The legality of psychedelics

[DopedUpFarmBoy]

Personally, I think any weed, seed, herb, or flower should be available for legal purchase and consumption. Poison (i.e. tobacco & liquor) is readily available yet eye opening fruit of the earth is set apart. This is bad enough but the fact that marijuana has never directly killed anyone, ever and tobacco kills millions a year is the icing on the cake. Shouldn't a 'drug' be outlawed based on it lethalness? I would like to hear your opinions on this subject.

[Eleutherios]

No drugs should be outlawed. If somebody wants to ingest weed, shrooms, coke, heroin, Drano or cyanide, it's their body and their decision to make, not mine. Besides, prohibition doesn't actually do a whole lot to decrease the use of drugs. There's a reason alcohol prohibition failed, and there's a reason drug prohibition is also failing.

Excuse me while I take a giant bong hit.

[Dyst]

This is bad enough but the fact that marijuana has never directly killed anyone, ever and tobacco kills millions a year is the icing on the cake.

Hahaha. Excuse me while I roll on the floor and laugh.

Sorry, but I think that statement is very wrong. Even if it is indirectly doesn't make it less harmfull.

Anyways, I recognize that people should be allowed to do what suits them the most, in most possible situations. But I also recognize that ALOT of people get addicted and basically die because of drugs.

So I am not so sure. Marijuana is okay I guess.

[Sentinel]

Well, I'm of the position that no authorities should exist with the power to get into people's bodies and decide what's allowed to be there. Everyone has been 'provided' with one body and it's their right to do whatever they please with it as long as they don't harm others while at it.

Moreover I'm fairly confident that this issue will sort of solve itself. When a society more satisfying for human beings to live in is established, less will take refuge to drugs to the extent it'll become a problem for them.

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Drug usage is not always just an escape from your troubles, though - not always at all.

[colonelguppy]

Shouldn't a 'drug' be outlawed based on it lethalness?

no, drugs shouldn't be outlawed at all.

[Orange Juche]

Drug prohibition creates a black market.

A black market creates drug dealers.

Drug dealing creates a wealthy income.

Poverty creates young people who choose a nice income selling drugs, versus working at McDonalds.

And the ruling class loves this, because it keeps people (especially young African people) at the bottom, and it keeps them criminalized.

[DopedUpFarmBoy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 10:00 AM

This is bad enough but the fact that marijuana has never directly killed anyone, ever and tobacco kills millions a year is the icing on the cake.

Hahaha. Excuse me while I roll on the floor and laugh.

Sorry, but I think that statement is very wrong. Even if it is indirectly doesn't make it less harmfull.

Anyways, I recognize that people should be allowed to do what suits them the most, in most possible situations. But I also recognize that ALOT of people get addicted and basically die because of drugs.

So I am not so sure. Marijuana is okay I guess.

From '10 Things Every Parent, Teenager & Teacher Should Know About Marijuana' by The Family Council on Drug Awareness
5 Q. Has Anyone Ever Died From Smoking Marijuana?

A. No; not one single case, not ever. THC is one of the few chemicals for which there is no known toxic amount [10]. The federal agency NIDA says that autopsies reveal that 75 people per year are high on marijuana when they die: this does not mean that marijuana caused or was even a factor in their deaths. The chart below compares the number of deaths attributable to selected substances in a typical year:

Tobacco...............................340,000 - 395,000

Alcohol (excluding crime/accidents).............125,000+

Drug Overdose (prescription)............24,000 - 27,000

Drug Overdose (illegal)...................3,800 - 5,200

Marijuana......................................... ....0

*Source: U.S. Government Bureau of Mortality Statistics, 1987

10. Source: All univerity medical studies: UCLA, Harvard, Temple, etc.

[VonClausewitz]

Why are leftists always so sure that legalising drugs would be a fine and dandy thing to do ? Laws aren't made just to stop you having a good time you know.

And that 'no-one ever died from weed' thing is a bunch of crap. You can twist numbers to say anything, hell, even to say that AIDS isn't all that pandemic really. People are destroyed by weed, and you're a fool if you ignore that.

[Avtomatov]

Hey, if pot is healthier then tobacco, why dont we take pot with no thc and put nicotine in it and put it in a cigarrette? Wouldnt that save lives?

