Bush is getting ready to hit Iran big time!

[reaper68]

Bush is getting ready to hit Iran! Keep in mind that if Bush hits Iran you're gas price are going to double and the entire economy will likely crash and we'lll probably go under total martial law. All for our safety of course. And I'm sure that right before we hit Iran the government will detonate a suitcase nuke and vaporize a major city and claim Iran did it. The only thing that can stop them now is for the American people to have the courage to face the fact that the government is carrying out terrorist attacks and announcing fake terror alerts for political gain. Just as Hitler did when he burned the Reichstag in 1933.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Pentagon...g_for_0921.html (http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Pentagon_moves_to_secondstage_planning_for_0921.ht ml)


Here are some examples of how Bush has benefited from terrorism in the past

Read this article out of the register that talks about how the British terror plot was likely fake.
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=21261
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/fl...let_terror_labs (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs)
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Sources_...oring_0918.html (http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Sources_August_Terror_Plot_Fiction_Underscoring_09 18.html)

The Daily Show Deconstructs Fed’s Miami Terrorists Hype
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8a4z9N3eYc

CNN's Anderson Cooper: Are Sears Tower Terrorists Patsies?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su2GaxvRLYE...%2Eprisonplanet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su2GaxvRLYE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eprisonplanet)

MSNBC's Countdown: Bush wanted to stage the shootdown of a UN plane to lure Saddam into war
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4D5MRkzPYA

MSNBC's Countdown The Nexus of Politics and Terror: Bush uses terrorism for political gains
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az7yl-UnsQQ

[Iseult_]

He'll wait until after the mid-terms if he's going to bomb Iran.

[Cryotank Screams]

Well aren’t you a conspiracy nut, :D . I mean come on, we all hate bush, but that is a tad out there and extreme don't you think?

[Janus]

Potential of an attack discussed here
http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...&hl=attack+Iran (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=48513&hl=attack+Iran)

and here

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=48406

[Dreckt]

I don't think they will attack Iran, at least not while they have problems in Afghanistan and Iraq. When that settles down, then maybe, but I'm still skeptical to any attack within the next 5 years...

[piet11111]

well i would not be surprised if they actually went to war with iran.
america's interests are not the same interests that the capitalists have.

for instance if america would go to war with iran they would suffer tremendous losses and lose a lot of political influence and military might.
the capitalists however would make billions by selling bombs and other military equipment.

they say the proletariat has no country but the same goes for the capitalists.
so dont assume the iran war wont happen anytime soon just because it would be bad for america.

[Guerrilla22]

The uS won't attack Iran, it doesn't have the capacity to right now. Sure the US could launch some kind of anticipatory strike, but all US defense doctrines and common sense say that you never attack another country without having the capacity to engage in a war and defeat that country.

[Marukusu]

The thing is that if USA won't attack Iran, the iranians will develop nuclear weapons and thus reduce the american would-be dominance of nuclear bombs even more, something that the US leaders would fear (while America proper is rather safe from the hypothetic iranian nukes, the US-puppet Israel and various US military bases and places of interest in the Middle East could be turned to ashes if Iran is provoked or treathened).

I've heard though that the iranian nuclear weapons deveolpment (now if they really are trying to develop nuclear weapons at all, we don't really know that to 100%) is years from complete.

[Pirate Utopian]

iran doesnt have nuclear weapons!, only paranoid westerners say so

[piet11111]

Originally posted by Big [email protected] 25 2006, 04:57 PM
iran doesnt have nuclear weapons!, only paranoid westerners say so
c'mon iran would be nuts if they would not go for nuclear weapons with the current american way of "politics"

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Keep in mind that if Bush hits Iran you're gas price are going to double and the entire economy will likely crash

I'd be more concerned of the situation of the Iranian people, not gas prices.

[Pirate Utopian]

Originally posted by piet11111+Sep 25 2006, 06:30 PM--> (piet11111 @ Sep 25 2006, 06:30 PM)
Big [email protected] 25 2006, 04:57 PM
iran doesnt have nuclear weapons!, only paranoid westerners say so
c'mon iran would be nuts if they would not go for nuclear weapons with the current american way of "politics" [/b]
iran is not capable of making nuclear weapons, the ir uranium isnt strong enough and they dont have enough for weapons

[Guerrilla22]

If they did develop nuclear weapons it would only be as a deterrent to US and Israeli aggression.

