how would an anrachist govt. be setted up?

[Revulero]

if there was an anrchist revolution how would the govt. be setted up or would there even be a govt???

[apathy maybe]

I cannot say that there will not be a government set up after an anarchist revolution, but anarchists are against governments and states.

Now for the long answer, firstly, I do not think there will be an "anarchist revolution" or a "Lenininst revolution" or whatever. I think that if a revolution does happen, it will be against capitalism and oppression. It will be for freedom and equality. But most people will not call themselves anarchists or Marxists or whatever. They might share the ideals of anarchism (etc.), but will not self identify.

As such, while there will be a move by anarchists against the setting up of any governmental structures, there will be people who will feel that it is necessary. There will be people trying to get a constitutional convention or similar running. Anarchists would (generally) oppose such moves.


Also see the stickied thread at the top of the learning forum and read through some of the links. Also do a search for anarchism and government using the board software.

(And to any Mods or Admins, can you fix the internal links in the stickied thread mentioned? They link to che-lives.com/forum rather then revleft.com/)

[MrDoom]

I can understand why anarchists tend to be against the State, but why government in general?

[Raj Radical]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2006, 02:25 AM
I can understand why anarchists tend to be against the State, but why government in general?
Because the government is the state

[Wiesty]

Ya, i dont know if Anarchists would have a government, probably just the state (which is totalyl different from a government)

[Raj Radical]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2006, 03:17 AM
Ya, i dont know if Anarchists would have a government, probably just the state (which is totalyl different from a government)
What?

[Wiesty]

Can you read english?

[Raj Radical]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2006, 03:38 AM
Can you read english?
Do you know what anarchism is?

[A CLOCKWORK ORANGE]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2006, 03:17 AM
Ya, i dont know if Anarchists would have a government, probably just the state (which is totalyl different from a government)
How are they different?

[Wiesty]

depends how you look at it, as a marxist it includes many government run things, the army etc. where as in capitalism there definition is usually limited to the government. so you can look at it two different ways.
And i still find anarchism unrealistic, seeing as how they beleive that revolts will happen spontainiously throughout a country. I believe this highly unlikeable seeing as how there would need to be coordination, by a group such as a political/workers etc party.
Bottom line, anarchism dosent have governments, and is highly unlikeable to happen.

[MrDoom]

Because the government is the state

How are they different?

All states are governments, not all governments are states.

The ruleset to a card game, the laws of nature, or the heads of a sports league can be described as governments, for example. However, they lack the over-arching, separate position of the state, which is more or less a giant gun; designed to enforce the will of a ruling class. In capitalist society, it is the minority that holds the gun and aims at the majority. In order for socialism to manifest, the workers must procure the gun from the minority, and point it at them.

EDIT: Spelling, supporting ideas.

[midnight marauder]

Terrific analysis, Mr. Doom. I feel like it should be added that although anarchism is opposed to heirarchy, some schools of anarchist thought do espouse forms of government. For example, one of the major trends in popular anarchism right now is anarcho-communism, a type of revolutionary thought which utilizes horizontal "governments," by defintion, through the use of voluntary worker/citizen associations.

I'm not sure if this has been linked yet, but for those of you struggling with the concept of anarchism, I suggest this amazing resource: http://www.infoshop.org/faq/index.html

[violencia.Proletariat]

There would be no "state." Society would be run through a federation of communes. Production in the commune would be run by workers councils in each workplace and worker committees/councils on local, regional, and if necessary national levels. Local laws/regulations would be made through direct democracy by neighborhood councils.

[Mcas]

If a group of anarchists were to overthrow the government I would hope they had already planned out the social structures they would install.

There is no one way to set up an anarchist state after a revolution - it depends on the ideas of the group doing the overthrowing. Anything could happen.

If the group descides to install a crop sharing program, then that would considered part of the government. Or, like we have in this city, a work-hour currency. The idea that skills and labour are traded for other skills and labour directly. This eliminates taxes and allows people, if the system is strong enough, to even live in a lower tax bracket, but still have all the things they would have normally. A very 'anarchist' idea.

In a self-governed society, whatever programs the people create and use would be the foundation and parts of that government.

[Raj Radical]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2006, 02:28 PM

Because the government is the state

How are they different?

All states are governments, not all governments are states.

The ruleset to a card game, the laws of nature, or the heads of a sports league can be described as governments, for example. However, they lack the over-arching, separate position of the state, which is more or less a giant gun; designed to enforce the will of a ruling class. In capitalist society, it is the minority that holds the gun and aims at the majority. In order for socialism to manifest, the workers must procure the gun from the minority, and point it at them.

EDIT: Spelling, supporting ideas.
That isent true, the State is any institutions that are coersive within society with the ability to establish and enforce rules.

Central Government is a state institution, the laws of nature are not "governments" at least not in the context of the english language.

Anarchists (I should say the majority of) are not against any form of governing bodys, since technically autonomous egalatarian workers councils could still be considered a governing body.

It's really semantics

[apathy maybe]

Originally posted by Raj Radical
It's really semantics Yes indeed. Anarchists are against oppressive hierarchical social institutions. I think that both government and state are effectively equivalent, and oppose both. But someone with a different definition of government, but then say that they support government (so long as it is not oppressive and hierarchical). We support and oppose the same thing, but have different terminology.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

That isent true, the State is any institutions that are coersive within society with the ability to establish and enforce rules.
That would imply that corporations are states



Central Government is a state institution, the laws of nature are not "governments" at least not in the context of the english language.
The Laws of Nature are governments, in that they govern how nature acts.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by apathy [email protected] 28 2006, 09:39 AM
I cannot say that there will not be a government set up after an anarchist revolution, but anarchists are against governments and states.

Now for the long answer, firstly, I do not think there will be an "anarchist revolution" or a "Lenininst revolution" or whatever. I think that if a revolution does happen, it will be against capitalism and oppression. It will be for freedom and equality. But most people will not call themselves anarchists or Marxists or whatever. They might share the ideals of anarchism (etc.), but will not self identify.

No doubt, but by leninist revolution, he meant a organized and planned revolution or popular uprsing as opposed to a sudden spontaneous revolution or uprising.

[YSR]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 01:06 PM
That would imply that corporations are states
Increasingly, that point could be made.

[apathy maybe]

Originally posted by LeftyHenry+Oct 2 2006, 12:53 AM--> (LeftyHenry @ Oct 2 2006, 12:53 AM)
apathy [email protected] 28 2006, 09:39 AM
I cannot say that there will not be a government set up after an anarchist revolution, but anarchists are against governments and states.

Now for the long answer, firstly, I do not think there will be an "anarchist revolution" or a "Lenininst revolution" or whatever. I think that if a revolution does happen, it will be against capitalism and oppression. It will be for freedom and equality. But most people will not call themselves anarchists or Marxists or whatever. They might share the ideals of anarchism (etc.), but will not self identify.

No doubt, but by leninist revolution, he meant a organized and planned revolution or popular uprsing as opposed to a sudden spontaneous revolution or uprising. [/b]
The original poster did not even mention Leninism. I brought it up as another alternative to anarchism.


Two other points. When is a coup a revolution? And what is the difference between popular uprising and spontaneous revolution/uprising?