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 08:04 PM
People are destroyed by weed
Who?

The only thing destroyed by weed is a lawn.

[Avtomatov]

Well he is right you know. The question i have, is it the thc that makes you stupid or is it something else in there?

[Sentinel]

Originally posted by s3rna+--> (s3rna) Drug usage is not always just an escape from your troubles, though - not always at all.[/b]

Ahh well for me it is. Troubles being: Encountering lots of idiots on a daily basis. Who the fuck can handle that being sober allthetime and still be in his right mind? So I do this stuff on evenings.

It sorta rocks my world and prepares me for another day with these dudes.


Avtomatov
Hey, if pot is healthier then tobacco, why dont we take pot with no thc and put nicotine in it and put it in a cigarrette? Wouldnt that save lives?

Because that would be a cigarette??? :o

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Seriously though, nicotine isn't that harmful in itself. It's just addictive as fuck. It's the tar and carbon monoxide in the cigarettes that cause cancer.. So in that way, smoking hash blended with tobacco is still dangerous.. but I don't give a fuck being, 25 years old and all. In a few years it could become a problem for me, but not yet. :D

[Avtomatov]

Seriously though, nicotine isn't that harmful in itself. It's just addictive as fuck. It's the tar and carbon monoxide in the cigarettes that cause cancer.. So in that way, smoking hash blended with tobacco is still dangerous.. but I don't give a fuck being, 25 years old and all. In a few years it could become a problem for me, but not yet.

No no no, you misunderstood me. I meant put it in a cigarette paper with a filter... It would be a substitute for tobacco cigarettes.

Since everyone is saying pot is less harmful.

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 02:15 AM
Since everyone is saying pot is less harmful.
Tobacco is only more harmful than marijuana because the chemicals the company's add to the cigarettes, cigars, etc. for added flavoring, and such, tobacco by itself would probably be equivalent to marijuana, just it doesn't get you high like marijuana does.

Topic;

I think some drugs should be legal like marijuana, natural drugs, and LSD should be legal, however I am very weary about more dangerous drugs like coke, and other such drugs, they seem to be more harm than good.

[Eleutherios]

Well, locking people up in cages for having these substances isn't going to solve anything. Sick people don't get cured in jail.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

Drugs certainly should be legalized, but their usage should not be encouraged. Marijuana does have harmful effects. I think it is on the lungs, mainly, if I recall correctly. I do have to admit the idea that marijuana has not killed someone directly is funny. Has smoking killed someone directly? Did they choke to death on the cig or something?

[TheReturnofFarmBoy]

Originally posted by Scarlet Hammer+Sep 27 2006, 03:02 AM--> (Scarlet Hammer @ Sep 27 2006, 03:02 AM)
[email protected] 27 2006, 02:15 AM
Since everyone is saying pot is less harmful.
Tobacco is only more harmful than marijuana because the chemicals the company's add to the cigarettes, cigars, etc. for added flavoring, and such, tobacco by itself would probably be equivalent to marijuana, just it doesn't get you high like marijuana does.

Topic;

I think some drugs should be legal like marijuana, natural drugs, and LSD should be legal, however I am very weary about more dangerous drugs like coke, and other such drugs, they seem to be more harm than good. [/b]
This guy gets what I'm saying. I smoke Cigars every now and then and I'm just fine with that. I wouldn't want to smoke cigs though. More harmful substances should be controlled; who decides what's "harmful"?

[LoneRed]

Also millions havent died from tobacco, thousands have, and most of those deaths are from packaged cigarrettes, not hand rolled. Hand rolled aren't good for you, but are less harmful than packaged cigarrettes, as things like marlboro are made mostly out of shredded paper mixed with tobacoo. Not to mention tons of chemicals added.

[Comrade J]

Alcohol-related problems costs billions each year here in Britain, whether it be liver disease, bottle smashed over the head, alcoholic addiction etc. and yet it is legal.

So why should cannabis, LSD etc be illegal? LSD for example, is not toxic to the body, and isn't addictive, and people just take it to have a good time.
Same for cannabis, people smoke it for the pleasure of it, and I've never heard a case where they've then gone and attacked somebody or something along those lines.

