Chavez Says He Has White House Informant

[Kamraten]

Chavez Says He Has White House Informant

Venezuela leader Chavez says White House informant has warned him about plots against him
CARACAS, Venezuela, Oct. 2, 2006
By CHRISTOPHER TOOTHAKER Associated Press Writer

(AP) Venezuela President Hugo Chavez said Sunday he has received warnings from within the White House that the Bush administration is plotting to assassinate him or topple his left-leaning government.

Citing what he said were warnings from an alleged White House informant, Chavez told thousands of supporters at a campaign rally that President Bush has ordered him to be killed before he leaves office in 2008.

Bush "has said that before he goes, Hugo Chavez shouldn't be the president of Venezuela," Chavez told the crowd. "The president of the United States has said it, especially in recent days. What he doesn't know is that I have friends in the White House."

The Venezuelan leader has claimed before that the U.S. government is out to kill him _ allegations that U.S. officials deny.

The latest accusation came a day after he alleged that there had been a recent attempt to assassinate him and said those responsible had since fled to neighboring Colombia.

Chavez appeared to link the alleged plot to his main rival in upcoming presidential elections, Gov. Manuel Rosales of Zulia state, claiming that he is in constant danger from opponents seeking to get rid of him.

He said a sniper had waited with a long-range gun and planned to shoot him after he debarked a helicopter, he said. He did not elaborate further on the alleged plot.

Chavez vowed to win the Dec. 3 vote and continue governing this South American nation until 2021. "Fourteen more years, that's what's coming," Chavez said.

Venezuela's Constitution allows a president to be re-elected only once in immediate succession. If Chavez wins a second six-year term in December, he wouldn't be able to run again in 2012 _ without a legal change.

Chavez has floated the possibility of changing Venezuela's constitution to allow indefinite re-election.

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[RedAnarchist]

That article sounds like shit-stirring to me. If he has an informant in the White House, why would he publicly admit it?

[CheRev]

Sounds like someones learned from the bad guys how to win an election: fear-mongering. I´d rather he won it through results on the ground in Venezuela.

Although, I do agree that he´s is probably on someones hitlist!

[OneBrickOneVoice]

wait, what? Why would he change the term to 14 years? All the neocon capitalists will be yelling "dictator!" at this

[Pirate Utopian]

it would be funny if they really start looking for an informant

[Whitten]

We practice indefinate re-elections in the UK. We dont have any problems because the people usually get to pissed off with them after 3 terms.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 03:10 PM
wait, what? Why would he change the term to 14 years? All the neocon capitalists will be yelling "dictator!" at this
No, he means he'll stand in the next again elections and so on. There was apparently an attempt on Chavez yesterday. I think it's great to think he does have a whitehouse informant, after all the CIA has several in the Venezuelan bueraucracy.

[McLeft]

He has to change the constitution to allow him to run indefinitely, pretty much like in the "parliamentary democracies" of Europe. He's got a majority in the Assebly so any bill will pass without a problem.

[Kamraten]

Or he just wants to cause some paranoia in the white house, hoping that they will start shooting each others.

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

while the stuff about plots to asassinate him are probably true

I have doubts that he has an informant in the white house, if he did he wouldn't publicly announce it... He's probably just trying to create some turmoil..

[rouchambeau]

Hahahah. Oh Chavez...

[Rawthentic]

I think that Chavez is too arrogant. He has to learn when to keep his mouth shut, and talk at stragetic positions and times, like Fidel Castro. Chavez just spits out a shitload of rhetoric, mainly, like other comrades said, to rally people to his side.

[Tekun]

^The thing is...that Chavez is not Fidel, not even close
Fidel openly declared Cuba "socialist," and in certain aspects Cuba is socialist
Chavez has not and it doesn't appear that he's interested in transforming Venezuela into a socialist country, he's just anti-imperialist and anti-US, so he has alot to talk about considering the situation
That's why Im still waiting (and prolly gonna be left waiting) for the empowerement of Venezuelan workers

Regarding the White House informant, I doubt it
He might have a journalist that keeps him informed about publicly yet low key developments within the beltway, but I think he's bluffing
If he did have an informant, he would of never told, and the coup in 02 wouldn't have taken place
Unless of course this informant is a substitute that Bush recently appointed, which I think he's not, seeing how the current US admin is the same since 01

[Guerrilla22]

I wonder who the informant is? Condoleeza Rice?

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 03:01 AM
^The thing is...that Chavez is not Fidel, not even close
Chavez has not and it doesn't appear that he's interested in transforming Venezuela into a socialist country, he's just anti-imperialist and anti-US, so he has alot to talk about considering the situation
That's why Im still waiting (and prolly gonna be left waiting) for the empowerement of Venezuelan workers


Wait is this the same chavez who talks about socialism! The only world leader doing so in a significant way just now. The same chavez that quotes marx, lenin and trotsky on a regular basis and meets with marxist writers and groups? Is this the same chavez who is at the head of a movment that is built around workers, peasants, and neighbourhood assembliles (bolivarian circles).

[Guerrilla22]

There's nothing like having a petro cash cow to keep your citizens happy. The government of Kuwait does the exacxt same thing with its oil money, but yet I havent't seen to many people on here discussing the great revolution in Kuwait.

[Cheung Mo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 07:22 PM
There's nothing like having a petro cash cow to keep your citizens happy. The government of Kuwait does the exacxt same thing with its oil money, but yet I havent't seen to many people on here discussing the great revolution in Kuwait.
You mean where women were not permitted to vote until the past copuple of years, Kuwaiti-born children of non-citizens are not allowed to touch the welv and non-Muslims are persecuted?

