Freedom of Speech

[Red Menace]

What role does it play in a communistic society.
Is it banned all together?

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 06:54 AM
What role does it play in a communistic society.
Is it banned all together?
Who would enforce it's ban in a communistic society?

[Whitten]

During the dictatorship of the proletariat a certain amount of reasonable censorship is necessary. After the revolution once we have communism, one can only speculate.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

During the dictatorship of the proletariat a certain amount of reasonable censorship is necessary. After the revolution once we have communism, one can only speculate.

While capitalism is the dominant ideology and has more powerful economies the weaker workers states might not have total freedom of speech.

However as workers states take over to represent the dominant ideology im sure it would lead to the capitalist states having less and less freedom of speech up until their decline.

I think it merely depends of who at any given time is the weaker actor. The weaker actor will have to remain legitimate to ensure it survival which equals less freedom of speech.

[Demogorgon]

Im ,y view there must be complete freedom of speech, including for those who are absolutely opposed to communism.

[MrDoom]

The democratic dictatorship of the proletariat should allow capitalists freedom of speech perhaps, but not allow them to participate in political processes.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

I agree with Demogorgon. If there is no free speech, communism will not spread because capitalist governments will use propaganda tactics to say that it isn't free in the socialist state and etc...

There should definately be freedom of speech and free elections in which all compete because this revolution should have the complete support of the people. I think that elections would be more soviet based, or by workplace.

[Rodack]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 02:12 PM
I agree with Demogorgon. If there is no free speech, communism will not spread because capitalist governments will use propaganda tactics to say that it isn't free in the socialist state and etc...

There should definately be freedom of speech and free elections in which all compete because this revolution should have the complete support of the people. I think that elections would be more soviet based, or by workplace.
I have not found any internet sources in Cuba and China has a very regulated internet that only the elite have access too. It does seem to indicate that the Freeflow of information would do more harm than good in a Communist state, Comrades

[AlwaysAnarchy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 02:12 PM
I agree with Demogorgon. If there is no free speech, communism will not spread because capitalist governments will use propaganda tactics to say that it isn't free in the socialist state and etc...

There should definately be freedom of speech and free elections in which all compete because this revolution should have the complete support of the people. I think that elections would be more soviet based, or by workplace.
I agree with both statements!

[Whitten]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 05:26 PM
I have not found any internet sources in Cuba and China has a very regulated internet that only the elite have access too. It does seem to indicate that the Freeflow of information would do more harm than good in a Communist state, Comrades
China have a highly censored internet, but to far too greater extreme. They shouldnt censor information flow between citizens, the state is submissive to its people, not otherwise. Cuba doesnt censor internet access like this. But access to the internet in Cuba is difficult because of teh US embargo, they have to rely off of expensive satelight access.

[Rodack]

Originally posted by Whitten+Sep 30 2006, 07:52 PM--> (Whitten @ Sep 30 2006, 07:52 PM)
[email protected] 30 2006, 05:26 PM
I have not found any internet sources in Cuba and China has a very regulated internet that only the elite have access too. It does seem to indicate that the Freeflow of information would do more harm than good in a Communist state, Comrades
China have a highly censored internet, but to far too greater extreme. They shouldnt censor information flow between citizens, the state is submissive to its people, not otherwise. Cuba doesnt censor internet access like this. But access to the internet in Cuba is difficult because of teh US embargo, they have to rely off of expensive satelight access. [/b]
I agree, in order for Communism to flourish, the freeflow of information must be regulated by a controlling body, they should have the dicission as to what can be allowed, free expression can be very dangerous in a collective society. Certain perameters must be put in place to allow the individual the feeling that they are expressing themselves so as not to damage the feeling of freedom within their own minds

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by Rodack+Sep 30 2006, 08:20 PM--> (Rodack @ Sep 30 2006, 08:20 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 07:52 PM

[email protected] 30 2006, 05:26 PM
I have not found any internet sources in Cuba and China has a very regulated internet that only the elite have access too. It does seem to indicate that the Freeflow of information would do more harm than good in a Communist state, Comrades
China have a highly censored internet, but to far too greater extreme. They shouldnt censor information flow between citizens, the state is submissive to its people, not otherwise. Cuba doesnt censor internet access like this. But access to the internet in Cuba is difficult because of teh US embargo, they have to rely off of expensive satelight access.
I agree, in order for Communism to flourish, the freeflow of information must be regulated by a controlling body, they should have the dicission as to what can be allowed, free expression can be very dangerous in a collective society. Certain perameters must be put in place to allow the individual the feeling that they are expressing themselves so as not to damage the feeling of freedom within their own minds [/b]
wtf? You're kidding, right?

