Drugs

[Red Menace]

Now this issue has always confused me

I always thought of them, as poison of the mind and body,
released to the general public by the government to keep us weak, and dependent on the wage system. What do you guys think? Accurate Interpretation?

[which doctor]

No, not accurate at all.

If they were really used to keep us down they would be legal, like alcohol is.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Really? I thought drugs were substances that made you feel good but because of irresponsible use the negative side effects were over exploited to give them a bad rep.

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2006, 10:38 PM
No, not accurate at all.

If they were really used to keep us down they would be legal, like alcohol is.
Well, here's my reasoning behind it. They have to make a few arrests, to show that there is not tolerance for it. But overall, its released secretly to keep the public weak.
again there is no offense ment, to those of you that do use drugs. This is just my interpretation of it. I just pride myself in keeping in top physical shape, for when the revolution does come. and I think drugs would just fuck that up for me.

[perdido]

Well personally I don't consider marijuana a drug, but I know some here do. I am also in top physical condition. I run everyday and work out every other. Yet I smoke weed on a daily basis. Not enough to be completely incoherent but enough to put me in a good state of mind. Through this state of mind I can recieve a better understanding of the world around me. But some people do not use weed for this purpose. It is like alcohol, if abused it can have very negative effects, but with moderate use it can be beneficial. In this way I think it can benefit society. If any drugs are used by the capitalists to keep the public weak it would be that of crack cocaine, heroin and starbucks coffee.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 04:38 PM
Well personally I don't consider marijuana a drug
You have a faulty definition of the word drug. Marijuana (or more specifically the THC is Marijuana) is a substance that causes a chemical change in the brain, therefore is a drug. I agree with the sentiment of your post though, just thought 'd point this out.

[BreadBros]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 04:20 AM
Now this issue has always confused me

I always thought of them, as poison of the mind and body,
released to the general public by the government to keep us weak, and dependent on the wage system. What do you guys think? Accurate Interpretation?
They can be "poisonous", depending on how responsibly you use them and remain far from being dependent on them. But drugs cant be ascribed qualities like "good" or "bad". The government can use computers to monitor you, does that make computers bad? Drugs can be used for good purposes, to make you feel good, to alleviate pain, to make you look at reality in new ways, for certain physical activities, they can also do incredible harm to you. I doubt the government releases them, although I doubt its goal is to really eradicate them. They are in many ways vital to the American underground economy, and they do make a lot of people rich. However the government does use its war against them as a tool of repression against everyday people who consume them. It also funds a massive industry of police, government and beauracracy to keep them illegal, which of course benefits private industry. They keep us weak because while they allow us to use them, they prevent us from being able to use them safely. I dont really see how they keep us dependent on the wage system, most of us have to eat and shelter ourselves, so wed be dependent on that anyway. Drugs arent the enemy, the system of government, the war against drugs and capitalism is.

[LSD]

Well, here's my reasoning behind it. They have to make a few arrests, to show that there is not tolerance for it.

I wish that were true, but the astonishing number of people in jail due solely to drug "crimes" would indicate otherwise.


But overall, its released secretly to keep the public weak.

I think you're being needlessly paranoid.

No one needs to "release" anything. The nature of capitalism is that if something is desired, someone will sell it; and drugs are definitely desired.

There have definitely been points in history where various governments have found it convenient to get involved in the drug trade, but overall, I think the drug business is what it appears to be: a mostly private affair.


I just pride myself in keeping in top physical shape, for when the revolution does come. and I think drugs would just fuck that up for me.

Which is great! Just so long as you respect that the rest of us don't nescessarily share your attitude.

That's the thing that puritanical types can never understand. Just 'cause they want to impose their "morals" on the rest of the world, doesn't mean the rest of us do too.

[Red Menace]

I think you're being needlessly paranoid.
I thought so too, but you never know.


Which is great! Just so long as you respect that the rest of us don't nescessarily share your attitude.