It just shows what an absolute farce the law is when it comes to illegal substances.

In fact, although I'm not a fan of The Streets, this song sums it up quite well:



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[Drinker]
Hello, Hello
My name's Terry and I'm a law-abider
There's nothing I like more than getting fired up on beer
And when the weekend's here
I exercise my right to get paralytic and fight
Good bloke fairly
But I get well leery when geezers look at me funny
Bounce 'em round like bunnies
I'm likely to cause mischief
Good clean grief you must believe
And I ain't no thief, law-abiding and all, all legal
And who cares about my liver when it feels good?
What you need is some real manhood
Rasher, Rasher, burning cash up
Putting people's backs up
Public disorder, I'll give you public disorder
I down eight pints and run all over the place
Spit in the face of an officer
See if that bothers ya
'Cause I never broke a law in my life
Some day I'm gonna settle down with a wife
Come on lads let's have another fight

[Marijuana Smoker]
Um, Hello
My name's Tim and I'm a criminal
In the eyes of society I need to be in jail
For the choice of herbs I inhale
This ain't no wholesale operation
Just a few eighths and some Playstation's my vocation
I pose a threat to the nation
And down at the station the police hold no patience
Let's talk space and time
I like to get deep sometimes
And think about Einstein and Carl Jung
And old Kung Fu movies I like to see
Pass the hydrator please
Yeah, I'm floating on thin air
Going to Amsterdam in the New Year - top gear there
'Cause I take pride in my hobby
Home-made bongs using my engineering degree
"Dear leaders, please legalize weed for these reasons."

[Drinker]
Like I was saying to him
I told him, "F**k with me and you won't live."
So I smacked him in the head and downed another Carling
Bada Bada Bing
For the lad's like, mad fight
His face a sad sight, Vodka and Snake Bite
Going on like a right geez
He's a twat!
Shouldn't have looked at me like that
Anyway, I'm an upstanding citizen
If a war came along I'd be on the front line with 'em
Can't stand crime either, them hooligans on heroin
Drugs and criminals
Those thugs are the pinnacle of the downfall of society
I've got all the anger pent up inside of me

[Marijuana Smoker]
You know, I don't see why I should be the criminal
How can something with no recorded fatalities be illegal?
And how many deaths are there per year from alcohol?
I just completed Gran Turismo on the hardest setting
We pose no threat on my setee
Ooh the pizza's here, will someone let him in please?
We didn't order chicken
Not a problem, we'll pick it out
I doubt they meant to mess us about
After all we're all adults, not louts
As I was saying, we're friendly peaceful people
We're not the ones out there causing trouble
We just sit in this hazy bubble with our quarters
Discussing how beautiful Gail Porter is
MTV, BBC 2, Channel 4 is on until six in the morning
Then at six in the morning the sun dawns and it's my bedtime

[Drinker]
Causing trouble?!
Your stinking rabble boys
Saying I'm the lad who's spoiling it
You're on drugs
It really bugs me when people try and tell me I'm a thug
Just for getting drunk
I like getting drunk
'Cause I'm an upstanding citizen
If a war came along I'd be on the front line with 'em

[Marijuana Smoker]
Now Terry, you're repeating yourself
But that's okay, drunk people can't help that
A chemical reaction happening inside your brain causes you to forget what you're saying

[Drinker]
What?
I know exactly what I'm saying
I'm perfectly sane
You stinking student lame-o
Go get a job and stop robbing us of our taxes

[Marijuana Smoker]
Um, well actually according to research
Government funding for further education pales in insignificance
When compared to how much they spend on repairing leery drunk people at the weekend
In casualty wards all over the land

[Drinker]
Why you cheeky little swine, come here!
I'm gonna batter ya!
Come here!

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Why, why does every half-decent debate on drugs have to be contaminated by the lyrics to that utterly moronic song?

[ichneumon]

what if, just WHAT IF, there were a cure for addiction that absolutely worked?

Ibogaine page (http://www.ibogaine.net/)

it works - this is not a gimcrack pseudocure like methadone or quackery like B12 shots. this is written up in PubMed kinda research. the feds suppressed it for nearly 20yrs. and the really awful truth is that there are other drugs that have been around for decades that do the exact same thing - only they are not patentable anymore, so no one will pay to test and market them. what does this mean for the morality of the war on (some) drugs?