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 02:04 PM
The democratic dictatorship of the proletariat should allow capitalists freedom of speech perhaps, but not allow them to participate in political processes.
Then it's not democratic. The way it should work is that who ever joins the worker council has the right to vote.

[Rodack]

Originally posted by LeftyHenry+Oct 1 2006, 02:03 AM--> (LeftyHenry @ Oct 1 2006, 02:03 AM)
[email protected] 30 2006, 02:04 PM
The democratic dictatorship of the proletariat should allow capitalists freedom of speech perhaps, but not allow them to participate in political processes.
Then it's not democratic. The way it should work is that who ever joins the worker council has the right to vote. [/b]
Measures must be taken to ensure that the right people join the workers council. You can not allow anyone who believes in a right wing ideology to join the workers council. What would happen if millions joined who did not follow our ideology, it would be devistating, Comrade

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by Rodack+Oct 1 2006, 04:48 PM--> (Rodack @ Oct 1 2006, 04:48 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 02:03 AM

[email protected] 30 2006, 02:04 PM
The democratic dictatorship of the proletariat should allow capitalists freedom of speech perhaps, but not allow them to participate in political processes.
Then it's not democratic. The way it should work is that who ever joins the worker council has the right to vote.
Measures must be taken to ensure that the right people join the workers council. You can not allow anyone who believes in a right wing ideology to join the workers council. What would happen if millions joined who did not follow our ideology, it would be devistating, Comrade [/b]
But after the revolution there will not be millions of right-wing reactionaries in one area. The reactionaries will have no voice and will be a fringe group. The vast majority of people will be communists and revolutionaries. Besides, a ideology that emancipates the working class and that is a dictatorship of the masses must have much more freedom than an ideology that is a dictatorship of an elite ruling class. Surely the socialist ideology of the workers has far less to fear than the capitalist ideology of a select few, don't you agree comrade?

[Rodack]

Originally posted by LeftyHenry+Oct 1 2006, 04:53 PM--> (LeftyHenry @ Oct 1 2006, 04:53 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 02:03 AM

[email protected] 30 2006, 02:04 PM
The democratic dictatorship of the proletariat should allow capitalists freedom of speech perhaps, but not allow them to participate in political processes.
Then it's not democratic. The way it should work is that who ever joins the worker council has the right to vote.
Measures must be taken to ensure that the right people join the workers council. You can not allow anyone who believes in a right wing ideology to join the workers council. What would happen if millions joined who did not follow our ideology, it would be devistating, Comrade
But after the revolution there will not be millions of right-wing reactionaries in one area. The reactionaries will have no voice and will be a fringe group. The vast majority of people will be communists and revolutionaries. Besides, a ideology that emancipates the working class and that is a dictatorship of the masses must have much more freedom than an ideology that is a dictatorship of an elite ruling class. Surely the socialist ideology of the workers has far less to fear than the capitalist ideology of a select few, don't you agree comrade? [/b]
After the Revolution, what Revolution? The closest the United States got to a Revolution was the great Depression of 1929. Those days are long gone. The only hope for a Revolution in this day and age is a total economic colapse. As long as technology advances and peoples standards of living improve, you can forget about Revolution. We must find ways to create an economic colapse from within. The hows and whys must be discussed. Maybe you can explain to me how this Revolution is going to start, Comrade?

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by Rodack+Oct 1 2006, 05:05 PM--> (Rodack @ Oct 1 2006, 05:05 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 02:03 AM

[email protected] 30 2006, 02:04 PM
The democratic dictatorship of the proletariat should allow capitalists freedom of speech perhaps, but not allow them to participate in political processes.
Then it's not democratic. The way it should work is that who ever joins the worker council has the right to vote.
Measures must be taken to ensure that the right people join the workers council. You can not allow anyone who believes in a right wing ideology to join the workers council. What would happen if millions joined who did not follow our ideology, it would be devistating, Comrade
But after the revolution there will not be millions of right-wing reactionaries in one area. The reactionaries will have no voice and will be a fringe group. The vast majority of people will be communists and revolutionaries. Besides, a ideology that emancipates the working class and that is a dictatorship of the masses must have much more freedom than an ideology that is a dictatorship of an elite ruling class. Surely the socialist ideology of the workers has far less to fear than the capitalist ideology of a select few, don't you agree comrade?
After the Revolution, what Revolution? The closest the United States got to a Revolution was the great Depression of 1929. Those days are long gone. The only hope for a Revolution in this day and age is a total economic colapse. As long as technology advances and peoples standards of living improve, you can forget about Revolution. We must find ways to create an economic colapse from within. The hows and whys must be discussed. Maybe you can explain to me how this Revolution is going to start, Comrade? [/b]
:mellow: Well we're arguing a post-revolutionary discussion, aren't we? A socialist revolution will come when the people are fully behind the socialist ideology. It will not be some military coup. I can only speculate as to how a revolution will come, but it will most likely have it's foundation in the democratically centralized vanguard.

