What are we doing?

[Avtomatov]

Why is there not schools for revolutionaries? Why are we sitting here argueing with cappies? Where can I train to be a revolutionary? Why do we waste money on indulgence, when we could be spending it on revolution? Why are we wasting our time in the first world? Why is there no revolutions in the third world?

EDIT: There is what, 10 000 members in the rcp, imagine if they were all fighting in colombia? What would we accomplish?

[Free Left]

Where can I train to be a revolutionary?

On the streets or in the Third World.



Why do we waste money on indulgence, when we could be spending it on revolution?

Damnit, you are right. I am going to sell all my wordly possesions and give the proceeds to whateer ramshackle leftist group I can find.


Why are we wasting our time in the first world? Why is there no revolutions in the third world?

Cos you are sitting on your ass in the first world.

[Avtomatov]

Well what do you do to help?

[RevMARKSman]

Why are we sitting here argueing with cappies?

If the cappies turned out to be right all along, wouldn't you like to know? :blink:


EDIT: There is what, 10 000 members in the rcp, imagine if they were all fighting in colombia? What would we accomplish?

Material conditions anyone?

[Dyst]

If the cappies turned out to be right all along, wouldn't you like to know?

Yeah.... I don't expect that to happen anytime soon. The failure of capitalism is proven to me every day.

[Avtomatov]

shes just making excuses for hanging out on a message board all day. I meen material conditions? The material conditions are just right in the third world.

As for me, Ive realized i should spend all my time studying marxism-leninism, and writing my books. When im done that i plan to take action.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Yeah.... I don't expect that to happen anytime soon. The failure of capitalism is proven to me every day.
How so?


I meen material conditions? The material conditions are just right in the third world.
That's a lie, and it just goes to show how uneducated you are on Marxism.

[Avtomatov]

Maybe im not one of those idiot "orthodox marxists", maybe I am a marxist-leninist.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 09:36 PM
Maybe im not one of those idiot "orthodox marxists", maybe I think a revolution can happen in an unindustrialized country.
Dude, your grasp of marxism is tenuous at best. The material conditions for revolution were and are set as they are for a very good reason.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 04:21 PM
As for me, Ive realized i should spend all my time studying marxism-leninism, and writing my books. When im done that i plan to take action.
You won't accomplish much doing that.

[thisguyisatotaljerk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 08:08 PM
Why is there not schools for revolutionaries? Why are we sitting here argueing with cappies? Where can I train to be a revolutionary? Why do we waste money on indulgence, when we could be spending it on revolution? Why are we wasting our time in the first world? Why is there no revolutions in the third world?

EDIT: There is what, 10 000 members in the rcp, imagine if they were all fighting in colombia? What would we accomplish?
There are no schools for revolutionaries because the process is self-explanatory. You go to a really shitty third world country. Next, be sure to buy, (or better, steal) an AK-47. Smoke some weed whilst opening fire now and again against defenceless civilians. Conduct show trials. Give an interview to the odd journalist making sure to inject the phrase 'fighting for the revolution man' now and again into your innane ramblings. Make sure you die young - martyred by some big-ass army. Old people don't look so good on t-shirts.

[BobKKKindle$]

Dude, your grasp of marxism is tenuous at best. The material conditions for revolution were and are set as they are for a very good reason

I dont think thats very fair.

I suggest that you read Lenin's State and Revolution sometime, I think it will alter your perspective on how revolutions occur and the concept of revolutionary matertial conditions. In the 21st century, the primary role of the state is to function as a mediator of class relations to ensure that the material conditions which would secure the overthrow of the ruling class do not occur.

The forms of mediation can range from direct coercion, such as the use of the armed services and police to prevent successful industrial action, or they can be less tangible, such as the use of a welfare state and legislation to ensure a basic standard of living whilst maintaining the power and propety structures that are so fundamental to the continued existance of classes. And ocassionally, the State will seek to divert the energies of the worker from the class antagonism to the nation antagonism by going to war.

Furthermore, Marx wrote his original hypothesis on revolution and material conditions in the period before Capitalism had ascended to imperialism (the export of capital and the establishement of capitalist relations of production on a global scale) and thus he believed that in the most developed countries, the disparity betweeb rich and poor would grow to such an extent, that the poor would revolt. However, imperialism negates this hypothesis. We must now look to the third world, which occupies the role of proletariat in this new international capitalist system, to carry through the revolution, because even the most depraved worker of the first world is a net exploiter. You would surely not forment the overthrow of capitalism by appealing to the Capitalist would you? The new application of material conditions that I favour is that the destruction wrought by the drive to accumulate Capital (military and politicalimperialism) will function as a means to establish Socialist revolutions, not the original marxist analysis.

