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Felicia
26th September 2006, 03:11
If there is already a thread discussing scientology, forgive me.

**Disclaimer: I am not a Scientologist!**

For those of you who don't know (and that would be everyone because I haven't told anyone, lol) I filled out an online personality test with the Church of Scientology upon receiving a link from a friend. This led to the local Scientology Centre calling me, wanting to set up an appointment to 'discuss' my results. So, hesitantly I agreed, along with said friend, to go to the church to 'discuss' our results, we went together so she could keep me from getting brainwashed (jokingly). Unfortunately, according to this test, I'm in the 'normal' range according to their beliefs (i don't know how 'normal' is good in this case- jk), but I'm slightly on the irresponsible side. This is what I've learned...



Dianetics, taken from the official Church of Scientology Website (http://www.scientology.org/)

Dianetics comes from the Greek words dia (through) and nous (soul). Dianetics could be said to be what the soul is doing to the body. It provides answers to the fundamental riddles of the mind with a thoroughly validated method that increases sanity, intelligence, confidence and well-being. It gets rid of the unwanted sensations, unpleasant emotions and psychosomatic ills that block one's life and happiness. Dianetics rests on basic principles that can be easily learned and applied by any reasonably intelligent person—as millions have. It is the route to a well, happy, high IQ human being.

Dianetics addresses the part of the mind that operates below the conscious level, exerting a hidden influence that causes you to react irrationally, say and do things that "aren't you," and have inexplicable emotions and ills that hold back intelligence and ability. It all resolves with Dianetics.


Dianetics is the book, written by L. Ron Hubbard, that more-or-less kick started the Scientology 'religion'. I use quotes because it doesn't seem to be a religious institution but more a self-help organization. Scientology, meaning 'the study of truth' focuses on a few fundimental truths (their fundimental truths are not absolute truths in the grand scheme of things, so don't confuse their meanings :P). That 'man' is an immortal, spiritual being. The experience of 'man' is not limited to our lifetime, but extends well beyond (so basicly the idea of reincarnation). One's capabilities are unlimited and can be realized if not so already. 'Man' is capable of solving his own problems and attaining a higher state of awareness, ability and happyness. Personally I don't like how they use 'man' when speaking of individual persons, I'd much rather them use some kind of gender neutral term.

The focus of this religion seems to be primarily based on self-help, self awareness and accepting of differences. Scientology does not preach that their religion is the right way, nor that all their beliefs are truths for everyone in the 'religion'. They preach learning the methods of dianetics and self improvement and deciding for yourself whether these methods are truths for yourself. Also, there is no 'god' in this belief system, no heaven or hell.

The Church of Scientology also contributes to literacy projects all aroun the world and are apart of many organizations doing good. I watched an hour long video while I was there, the man doing the talking had a funny little smile... note the cameras darted to celebrities in the audience, one being Tom Cruise. Here is a page detailing their activities (http://www.scientology.org/en_US/world/index.html) (I admit, I was quite impressed!). They also offer a lot of self-help programs (with a cost, no doubt).

Now here comes my issues with their system set-up. A big thing they emphasize is that they are not a religion that is followed by their members blindly. Now, the way their heirarcy is set up (to my understanding) is that one must take classes to advance in the religion, not only to advance but to discover more of the 'religions' secrets. One is sworn to protect the secrets of the religion, there have been 'leaks' in the past, of people who have taken the courses, claiming the religion belives that some of us are inhabited by extraterrestrial souls. How can they believe that a person is not following 'blindly' when they begin, they are unaware of much of the religion's beliefs, then discover these other beliefs later on? This is deceptive! These people who released this information were not sued for liable, but for releasing private information, things like that, nothing to indicate that the information was false.

bah, any thoughts on Scientology? I want a reasonable discussion, not shit like 'all religion is stupid' thanks.

Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor
26th September 2006, 03:29
Scientology is the epitome of a corrupt religion. It is capitalizing on faith to make a profit and take over the world or something along those lines, I imagine. Look up what how much economic power Scientology has. It will scare you.

Sentinel
26th September 2006, 04:05
It's a nice fairytale made to sound very serious by using 'scientific language' but before they choose to present proof for what they're saying, it's not worthy a serious discussion in my opinion. :(

It's effects as an organised religion are a different story obviously -- it's what seems like some sort of hypnotic brainwashing of people to pay the church money, and so on, should be fiercely condemned and exposed by communists of all categories as the abuse it is.

In a communist society it would not be possible anymore, though.

Cryotank Screams
26th September 2006, 04:23
Scientology is one of the saddest religions of them all; a religion crafted by a science-fiction writer, solely to get money out of people, and yet people lap at this idiocy and think it's this "divine," path, I mean he said;

"Make money. Make more money. Make other people make money."

