Collectivization?

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Comrades, I have a question. once the revolution is over, how will we go about collectivizing and communalizing property?? coercion? Reform? What do you think?

[Enragé]

If the revolution is truly carried out by and for the working class, the working class will most definitely collectivise the means of production.

Since the bourgeois has been already "wiped out" in the sense that they have a say over the means of production, there will be no coercion involved.

Same ultimately goes for agricultural workers.


The problem with previous revolutions was that they in fact were not, or only in a limited form, carried out by the population as a whole, or by the population as a whole.. but under the leadership of those who were to be the new rulers after the "revolution" (China for instance)

[More Fire for the People]

Firstly: if production is to have the aim of securing for everyone a dignified life, plentiful food and providing other cultural means of existence, then the productivity of labour must be a great deal higher than it is now. The land must yield a far greater crop, the most advanced technology must be used in the factories, only the most productive coal and ore mines must be exploited, etc. It follows from this that socialisation will above all extend to the large enterprises in industry and agriculture. We do not need and do not want to dispossess the small farmer and craftsman eking out a living with a small plot of land or workshop. In time they will all come to us voluntarily and will recognise the merits of socialism as against private property. — Rosa Luxemburg

One of the biggest failures of Stalinist regime in the USSR was the failure to organise large farms into the hands of agricultural proletarians.

[apathy maybe]

One aim of the revolution will surely be for freedom from oppression. Any collectivisation will be voluntary.

If you force people to join a commune, of if you forcibly take land that they are legitimately using, then you are no better then the authoritarians.

Besides, we know how well forced collectivisation worked in the USSR don’t we?


Most people will join voluntarily the communes and collectives that are set up. They will involve less work, more sense of community and will offer other benefits. However, there shall always be those who desire the freedom to be alone, to produce what they want without interference.

I do not think that anybody should be forced from that sort of lifestyle unless they directly threaten the larger community.