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tecumseh
28th September 2006, 03:08
While you can obviously imagine or gerrymander or stipulate a situation in which torture might yield useful information, in practice the systematic authorization of torture creates an army of butchers, not a crack investigative team. Bush, Cheney, and those around them remind me of Nietzsche's line about staring too long into the abyss. They've become transfixed, hypnotized almost, by the evils they believe themselves to be fighting. Obsessed to the point where they've clearly developed an admiration for the brutal methods, ruthless dishonesty, and utter secrecy with which the enemies of liberalism conduct themselves.

But these things they're so eager--determined, really--to cast aside aren't frivolous luxury to be abandonned in times of peril. They're the very essence of what makes our system of government work. They're what makes it worth preserving, as a matter of ethics, but also as a matter of practice vital to the preservation of our way of life. Liberal democracy isn't a fluke occurrence that just so happens to have survived despite its drawbacks. It's actually a superior method of organizing a state. The idea that the country is being run by people who don't understand that is sad and frightening. The idea that the very same people claim to be embarked upon a grand mission to spread our system of government around the world is like a horrible tawdry joke, but doubly frightening in its own way.
http://www.matthewyglesias.com/archives/20..._investigation/ (http://www.matthewyglesias.com/archives/2006/09/torture_as_investigation/)

colonelguppy
28th September 2006, 03:16
if torture was an effective way of interogating i wouldn't mind using it. i think there are better ways.

Alexander Hamilton
28th September 2006, 15:38
Personally, the only justifyable use of torture is where the bad guy has left a bomb somewhere, you know it is so, and it's going to go off by noon. In such a specific instance, torture would be an option. But that's just my opinion.


A. Hamilton