"? Or is it merely an attempt to educate people on a very important part of American history? African-Americans sure did influence American history quite a bit, with, you know, having a large part in the rationale for the Civil War, the whole civil rights thing, etc. This smacks me of the type of stuff people say when they complain that the news is only showing the bad side of the Iraqi conflict, instead of reporting on how American soldiers passed out some candy or stopped a crime here or there or something. Obviously these things are integral to world changes. It seems more like conservatives complaining when reality flies in the face of their views and makes them look bad and somehow "brainwashes" kids into "leftists".


I can't disagree with you on the overall concept of what you say, but that has nothing to do with patriotism. It's simply a matter of choice, ratified by the political process we enjoy. The fact that these areas CAN choose the lifestyle they wish is not some slap in the face to American patriotism, but one of the examples of what we are patriotic about.

I dont doubt that thats your own view on patriotism and the US, but it certainly is not that of the rest of conservatives in the US. If patriotism is about areas choosing their own lifestyle then why is the conservative movement so worked up about a constitutional ban on gay marriage that would explicity DENY the right of areas to choose the lifestyle they wish. The same goes for drug legalization and a plethora of other issues.

[ZX3]

The "blue" areas of the USA tend to be the nicest areas of the country DESPITE them being "blue" areas.

And besides, if it is true, why are communists celebrating it? You guys are supposed to defend the "common man," found in the "red" areas, not the wealthy elites of the "blue."

[Clutch]

The left is far more smarter, better looking, musically and artistically talented, than you will ever be!

Quoted for thruth.

BTW: How is it that rev-left seems to attract, of all right wing groups, republicans?

[Matty_UK]

*pukes*

Please people, no-one comes to these forums for inane democrat vs republican debates. We have almost every other forum on the net for that.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 11:09 AM
You guys are supposed to defend the "common man," found in the "red" areas, not the wealthy elites of the "blue."
Therein lies the catch.

They're smarter than all the other "average joes" who haven't thrown off the yoke of brainwashing to realize their "class consciousness". So, as representatives of these average joes, they're going to make the great sacrifice of crushing their spirit with a dictatorship of the proletariat. Which the average joes will run, except not really, until they develop class consciousness.

Or...uh...something like that.

[colonelguppy]

The left is far more smarter, better looking, musically and artistically talented, than you will ever be!

Quoted for thruth.


while the "smarter" is really up for debate, the better looking (i see no correlation) and musically talented (look at trash bands like nofx and pretty much every other punk band) is completely baseless.

[BreadBros]

They're smarter than all the other "average joes" who haven't thrown off the yoke of brainwashing to realize their "class consciousness". So, as representatives of these average joes, they're going to make the great sacrifice of crushing their spirit with a dictatorship of the proletariat. Which the average joes will run, except not really, until they develop class consciousness.

Or...uh...something like that.

Perhaps a haphazard summation of Leninism. When Marx talked about the proletariat, he was referring to class-conscious workers who as a class were the product of capitalism itself, which included the subversion of national and ethnic divisions by global production, the subversion of religion by a material world etc. The world is still barely in the formative processes of "late capitalism" and as such there are few class-conscious workers anywhere. According to Marx they will fight as a class themselves, no representatives needed.

I'd also like to point out that the phenomenon of upper-class individuals leading lower-class ones politically is one endemic to all forms of bourgeois politics. Look no further than Ann Coulter. Millions of average middle-class individuals, suburbanites from middle America, completely agreeing with Coulter's rants against the "secular-progressive agenda", despite the fact that she herself lives in downtown Manhattan, is incredibly wealthy, and has a very elitist palette when it comes to consumer goods. So much in common :rolleyes: .

[bezdomni]

texas was a "blue state" when dems were conservtive

Also before the senate began to gerrymander the districts to keep Texas a mostly republican state, and before all of the "super business friendly" legislation in the 70s.