"We are slowly and carefully teaching the unholy a lesson. It is as follows: We are not a law enforcement agency. BUT we will become interested in the crimes of people who seek to stop us. If you oppose scientology we promptly look up - and find and expose - your crimes. If you leave us alone we will leave you alone. It’s very simple. Even a fool can grasp that. And don't underrate our ability to carry it out."

I guess it's true, a suckers born every minute.

RevMARKSman
26th September 2006, 04:26
This really sums it up:

http://sciorly.ytmnd.com

I'm still laughing at the people who believe in this bullshit.

Don't Change Your Name
26th September 2006, 04:49
MANDATORY LINK (http://www.xenu.net/)


Originally posted by Felicia
For those of you who don't know (and that would be everyone because I haven't told anyone, lol) I filled out an online personality test with the Church of Scientology upon receiving a link from a friend. This led to the local Scientology Centre calling me, wanting to set up an appointment to 'discuss' my results. So, hesitantly I agreed, along with said friend, to go to the church to 'discuss' our results, we went together so she could keep me from getting brainwashed (jokingly). Unfortunately, according to this test, I'm in the 'normal' range according to their beliefs (i don't know how 'normal' is good in this case- jk), but I'm slightly on the irresponsible side. This is what I've learned...

I think those tests are rigged so it always looks like you have a "problem" or so...


New religions have appeared and they are also crap...people who is desperate "to believe in something" should face the truth already.

ComradeOm
27th September 2006, 15:18
This thread (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=55527) isn't the most informative but it might still be of use. If nothing else it sums up my position - Scientology is bullshit but its still a "proper" religion.

Edit: This thread (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=46976) is useful. It contains an extremely interesting article on the subject

encephalon
27th September 2006, 15:25
Scientology actually started with a bet between L. Ron Hubbard and someone else (can't remember their name). The bet was that Hubbard couldn't make up a religion that people would follow; hubbard claimed that he could, especially since he could weave a pretty decent scifi tale.

Guess who lost? --humanity.

Felicia
27th September 2006, 19:13
yeah, I agree the religion was created soley to make money.

However I think the concept of self improvement is a good idea. On it's own, not with a religion.

Zero
27th September 2006, 20:17
I have a little bit of sympathy for the people who loose thier money... and devote their life to it...

But really, when I take a look at it, these people are bound to get their money suckered away from them at some point. Mr. Hubbered was a fucking science fiction author! And he was quoted as saying that the easiest way to make money would be to start a religion!

Patchd
3rd October 2006, 00:34
And he was quoted as saying that the easiest way to make money would be to start a religion!
I thought it was the Raelian guy who said that.

Zero
3rd October 2006, 07:52
Originally posted by "L. Ron Hubbard"
If you want to make a little money, write a book. If you want to make a lot of money, create a religion.

Link (http://en.thinkexist.com/quotes/l._ron_hubbard/4.html)

Darth Revan
6th October 2006, 02:49
I doubt Scientology can be considered a religion its a cult of morons who believe in Some xenu guy i read some of the stuff looks like a bad science fiction story its only a scam of making money in order to achieve the highest rank you must pay(for all the lessons books and other stuff) 100000 dollars you cant become a pope by paying money I think that whoever believes in Scientology is a brainless moron Lucky for me its banned in my Country

Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor
6th October 2006, 05:40
Originally posted by Darth [email protected] 5 2006, 04:50 PM
I doubt Scientology can be considered a religion its a cult of morons who believe in Some xenu guy i read some of the stuff looks like a bad science fiction story its only a scam of making money in order to achieve the highest rank you must pay(for all the lessons books and other stuff) 100000 dollars you cant become a pope by paying money I think that whoever believes in Scientology is a brainless moron Lucky for me its banned in my Country
The phrase "cult of morons" is particularly accurate. It is that characteristic that makes calling it a religion so appropriate.

Darth Revan
6th October 2006, 12:56
Originally posted by Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor+Oct 6 2006, 02:41 AM--> (Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor @ Oct 6 2006, 02:41 AM)
Darth [email protected] 5 2006, 04:50 PM
I doubt Scientology can be considered a religion its a cult of morons who believe in Some xenu guy i read some of the stuff looks like a bad science fiction story its only a scam of making money in order to achieve the highest rank you must pay(for all the lessons books and other stuff) 100000 dollars you cant become a pope by paying money I think that whoever believes in Scientology is a brainless moron Lucky for me its banned in my Country
The phrase "cult of morons" is particularly accurate. It is that characteristic that makes calling it a religion so appropriate. [/b]
I know religion is for morons to but Scientology doesnt even look like a religion i mean Ron Hubbard was AN SCEINCE FICTON WRITER and some of the things they believe seem a lot more irrational that other religions one big Scam

Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor
7th October 2006, 08:31
Originally posted by Darth Revan+Oct 6 2006, 02:57 AM--> (Darth Revan @ Oct 6 2006, 02:57 AM)
Originally posted by Dooga Aetrus [email protected] 6 2006, 02:41 AM