[t_wolves_fan]

Because mom and dad set the curfew at 9 PM.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 09:21 PM
As for me, Ive realized i should spend all my time studying marxism-leninism, and writing my books. When im done that i plan to take action.
It'll be funny when you complain that you cannot find a job with those skills.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by patton+Oct 2 2006, 03:27 PM--> (patton @ Oct 2 2006, 03:27 PM)
[email protected] 1 2006, 08:08 PM
Why is there not schools for revolutionaries? Why are we sitting here argueing with cappies? Where can I train to be a revolutionary? Why do we waste money on indulgence, when we could be spending it on revolution? Why are we wasting our time in the first world? Why is there no revolutions in the third world?

EDIT: There is what, 10 000 members in the rcp, imagine if they were all fighting in colombia? What would we accomplish?
None you guys on these forums has a JOB therefore you cant buy plane tickets anywhere. [/b]
Yes, none of the working class have jobs :rolleyes: Fuck off, trolling **** that you are.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by Jazzratt+Oct 2 2006, 07:34 PM--> (Jazzratt @ Oct 2 2006, 07:34 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 03:27 PM

[email protected] 1 2006, 08:08 PM
Why is there not schools for revolutionaries? Why are we sitting here argueing with cappies? Where can I train to be a revolutionary? Why do we waste money on indulgence, when we could be spending it on revolution? Why are we wasting our time in the first world? Why is there no revolutions in the third world?

EDIT: There is what, 10 000 members in the rcp, imagine if they were all fighting in colombia? What would we accomplish?
None you guys on these forums has a JOB therefore you cant buy plane tickets anywhere.
Yes, none of the working class have jobs :rolleyes: Fuck off, trolling **** that you are. [/b]
Are you happy being working class?

You seem to wear it as some kind of award of achievement, as if it's a difficult accomplishment.

[RevolutionaryMarxist]

Originally posted by t_wolves_fan+Oct 2 2006, 08:39 PM--> (t_wolves_fan @ Oct 2 2006, 08:39 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 03:27 PM

[email protected] 1 2006, 08:08 PM
Why is there not schools for revolutionaries? Why are we sitting here argueing with cappies? Where can I train to be a revolutionary? Why do we waste money on indulgence, when we could be spending it on revolution? Why are we wasting our time in the first world? Why is there no revolutions in the third world?

EDIT: There is what, 10 000 members in the rcp, imagine if they were all fighting in colombia? What would we accomplish?
None you guys on these forums has a JOB therefore you cant buy plane tickets anywhere.
Yes, none of the working class have jobs :rolleyes: Fuck off, trolling **** that you are.
Are you happy being working class?

You seem to wear it as some kind of award of achievement, as if it's a difficult accomplishment. [/b]
Workers work a lot harder physically than Capitalist do.

To Capitalists all their work is a fun-obsessed-game of stocks and company-fighting, where if they lose they still have enough to go in for another round.

With workers if they lose once, they are screwed for life.

People are proud that their more active and useful than capitalists I guess, even though they are stuck in their position. You got what you got.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

It'll be funny when you complain that you cannot find a job with those skills.
I could argue, but deep down inside I know I'll be laughing.

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by RevolutionaryMarxist+Oct 2 2006, 05:46 PM--> (RevolutionaryMarxist @ Oct 2 2006, 05:46 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 03:27 PM

[email protected] 1 2006, 08:08 PM
Why is there not schools for revolutionaries? Why are we sitting here argueing with cappies? Where can I train to be a revolutionary? Why do we waste money on indulgence, when we could be spending it on revolution? Why are we wasting our time in the first world? Why is there no revolutions in the third world?

EDIT: There is what, 10 000 members in the rcp, imagine if they were all fighting in colombia? What would we accomplish?
None you guys on these forums has a JOB therefore you cant buy plane tickets anywhere.
Yes, none of the working class have jobs :rolleyes: Fuck off, trolling **** that you are.
Are you happy being working class?

You seem to wear it as some kind of award of achievement, as if it's a difficult accomplishment.
Workers work a lot harder physically than Capitalist do.

To Capitalists all their work is a fun-obsessed-game of stocks and company-fighting, where if they lose they still have enough to go in for another round.

With workers if they lose once, they are screwed for life.

People are proud that their more active and useful than capitalists I guess, even though they are stuck in their position. You got what you got. [/b]
but you aren't, if you were you would have no trouble finding a skilled labor job.

do all you guys speak in hyperbolic sentences?