[Pirate Utopian]

im not about to do any dope, but i think all soft-drugs should be legal though

[Severian]

Originally posted by DopedUpFarmBoy+Sep 26 2006, 03:28 AM--> (DopedUpFarmBoy @ Sep 26 2006, 03:28 AM) Personally, I think any weed, seed, herb, or flower should be available for legal purchase and consumption. Poison (i.e. tobacco & liquor) is readily available yet eye opening fruit of the earth is set apart. [/b]
Tobacco is also a "natural" "herb". So are a lot of other poisonous things. So this is not a valid argument or approach.


[email protected] 26 2006, 08:21 AM
Well, I'm of the position that no authorities should exist with the power to get into people's bodies and decide what's allowed to be there.
A basically Libertarian argument. Argues that consenting adults have the right to consume any product the market cares to offer.

But in practice, it's necessary to regulate all kinds of products which are harmful. Including food and medicine, aka stuff that goes into people's bodies.

Psychoactive substances are not a special exception to this.

****

That said, there are plenty of good reasons to oppose the current draconian drug laws and favor a rational decriminalization. Treatment is a better approach to the problem.

The "war on drugs" is doing a lot more harm than drugs are. Huge numbers of people - mostly working people - are being locked up. Democratic rights are being eroded under the pretext of combatting the drug trade.

And the drug business is hugely profitable mostly because it's illegal.

[D_Bokk]

I really do not like escapism, espcially when taken to extremes. Doing something to forget your worries every once in a while is okay, so long as it doesn't come to the point where you no longer care to confront your worry. Nothing is more pathetic to me than looking at people who are high on weed every single day. That said, I use marijauna one a week, usually Saturday nights, unless I'm completely swamped with homework.

Anyone interested in a musical argument for legalization to end the drug lords should take a listen to Peruvian Cocaine:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZG3WAECT

[Pirate Utopian]

immortal technique is awesome

[D_Bokk]

Originally posted by Big Manifesto
immortal technique is awesome
Shhh! We don't want the politically correct police to flood the thread.

[BreadBros]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 01:50 AM
Hey, if pot is healthier then tobacco, why dont we take pot with no thc and put nicotine in it and put it in a cigarrette? Wouldnt that save lives?
He wasn't talking about the plant matter, imbecile. Nicotine is physically addictive, THC is not. THC provides a stronger psychoactive effect with a smaller dose than nicotine, ergo one joint = less smoke than the multiple amount of cigarettes most smokers smoke in a day.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I really don't know much about the drug thing. It's simply not on my radar of what in and ins't important.

There appear to be some here who believe that if it comes out of the ground, you should be able to do what you want with it and your body.

I don't nkow if I agree with that or not, but as there are more than a few countries who don't follow the U.S., and in fact often do the oposide of what it would want, via the State Department, the wuestion that comes to mind is "What do thiese countries do about these drugs.

What I'm getting at here is that if the U.S. and her allies, and the enemies of America neither produce a nation where such usage is legal, it makes you wonder.

Also, what do Cuba and Venezuela do when it comes to drug laws of these kind?

They are probably, from the forum's point of view, the most "progressive" of nations. Is there a mre liberal access and usage policy in these countries?

A.H.

[LSD]

But in practice, it's necessary to regulate all kinds of products which are harmful. Including food and medicine, aka stuff that goes into people's bodies.

Psychoactive substances are not a special exception to this.

Obviously there needs to be regulation on what kind of products can be sold and marketed, but I see no reason for the state to be involved in what adults choose to posess.

Laws against consuming or carrying specific substances are oppressive by their nature and have absolutely nothing to do with propper drug regulation.

If wanted to, I could legally brew virtually any substance in my bathtub, poisonous or otherwise; but if that same substance were to, say, get me high, suddenly I'm breaking the law.

That's not "nescessary regulation", it's moral imperialism.

[Alexander Hamilton]

After reading what Ace write, I realized how weird the issue of drugs is. In the United States it was the "liberal" and social progressives of the early 1900's, mostly democrats and some bordering on socialism who pushed for laws against unregulated drugs. They wanted drug regulation to protect people. What Ace wrote could have easily been written by a liberatarian.