[Rodack]

Originally posted by LeftyHenry+Oct 1 2006, 05:13 PM--> (LeftyHenry @ Oct 1 2006, 05:13 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 02:03 AM

[email protected] 30 2006, 02:04 PM
The democratic dictatorship of the proletariat should allow capitalists freedom of speech perhaps, but not allow them to participate in political processes.
Then it's not democratic. The way it should work is that who ever joins the worker council has the right to vote.
Measures must be taken to ensure that the right people join the workers council. You can not allow anyone who believes in a right wing ideology to join the workers council. What would happen if millions joined who did not follow our ideology, it would be devistating, Comrade
But after the revolution there will not be millions of right-wing reactionaries in one area. The reactionaries will have no voice and will be a fringe group. The vast majority of people will be communists and revolutionaries. Besides, a ideology that emancipates the working class and that is a dictatorship of the masses must have much more freedom than an ideology that is a dictatorship of an elite ruling class. Surely the socialist ideology of the workers has far less to fear than the capitalist ideology of a select few, don't you agree comrade?
After the Revolution, what Revolution? The closest the United States got to a Revolution was the great Depression of 1929. Those days are long gone. The only hope for a Revolution in this day and age is a total economic colapse. As long as technology advances and peoples standards of living improve, you can forget about Revolution. We must find ways to create an economic colapse from within. The hows and whys must be discussed. Maybe you can explain to me how this Revolution is going to start, Comrade?
:mellow: Well we're arguing a post-revolutionary discussion, aren't we? A socialist revolution will come when the people are fully behind the socialist ideology. It will not be some military coup. I can only speculate as to how a revolution will come, but it will most likely have it's foundation in the democratically centralized vanguard. [/b]
As long as people are happy in the situation that they are in, I really do not see a Revolution, factors from within must be excersised to our advantage in order to bring a following towards a favorable conclusion. One example was the attacks on the World Trade Center. Not only destroying the largest symbol of Western Decadence in the Northern Hemisphere it did effect the stock market and it shut down the Airline industry in the United States and most everywhere else, costing Corporations Billions in profits. Unfortunately the recovery was too fast to have any real impact. The Bombings in Spain, frightened the people to re-elect the Socialist government. This might be a way to bring about Revolution, fear is a very convincing tool. Please dont be upset, Comrade. I only point out suggestions as to how Revolution might be brought about. Attacking Military or Government targets is not something I would do, I believe that would be counter productive. It is intresting to see how Governments deal with situations when civilian targets are envolved

[umbilical_syllables]

What kind of information should be censored?

If a group of people are having a public meeting where they spread anti-socialist ideas, should the military (or the socialist equivalent) use force to stop it? Or should it be allowed?

Does this only apply to newspapers, political litterature and such or music, movies and other forms of culture?

Should political opponents be allowed to join in public discussions or should they be ignored completely?

What punishment are we to use against people breaking this law?

Any ideas?

[Rodack]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 07:53 PM
What kind of information should be censored?

If a group of people are having a public meeting where they spread anti-socialist ideas, should the military (or the socialist equivalent) use force to stop it? Or should it be allowed?

Does this only apply to newspapers, political litterature and such or music, movies and other forms of culture?

Should political opponents be allowed to join in public discussions or should they be ignored completely?

What punishment are we to use against people breaking this law?

Any ideas?
Any oposing views of Left Wing Politigal theories should not be allowed in any forum. The freeflow of information must be regulated so as not to allow individuals to hinder the greater cause of Left Wing Political theory

[umbilical_syllables]

The freeflow of information must be regulated so as not to allow individuals to hinder the greater cause of Left Wing Political theory

Could you please elaborate?

How is this supposed to be enforced? What kind of punishment should be used? etc

How, do you mean, is a single individual supposed to prevent the spread of the theory of the masses?

And why isn't critisizing the opposing theories and showing their weaknesses a more productive action?

[LoneRed]

Originally posted by LeftyHenry+Oct 1 2006, 02:03 AM--> (LeftyHenry @ Oct 1 2006, 02:03 AM)
[email protected] 30 2006, 02:04 PM
The democratic dictatorship of the proletariat should allow capitalists freedom of speech perhaps, but not allow them to participate in political processes.
Then it's not democratic. The way it should work is that who ever joins the worker council has the right to vote. [/b]
Back to capitalism we go! :blink: