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[Rodack]

I was wondering what would happen if all the oil on the planet was gone, would corporations try to find new alternative energy sources, would corporations compete for the cheapest and cleanest energy source, comrades? :mellow:

[Rodack]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 03:16 PM
I was wondering what would happen if all the oil on the planet was gone, would corporations try to find new alternative energy sources, would corporations compete for the cheapest and cleanest energy source, comrades? :mellow:
Maybe the question is too scary, I apologize if I offended anyone. Iwill try to ask it in a way that makes you feel more emotionally comfortable. If the Earth never had oil, what kind of energy would be used at this time, comrades?

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 03:16 PM
I was wondering what would happen if all the oil on the planet was gone, would corporations try to find new alternative energy sources, would corporations compete for the cheapest and cleanest energy source, comrades? :mellow:
They would compete for the cheapest resource to gather that they can sell for the highest price. They may go for something clean as it would certianly help the marketing.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by Rodack+Sep 30 2006, 06:42 PM--> (Rodack @ Sep 30 2006, 06:42 PM)
[email protected] 30 2006, 03:16 PM
I was wondering what would happen if all the oil on the planet was gone, would corporations try to find new alternative energy sources, would corporations compete for the cheapest and cleanest energy source, comrades? :mellow:
Maybe the question is too scary, I apologize if I offended anyone. Iwill try to ask it in a way that makes you feel more emotionally comfortable. If the Earth never had oil, what kind of energy would be used at this time, comrades? [/b]
I don't know? Alchohol, maybe? I don't know a lot about this area, sorry comrade.

[Rodack]

Originally posted by Jazzratt+Sep 30 2006, 06:50 PM--> (Jazzratt @ Sep 30 2006, 06:50 PM)
[email protected] 30 2006, 03:16 PM
I was wondering what would happen if all the oil on the planet was gone, would corporations try to find new alternative energy sources, would corporations compete for the cheapest and cleanest energy source, comrades? :mellow:
They would compete for the cheapest resource to gather that they can sell for the highest price. They may go for something clean as it would certianly help the marketing.[/b]
A cleaner aternative would definately help in the marketing. Would technologies be advanced much faster in order to reach these goals, comrade? Would this also effect the Zero tolerence for Compitition in the work force? Could only a Capitalistic society achieve these goals of advanced technology because the insentive of reward was so great? Would this opertunity allow countries like Cuba or China with its' higher level of education win out over the Public School educated people of the United States? So many questions, so many factors to consider. Would Marxist theory be able to cope with all these factors that are part of the 21st century? How could we as Leftist be able to include these theoretical possibilities in such a technologically advanced society? I certainly do not have the answers but I must question the political theories of yesterday and how they can flourish in todays society, comrades?

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by Rodack+Sep 30 2006, 08:11 PM--> (Rodack @ Sep 30 2006, 08:11 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 06:50 PM

[email protected] 30 2006, 03:16 PM
I was wondering what would happen if all the oil on the planet was gone, would corporations try to find new alternative energy sources, would corporations compete for the cheapest and cleanest energy source, comrades? :mellow:
They would compete for the cheapest resource to gather that they can sell for the highest price. They may go for something clean as it would certianly help the marketing.
A cleaner aternative would definately help in the marketing. Would technologies be advanced much faster in order to reach these goals, comrade? [/b]
Only energy technologies, and even then only for as long as there was a 'crisis'.
Would this also effect the Zero tolerence for Compitition in the work force? Could you explain what you mean by this please mate?