What about minors brewing up such things? What about minors getting high? Should parents be able to protect their kids from drugs?

What about child labor? What if a 12 year old wants to work a day job? Leave school?

What about helmet laws fro motorcycles. They were created to protect society from the expense of accidents treated in society funded emergency rooms.

What about drug adiction and its effects on my life? I didn't benefit from your getting stoned, or shooting uop, but your shooting up rushed you to an emergency room and I have to pay for it. (In the U.S., at an emergency room for a trama, you are treated first, then asked afterward what caused it, and how you'll pay for it. If you can't pay for it, society has to. That doesn fit into the socialist model, but doesn't the state have a say, then, in what conduct you might do that would bring you to an emergency room?

Should I be able to manufacture TNT in my home w/out regulation? Kill ants, society says yes. Kill mmice, probably. Kill dogd, society says no.

It's a a big mess when you begin to regulate based on morals, but there are megative results from not doing so.

It is a far more complex issue as you being to think about it.


A. Hamilton

[Eleutherios]

I can safely say the fact that I'm smoking marijuana from my pipe right now has absolutely no effect whatsoever on your life or anybody else's. It's late at night, nobody is around, and I'm definitely not going to go to the emergency room because I'm getting stoned and listening to some good music.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Thank you for totally ignoring the issues I've raised.

I am currently making exlposives in my home. I am hurting no one as I listen to fine music and do not plan to take it out of my home or light any matches.

A.H.

[cormacobear]

www.cannabisculture.com for North america.

google NORML for US.

Marijuana prohibition of marijuana is more hamfull to society than the drug is. studied and proven by two Canadian senate investigations; and a dozen other countries with the courage to stand in the face of the DEA (who'll aerial spray toxic pesticides over foreign countries without regard to law or life). However all compounds must be obtained from natural substances and many are potentialy fatal and outrageously addictive these need more regulation and border control.

and again the fight to legalize marijuana is just a small part of the greater fight for human rights and freedom.

[Nazi_Punks_Fuck_Off]

I think that all drugs should be legal, after all, it's our choice.
but
"This is bad enough but the fact that marijuana has never directly killed anyone, ever and tobacco kills millions a year is the icing on the cake."
Marijuana may not have directly killed but it is still unhealthy in overproportianate amounts...

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by Ace [email protected] 30 2006, 09:31 PM

But in practice, it's necessary to regulate all kinds of products which are harmful. Including food and medicine, aka stuff that goes into people's bodies.

Psychoactive substances are not a special exception to this.

Obviously there needs to be regulation on what kind of products can be sold and marketed, but I see no reason for the state to be involved in what adults choose to posess.

Laws against consuming or carrying specific substances are oppressive by their nature and have absolutely nothing to do with propper drug regulation.

If wanted to, I could legally brew virtually any substance in my bathtub, poisonous or otherwise; but if that same substance were to, say, get me high, suddenly I'm breaking the law.

That's not "nescessary regulation", it's moral imperialism.
wait why should you be able to use said drugs but suddenly when it comes to exchange the government needs to step in?

[Rex]

I like to think of it not in the sense that drugs should be legalized, but that drugs shouldn't be illegal.

[LSD]

wait why should you be able to use said drugs but suddenly when it comes to exchange the government needs to step in?

Because when money's involved, people will do nearly anything. And whether it's lacing coke with rat poison or dliuting aspirin, someone needs to be there to reign in the "free market".

That's why institutions like the FTA and FDA exist and it's why drug safety is so much higher now than 150 years ago.

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by Ace [email protected] 3 2006, 06:52 PM
Because when money's involved, people will do nearly anything. And whether it's lacing coke with rat poison or dliuting aspirin, someone needs to be there to reign in the "free market".

That's why institutions like the FTA and FDA exist and it's why drug safety is so much higher now than 150 years ago.
that and people who sell goods that hurt people end up going out of business or cleaning up their act. look at jack and the box.

a person who sells weed laced with angel dust under the pretext that its weed should be prosecuted for consumer fraud, i hold no objection to the government stepping in there.

[bezdomni]

Thank you for totally ignoring the issues I've raised.