Fuck no.

Furthermore, the Kuwaiti govenrment is so deeply in Washington's pocket that they would re-enact Hitler's final solution if Bush asked them nicely enough to.

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by Cheung Mo+Oct 4 2006, 07:31 PM--> (Cheung Mo @ Oct 4 2006, 07:31 PM)
[email protected] 4 2006, 07:22 PM
There's nothing like having a petro cash cow to keep your citizens happy. The government of Kuwait does the exacxt same thing with its oil money, but yet I havent't seen to many people on here discussing the great revolution in Kuwait.
You mean where women were not permitted to vote until the past copuple of years, Kuwaiti-born children of non-citizens are not allowed to touch the welv and non-Muslims are persecuted?

Fuck no.

Furthermore, the Kuwaiti govenrment is so deeply in Washington's pocket that they would re-enact Hitler's final solution if Bush asked them nicely enough to. [/b]
Exactly my point. Using oil money to provide various social programs doesn't equal socialism.

[Tekun]

Originally posted by bolshevik butcher+Oct 4 2006, 07:13 PM--> (bolshevik butcher @ Oct 4 2006, 07:13 PM)
[email protected] 3 2006, 03:01 AM
^The thing is...that Chavez is not Fidel, not even close
Chavez has not and it doesn't appear that he's interested in transforming Venezuela into a socialist country, he's just anti-imperialist and anti-US, so he has alot to talk about considering the situation
That's why Im still waiting (and prolly gonna be left waiting) for the empowerement of Venezuelan workers


Wait is this the same chavez who talks about socialism! The only world leader doing so in a significant way just now. The same chavez that quotes marx, lenin and trotsky on a regular basis and meets with marxist writers and groups? Is this the same chavez who is at the head of a movment that is built around workers, peasants, and neighbourhood assembliles (bolivarian circles). [/b]
Thing is...u can talk all u want, u can promote all u want, u can scream socialism all u want, but the fact is that Venezuela under Chavez is far from accepting or transforming into a socialist nation
I could quote Malcolm X, that doesn't mean I wanna become Muslim
Chavez uses socialism as a way of promoting his anti-imperialist agenda, and he has a right to
But I've yet to see real change and a move towards the empowerement of workers
Same ol same ol
Although I agree about the Bolivarian circles, which in the future may help spread the revolution
I don't see real worker's power, all I see is Chavez promoting "socialism," denouncing imperialism/America, and yet working in the same system that oppresses so many in his country
As of right now, Chavez is more interested in creating a rep for himself around the word than in helping create a revolutionary situation that worker's could take advantage of

What'd you gonna say if Chavez is defeated in the upcoming elections? Chavez is this, Chavez that
That's why we should focus more on the Bolivarian circles, than in Chavez as a politician
Kuz that's what he is, a politician
I wanna see less Chavez, and more Bolivarian circles

[Janus]

If he has an informant in the White House, why would he publicly admit it?
I don't think he would. I'm sure that since he figured that anything that came out of his mouth would be interpreted as a threat by the US, why not make a real one and sit back and watch. :lol:

[BreadBros]

Originally posted by Guerrilla22+Oct 4 2006, 07:36 PM--> (Guerrilla22 @ Oct 4 2006, 07:36 PM)
Originally posted by Cheung [email protected] 4 2006, 07:31 PM

[email protected] 4 2006, 07:22 PM
There's nothing like having a petro cash cow to keep your citizens happy. The government of Kuwait does the exacxt same thing with its oil money, but yet I havent't seen to many people on here discussing the great revolution in Kuwait.
You mean where women were not permitted to vote until the past copuple of years, Kuwaiti-born children of non-citizens are not allowed to touch the welv and non-Muslims are persecuted?

Fuck no.

Furthermore, the Kuwaiti govenrment is so deeply in Washington's pocket that they would re-enact Hitler's final solution if Bush asked them nicely enough to.
Exactly my point. Using oil money to provide various social programs doesn't equal socialism. [/b]
No it doesnt, but even such programs are a far step above the neoliberal economics of most other Latin American countries. Keep in mind Mexico also has vast reserves of oil, but you dont see the same programs. Chavez has also been one of the few world leaders calling the United States out on imperialism and challenging the status quo.

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by BreadBros+Oct 5 2006, 12:53 AM--> (BreadBros @ Oct 5 2006, 12:53 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by Cheung [email protected] 4 2006, 07:31 PM

[email protected] 4 2006, 07:22 PM
There's nothing like having a petro cash cow to keep your citizens happy. The government of Kuwait does the exacxt same thing with its oil money, but yet I havent't seen to many people on here discussing the great revolution in Kuwait.
You mean where women were not permitted to vote until the past copuple of years, Kuwaiti-born children of non-citizens are not allowed to touch the welv and non-Muslims are persecuted?

Fuck no.

Furthermore, the Kuwaiti govenrment is so deeply in Washington's pocket that they would re-enact Hitler's final solution if Bush asked them nicely enough to.
Exactly my point. Using oil money to provide various social programs doesn't equal socialism.
No it doesnt, but even such programs are a far step above the neoliberal economics of most other Latin American countries. Keep in mind Mexico also has vast reserves of oil, but you dont see the same programs. Chavez has also been one of the few world leaders calling the United States out on imperialism and challenging the status quo. [/b]
Maybe so, I'm not attacking Chavez's political stance, nor creating social programs with oil money, however Venezuela will have to depend on such populism forever, unless steps towards actual socialism are taken, which so far we haven't seen from Chavez, nor does it seem he wants to move in towards socialism. Cuba's educational and healthcare systems are light years ahead of Venezuela, due to socialism.