That's the thing that puritanical types can never understand. Just 'cause they want to impose their "morals" on the rest of the world, doesn't mean the rest of us do too.

Oh I do. I didn't mean for it to sound like I didn't. I was just putting in my 2 cents on what i thought of it, and what works for me. I don't mean it to sound like im criticizing you guys.

Believe me, I am 100% against pushing ones beliefs on others. Again I was just saying what worked for me, and if you guys thought it was justified, which I guess Im getting from the group consensus that it is not.

Thank you comrades.

[which doctor]

I once saw an article like this on TOTSE where someone thought drugs were used for mind control.

Let's just say there's a reason why alcohol is legal and LSD is not. Alcohol inebriates people, LSD expands one's mind.



BTW I am quite high right now on dex

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 09:30 PM
I once saw an article like this on TOTSE where someone thought drugs were used for mind control.

Let's just say there's a reason why alcohol is legal and LSD is not. Alcohol inebriates people, LSD expands one's mind.



BTW I am quite high right now on dex
well, this is basically a summary of what i belive.
my reasoning behind it, can be summed up in the theory
that if you tell a child that he cannot play with a toy, that he wasn't playing with to begin with, he will then want to play with it even more.
apply this to people and drugs, you tell the masses that you cannot use it, you ban it, it makes them more curious, and makes them want to start using.

again, i do not criticize, i respect that some of you do use drugs, I do not care. I do not wish to stop you, that is your business.

[Red_Syphilis_Steve]

well, I do not believe that drugs are imposed on the people by the government. Drugs have been around longer than that of the American government. however, some drugs are VERY capitalistic. especially Cocaine. many people are killed and worked to death because of drug lords who produce it. but the dealers? they're just trying to get by, you have to understand.

[Keyser]

When talking about drugs, lets include the legal ones like alcohol, tobacco, tea, caffine, chocolate etc...

If you include these legal ones and some illegal natural (ie: non-synthetic drugs) drugs like cannabis, you will see that drug use is as old as humankind itself.

Ancient witchdoctors used cannabis tens of thousands of years ago, before the concept of things like the state, government, written laws etc... even existed, so no drugs are not some government conspiracy.

Drugs work differently depending on the user, so each drug can give it's own unique high to the user too, thus making drugs and their effects on the human mind, to unpredictable for any government to consider as a useful method of social control.

There have been some sci-fi novels of future totalitarian dystopias that use drugs to control the masses (Brave New World, with the drug 'Soma') and (the film Equilibrium, with the 'Prozium' drug). But these are just sci-fi novels and not a reality.

If something can control the masses, then governments do not clamp down on it, but use it to their maximum advantage.

The 'war on drugs' is a useful tool and method of social control, used by governments and states to exert yet another justification of their own tyranny and their inhumane methods of oppression. Even totalitarian systems, justify their oppression with propaganda about how society must sacrifice freedom for the 'common good'. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, as they say.

It is up to the individual, to decide whether they wish to consume drgus, and enjoy their lives more, even at a risk to their own health.

Legalise all drugs and provide balanced information to all who wish to know about drugs and their effects.

[angus_mor]

Well it is true that drugs have been used for suppression of the proletarian masses and other forms of mind control in the past. The CIA did all kinds of experiments with LSD to create a truth serum, it was a legal substance at the time, and they just gave it to unsuspecting coleagues as an office prank. However, acid proved to be unsuitable as a mind control device and was soon dropped.

Before you decide to join the Nazi Party, Defy, you should atleast do a little experimentation before you declare that old purity of mind, body, and race chestnut. LSD and shrooms have opened my mind and consciousness in ways I couldn't possibly imagine beforehand, you can actually see dialectical processes and things, it's nuts. I think this world would've been a much better place if people weren't so conservative about drugs. Karl Marx should've done acid, for sure, that's something that becomes quite apparent as it's coming on.

Well do what you feel is right kid, I'm late for work, see ya.