Anyway, Texas used to be part of Mexico.


austin is liberal,
Notoriously so.


houston is not (though I am sure its more liberal then the rest of the state)
Most people who actually live in the urban area of Houston vote democrat. It is only the rural areas that vote heavily republican (not that there is really a difference). I live in Houston, and have little problem finding other communists or anarchists in the area. Hell, there is even a radical leftist bookstore/cooperative in Houston. While it isn't as left as say...Boston or NYC, it is more left than you'd expect.



texas has a lot of poor people and a lto of immirgants, so naturally its going to have lower SAT's and lesss compute raccess.
Land of opporunity, eh?


and public transport sucks in most major citise except NYC, boston and DC
Most major US cities. yes.

I've heard San Fransisco isn't bad.

Providence is really well laid-out too. You can get anywhere in that city. I love it.

[Hool]

The fact that someone is hispanic immigrant and does bad on tests isn't their fault. Look at most of latin america and the only decent schools are private ones that only the rich can afford. So if you take people out of a country where they were normally farmers, and put them in a country where education is a requirement until you're 17 (in my state at aleast) then it's only logical that they aren't going to score a 36 on their ACT.

[Capitalist Lawyer]

Where the fuck is the evidence here?

There does seem to be some truth to it, but atleast provide evidence for your claims.

[EwokUtopia]

Im Canadian...our Conservative areas are more progressive than your Liberal ones.

Naw, Im romanticizing about a country that has a huge plate of shit to deal with (Especially with our Bush-licking Prime Minister now) but I still can recieve a huge amount of culture shock when I go southways. For instance, last time I was in Amerika, I was immediately confronted with a slew of Bush/Cheney billboards. You yanks seem to have the whole billboard thing figured out, I mean, on top of having tonnes of political billboards (from Bush to anti-immigration to pro-life), you errect those aesthetically brutal adverts on poles that go up hundreds of meters so that anybody driving in a highway within a 20 mile radius of a McDonalds will know exactly where it is. This is frightening to the Canadian mindset, you have constant distractions and ads everywhere you go, whereas driving on the highway up here, the billboards are nowhere near as numerous and as blatant and elevated and politically charged (I have never seen a left leaning billboard, we know better).

Also, I seem to remember visiting a gas station in Michegan that had around 3 things to sell, and they were Gasoline, Liqour and Guns.....tonnes and tonnes of Guns. Ive never seen so many guns as I have at an American Gas station, and that really freaked me out. I wasnt prepared to see that.

America seems to be a place ran on quantity rather than quality. Everything is ridiculously bigger and crappier than its Canadian counterparts. For one example which I probably shouldnt put on a leftist website, but I will because it illustrates my point quite well: McDonalds Fries. In Canada, a Supersized fries is about the size of my hand, and, admittedly, it tastes rather good, the fries are moist and flavourful. Now a few years back, I went to an American Mcdonalds, and I ordered some supersized fries. Firstly, I was struck by how big they were, they were bigger than my face, about the size of a steering wheel, they I began to eat them, and I think I made it to about 5 fries because the damned things tasted like cardboard with a bit of potato flavouring and oodles of grease to lubricate the throat and make swallowing that shit possible. This is just one example, your highways and cars are much bigger as well as all of your consumer products, but theres one thing that I dont know if you have noticed; they suck.

Its been a few years since the last time I went to the states (and even then it was Boston) and I can only guess at how bad its become since 2004. I went to New York on a class trip way back when I was in grade 11, and some fucking army bozo's tried to recruit me and a bunch of people on my trip!

WTF is with your country??

I think I am going to wait untill at least W is no more untill the next time I make the journey down to Mordor.

Note- I have noticed that "Liberal" is seen by most conservative Americans to be a word that is synonymous with radical leftist abortionists who want to destroy America and give the terrorists more power. Up here, it is the name of our centre-right party, a party that sucks balls to be sure, but liberal does not bear the same connentations here that it does there. Oh, and our liberals are red and our conservatives are blue, that really confuses us about your political system. But liberals are just right wing bastards in the end. Just a speck above the conservative right wing bastards.