Could only a Capitalistic society achieve these goals of advanced technology because the insentive of reward was so great?Hell no! It would be even more easily and efficiantly done in a communist society. In a technocratic society it would barely be a concern as the technological advancment would go at an extreme rate.
Would this opertunity allow countries like Cuba or China with its' higher level of education win out over the Public School educated people of the United States?It's possible, it's possible...
So many questions, so many factors to consider. Would Marxist theory be able to cope with all these factors that are part of the 21st century? How could we as Leftist be able to include these theoretical possibilities in such a technologically advanced society? I certainly do not have the answers but I must question the political theories of yesterday and how they can flourish in todays society, comrades? I sort of get the thrust of this comment and the answer is easy: leftist theory is constantly reviewed and updated by its proponants, it is not a stagnatant ideology as the reactionaries will have you believe and has gone many changes, even since the days of Lenin. You can see some of this process even on this very board comrade.

[Rodack]

Originally posted by Jazzratt+Sep 30 2006, 09:09 PM--> (Jazzratt @ Sep 30 2006, 09:09 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 06:50 PM

[email protected] 30 2006, 03:16 PM
I was wondering what would happen if all the oil on the planet was gone, would corporations try to find new alternative energy sources, would corporations compete for the cheapest and cleanest energy source, comrades? :mellow:
They would compete for the cheapest resource to gather that they can sell for the highest price. They may go for something clean as it would certianly help the marketing.
A cleaner aternative would definately help in the marketing. Would technologies be advanced much faster in order to reach these goals, comrade?
Only energy technologies, and even then only for as long as there was a 'crisis'.
Would this also effect the Zero tolerence for Compitition in the work force? Could you explain what you mean by this please mate?

Could only a Capitalistic society achieve these goals of advanced technology because the insentive of reward was so great?Hell no! It would be even more easily and efficiantly done in a communist society. In a technocratic society it would barely be a concern as the technological advancment would go at an extreme rate.
Would this opertunity allow countries like Cuba or China with its' higher level of education win out over the Public School educated people of the United States?It's possible, it's possible...
So many questions, so many factors to consider. Would Marxist theory be able to cope with all these factors that are part of the 21st century? How could we as Leftist be able to include these theoretical possibilities in such a technologically advanced society? I certainly do not have the answers but I must question the political theories of yesterday and how they can flourish in todays society, comrades? I sort of get the thrust of this comment and the answer is easy: leftist theory is constantly reviewed and updated by its proponants, it is not a stagnatant ideology as the reactionaries will have you believe and has gone many changes, even since the days of Lenin. You can see some of this process even on this very board comrade. [/b]
[QUOTE]Would this also effect the Zero tolerence for Compitition in the work force?


Competition or the Competative nature in regards to the work force would envoke the Bourgeois to start a bidding war between the Proletariat and that would be too Right Wing for our ideology. You speak of changes over time but are those changes for the common good or are the changes for the individual good. We must be careful as to how things are regulated in order to reach a peacful solution. Thank you for asking me these important questions, I do enjoy this discussion, Comrade

[Janus]

Look up peak oil or Hubbert peak theory.

I would really think that we would change our energy sources by that time but looking at our current trend, major energy research may not get underway for a while.

[BreadBros]

Competition or the Competative nature in regards to the work force would envoke the Bourgeois to start a bidding war between the Proletariat and that would be too Right Wing for our ideology.

You mean a bidding war for workers between the bourgeois or what? I don't think changes in energy sources would change the labor market too much. Workers who specialize in such matters (engineers, chemists, and the such?) would likely become highly valued for a period, but even that would return to normal after a few years as expertise in energy sources became more widely taught.


You speak of changes over time but are those changes for the common good or are the changes for the individual good.

Changes in energy use or changes in Marxist theory?

As for changes in energy use, I don't think they're undertaken with any motivation towards being for either common or individual good, they're undertaken in order to continue production and make high profits. I guess they would benefit the common good in the sense that they were cleaner, although that would be done within the context of capitalist property relations.

As for changes in Marxist theory, I think he meant more along the lines of, changes to update theory to match new technologies and historical developments. As a materialist philosophy I think the concepts of 'individual good' or 'common good' dont really play a part. However, I guess under Marxism the common good is the individual good in as much as the individual is inextricably tied up with their societies structure.