Darth [email protected] 5 2006, 04:50 PM
I doubt Scientology can be considered a religion its a cult of morons who believe in Some xenu guy i read some of the stuff looks like a bad science fiction story its only a scam of making money in order to achieve the highest rank you must pay(for all the lessons books and other stuff) 100000 dollars you cant become a pope by paying money I think that whoever believes in Scientology is a brainless moron Lucky for me its banned in my Country
The phrase "cult of morons" is particularly accurate. It is that characteristic that makes calling it a religion so appropriate.
I know religion is for morons to but Scientology doesnt even look like a religion i mean Ron Hubbard was AN SCEINCE FICTON WRITER and some of the things they believe seem a lot more irrational that other religions one big Scam [/b]
Not really. It is just we have become more cultured into believing that those religions are somehow less irrational. Probably because even other religions make fun of scientology.

Darth Revan
7th October 2006, 13:13
scientologist are a bunch of moneygrabing liars when you do the test to be accepted into their cult they say that Scientology is compatible with other religions and you can celebrate Christmas Hanuka and other hollidays but after you join they forbid you to engage in any kind of ritual that's not of Scientology There also the Fair Game law that if somebody leaves the Church of Scientology the members are allowed to do what ever they want with him really fucked up bastards hope they all get run over by a truck i cant believe there are actually people that join that cult

Zero
7th October 2006, 20:49
Originally posted by Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor+Oct 7 2006, 05:32 AM--> (Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor @ Oct 7 2006, 05:32 AM)
Originally posted by Darth [email protected] 6 2006, 02:57 AM

Originally posted by Dooga Aetrus [email protected] 6 2006, 02:41 AM

Darth [email protected] 5 2006, 04:50 PM
I doubt Scientology can be considered a religion its a cult of morons who believe in Some xenu guy i read some of the stuff looks like a bad science fiction story its only a scam of making money in order to achieve the highest rank you must pay(for all the lessons books and other stuff) 100000 dollars you cant become a pope by paying money I think that whoever believes in Scientology is a brainless moron Lucky for me its banned in my Country
The phrase "cult of morons" is particularly accurate. It is that characteristic that makes calling it a religion so appropriate.
I know religion is for morons to but Scientology doesnt even look like a religion i mean Ron Hubbard was AN SCEINCE FICTON WRITER and some of the things they believe seem a lot more irrational that other religions one big Scam
Not really. It is just we have become more cultured into believing that those religions are somehow less irrational. Probably because even other religions make fun of scientology. [/b]
That is because we cannot 100% proove that the Christian religion is false outside of rational thought. The writings of Mr. Hubberd are so physically impossible that its not even funny. Such as planes flying in space thousands of years before AD.

Pirate Utopian
7th October 2006, 20:50
you forgot the realistic aliensouls <_<

LSD
7th October 2006, 22:37
The fascinating thing about Scientology is not so much its "theories", which are obviously crap, but the methods its chosen to use over the years to promote them.

In the 1960s when religion was out of favour and science was all the rave, Hubbard adamently denied that his creation was a religion of any sort and insisted 100% that it was "a science".

But now that religion&#39;s become "cool" again, Church leaders like David Miscavige ardently present themselves as a religion and demand every "religious right" that other "faiths" are provided with.

Now, objectively speaking, those who follow Scientology are obviously believers and so Scientology itself is clearly a religion of some sort, but considering that it only has something like 100,000 members worldwide, it&#39;s a rather insignificant one.

What&#39;s far more significant is what it tells us about our society; that we&#39;ve regressed so far in the past few decades that religion is now more lucrative than science and "religious leaders" are granted more "rights" than scientists.

Darth Revan
8th October 2006, 02:01
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishman/time-behar.html
http://www.xenutv.com/

wow those Scientology guys are sure a bunch of *beep*

Nothing Human Is Alien
8th October 2006, 02:06
That shit is almost as bad as falun gong.

Nothing Human Is Alien
8th October 2006, 02:08
Scientology actually started with a bet between L. Ron Hubbard and someone else (can&#39;t remember their name). The bet was that Hubbard couldn&#39;t make up a religion that people would follow; hubbard claimed that he could, especially since he could weave a pretty decent scifi tale.

Guess who lost? --humanity.

Post of the fucking year&#33;

Nothing Human Is Alien
8th October 2006, 02:10
They&#39;re always in New York in the subways with tables set up with these metal bars to give "free stress tests". I spit on one of them once when I was younger cause he wouldn&#39;t stop botherin me to take one.

We should have communists in the subways giving free "how bad did capitalism fuck you today?" tests.

Felicia
10th October 2006, 20:51
Originally posted by Compań[email protected] 7 2006, 08:11 PM


We should have communists in the subways giving free "how bad did capitalism fuck you today?" tests.
I second this one

Comrade J
11th October 2006, 23:42
The truth about Scientology (http://www.xenu.net/) - very informative site.