[bezdomni]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 8 2006, 07:14 PM
Where the fuck is the evidence here?

There does seem to be some truth to it, but atleast provide evidence for your claims.
Who is that directed to?

[Hool]

Originally posted by SovietPants+Oct 8 2006, 07:28 PM--> (SovietPants @ Oct 8 2006, 07:28 PM)
Capitalist [email protected] 8 2006, 07:14 PM
Where the fuck is the evidence here?

There does seem to be some truth to it, but atleast provide evidence for your claims.
Who is that directed to? [/b]
Pretty sure to me, i'll go attempt to find something.

[Lenin's Law]

Originally posted by Alexander [email protected] 2 2006, 03:22 PM
Here you are demonstating that which people here at Revolutionaryleft.com constantly accuse cappies on the O.I. board to be, silly preachers. You're just being a commie one, distilling America down to rediculous cultural stereotypes.

I disagree. I see nothing in here that is "Communist"; in fact, you could go to many liberal/Democratic forums and pretty much get exactly the same critique.
I think the original poster means well, but unfortunately he is sounding more like a liberal than a revolutionary.

We must remember not to try to imitate elitist liberals and put our noses down at workers in the "red" (and red and blue states are basically meaningless; they only matter if you think that difference between the Democrats and the Republicans are a big difference, which hardly any revolutionary believes) states since after all the workers in the South are far more in need of radical agitation and organizing than probably anywhere else.

The real difference here is unions and urban areas. Both lead to more class-conscious workers. The labor movement in the US generally but in the "red" states in particular are being beaten down completely. Workers in the "red" states take more government "welfare" and assistance than their "blue" cousins. They are working longer hours with fewer benefits and declining real income.

But with no real labor movement, no active political force educating the workers and showing to them their true class interests they are left with nothing except: superstition. Religous worship. That is what the people have turned to and it isn't because of "spiritual revival" but because of material conditions causing workers to become more desperate for "answers" for ways to explain life events and give them solutions and aren't getting them from the current political environment. In other words the political vacuum is being filled with religous fundamentalism, but this may not always be so.

That is pretty much the case all over America, perhaps more excacerbated and obvious in the "red" areas than the "blue" (again, because of the absence of unions and worker-oriented organizations) but nonetheless, essentially the same. The point is, don't go acting like Hollywood liberals talking about how much better we are, good looking, smarter, you're dumber nonsense; that's exactly how the liberals treat workers when they don't vote the way they want to: assume they are dumber and you are smarter.

Instead, work to change the situation by patiently and consistenly pointing the workers to their class interests and raising their consciousness. Material events will manifest to create a situation where "radical" and leftist ideas that were once shunned, become embraced. There is strong opportunity for activists that want to organize workers and are not too busy demeaning them.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Lenin's Law:

You missed the point of my response. Since I've been at this forum, I have been complimented on my asking pointed questions that lead to a discussion, as opposed to silly statements that lead to a back and forth debate w/out substance or purpose.

You wrote "I see nothing here that is Communist", and you are right. I saw nothing in his post that was "communist" either. But if you re-read the quote of mine that you posted, I didn't say his POST was communist, I said HE was communist. And so he is, by his very name, Krypto-Communist. As he is a regular member, and not restricted, HE MUST BE A COMMUNIST, BY THE RULES OF THE BOARD. (That is, he MUST believe in the disintigration of the capitalist society, and SOME revolutionary form of response to that capitalism.)

So he's a commie. And, if you read his post, he was going off on a rant, or preaching if you will.

His comment served no basis for any real inquiry.

My comment that you quoted stands: He's doing exactly what RevolutionaryLeft.com doesn't like people doing here; he just happens to be a commie doing it.


A. Hamilton