They were ignored because they are irrelevent to the issue of drug legality.



I am currently making exlposives in my home. I am hurting no one as I listen to fine music and do not plan to take it out of my home or light any matches.

Marijuana is not used to blow people up.

[Koji Ishiguro]

Originally posted by Alexander [email protected] 30 2006, 11:50 PM
I am currently making exlposives in my home. I am hurting no one as I listen to fine music and do not plan to take it out of my home or light any matches.

A.H.
And you know what that's fine... So long as your production method doesn't harm others around you, and you won't use those explosives to harm others go ahead and do what you want. You can use those explosives in an empty field where it wouldn't harm anyone if you want. In fact you could you those explosives to blow yourself up in an open field where you wouldn't harm anyone else if you wanted.

The key here is that you don't harm others. But you're allowed to harm yourself if you want.

[Purple]

Weed is a central-stimulant, which means that it goes straight up into your brain and fucks you up. I've personally seen the effect on a large quantity of friends after a long-period use, and it is not good. Laziness and indifference being the key terms. Personally, I believe that you should respect your body more, and take advantage of the more profound edges that life has to offer. Like singing, or drawing, or educating yourself....

But of course we need more weed smoking commies in an even more stereotyping society, eh?

:rolleyes:

[colonelguppy]

thats not fair, weed effects everyone differently, for osme it helps them concentrate.

[D_Bokk]

Originally posted by Purple+--> (Purple) Weed is a central-stimulant, which means that it goes straight up into your brain and fucks you up. I've personally seen the effect on a large quantity of friends after a long-period use, and it is not good. Laziness and indifference being the key terms. Personally, I believe that you should respect your body more, and take advantage of the more profound edges that life has to offer. Like singing, or drawing, or educating yourself....

But of course we need more weed smoking commies in an even more stereotyping society, eh?[/b]
He's right, but only if people smoke a lot. Moderate usage isn't harmful.

colonelguppy
thats not fair, weed effects everyone differently, for osme it helps them concentrate.
I HIGHLY doubt this. They probably *think* it helps them concentrate and that's the only reason why. Shit, I can't concentrate enough to make a coherent post on a message board when I'm high... so I usually just bust out the video games.

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 04:59 PM
I HIGHLY doubt this. They probably *think* it helps them concentrate and that's the only reason why. Shit, I can't concentrate enough to make a coherent post on a message board when I'm high... so I usually just bust out the video games.
yeah same here, but alot of my friends seem to get ultra-creative when they're high, and i'm pretty sure i've heard of studies where they've used it semi-effectively as an ADD treatment.

i personally don't enjoy it at all, i'd rather just get piss-drunk.

[bezdomni]

Weed is a central-stimulant, which means that it goes straight up into your brain and fucks you up. I've personally seen the effect on a large quantity of friends after a long-period use, and it is not good. Laziness and indifference being the key terms. Personally, I believe that you should respect your body more, and take advantage of the more profound edges that life has to offer. Like singing, or drawing, or educating yourself....
No offense, but watching your friends smoke pot does not count as a scientific study...so this story that every anti-drug person seems to have about "losing someone to drugs" or something, while sad, is scientifically and statistically uninteresting.

I've been smoking pot for a long period of time, and I live perfectly fine. I'm pretty self-motivated, I educate myself, I write poetry and I am going to university as a physics major. Certainly not that "lazy and indifferent" straw-man you want to create.

The fact is, marijuana use effects everybody differently. I can smoke marijuana and live a reasonably good life, and I don't want anybody to tell me that I can't. My goal is to break that stereotype of the lazy pothead, not the stereotype of the leftist person who smokes pot (the one you seem to dislike). There is nothing wrong with smoking marijuana, deal with it.

Hell, Richard Feynman was a pothead. Are you going to tell me that the guy who discovered Quantum Electrodynamics was a lazy and unmotivated stoner? :P

[just a dreamer]

the fact is that marijuana is less addictive than cofee, and better for you than ciggaretees, over 90% of car crashes that involved marijuana also involved alcohol, and besides weed is a pickerupper, t allows you to feel good about youurself despite current situations, if you drink, it just makes you feel worse...and whats wrong with shrooms, don't panic it's organic, i agree with the fist post, right on man