[piet11111]

hence why iran is going for uranium enrichment.
and refuse that the russians enrich uranium for them in such a way that the enriched uranium cant be used in nuclear bombs.

[Kez]

I dont think the US can do anythin in Iran, not even a proxy war

- No Public Support
- Would justify Iran beefing up its arms (nuclear)
- Would create another load of crazy mullahs in all western countries
- Would lose allies in Europe (especially at a time when NATO is becoming weaker and EU army becoming stronger)
- Logistically cannot stretch troops
- Needs to keep an eye out on Latin America
- Gas and Petroleum issues (Iran is in OPEC is it not? And chavez has already said it would help iran, firstly by in solidarity bumping up petroleum prices)
- No support from Turkey to start another war from their airfields

It can do a proxy war because

- No close neighbours other than israel
- Israel has enough problems

[Ambition to Learn]

Simple, I Have a Atom Bomb
- you have a Atom Bomb
who's stuped enough to fuck the world up?.
I Think Nukes are Good it prevents wars happining.
you bomb me i bomb u.. same threat.
Nothing will happin' don't be stuped.
if they start a war, there end up using nukes! fuck the political side of this. who'll wipe a hole population out? no one's sick enough! to do it.
(maybe a war) but bush's a hoe, he's taking orders from he's people above he's pimps, if he doesnt he get's ***** slapped. catch my simple ass drift, mind my spelling but THERE AINT GONNA BE A WAR.." Your Exagerating bigtime!..
SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE

[Dreckt]

On the other hand, since the US is such a warmongering country, they would get a new "great enemy" (like the USSR) to be "in war" with:


- No Public Support

True, but then the public can be defined as terrorists... ;)


- Would justify Iran beefing up its arms (nuclear)

More reason to send more troops to Iran and creating harsher laws so that people won't question what it is all about (money).


- Would create another load of crazy mullahs in all western countries

Good - the Middle East will become the new "eastern bloc". Also justifies patriot act 2, 3, 4 etc...


- Would lose allies in Europe (especially at a time when NATO is becoming weaker and EU army becoming stronger)

More enemy, more war - more money!


- Logistically cannot stretch troops

True...


- Needs to keep an eye out on Latin America

I don't think Latin America has anything to threaten the US with. It would be madness to invade it, yes, but they don't have nuclear weapons, Brazil and Mexico are both capitalist nations - that is, they don't "hate" the US like Venezuela does, even Bolivia is "home socialist", or rather social democratic, and last I heard Morales welcomes cooperation with the US. But maybe in the future, who knows?


- Gas and Petroleum issues (Iran is in OPEC is it not? And chavez has already said it would help iran, firstly by in solidarity bumping up petroleum prices)

True, but that's also why they need a "regime change" there...


- No support from Turkey to start another war from their airfields

Can be done... remember "either you're with us or you're with them"...

But, of course, this is just my crazy speculation... it is a fact that the US is the world's strongest power... but how far it would go is beyond me...


Simple, I Have a Atom Bomb
- you have a Atom Bomb
who's stuped enough to fuck the world up?.
I Think Nukes are Good it prevents wars happining.

Yes and no. But what happens when we have a person who has such a strong belief that he thinks god will help protect his country? What if that person decides that Israel really shouldn't be on the map anymore? That is the danger with having nukes. The bomb isn't dangerous - the person owning it is...

[Folk The System]

am i the only one who fears the iranian government as much as the american government? lets not forget that it's ran by a guy who "questions if the hollocaust actually happened". i think that if there WAS a US-Iran War, we'd certainly be looking at world war III. and if you ask me bush AND ahmadinejad would be equally to blame...

[Phalanx]

The Iranian government is certainly dangerous, repressive, and reactionary, but their capability to harm other humans is miles below Washington. Although Ahmadinejade is a Holocaust denier- which isn't excusable, and the fact that he's a world leader makes it scarier- Bush has shown that he isn't afraid to use his military might. Action here speaks greater than words.

[Tekun]

Kez summed it up perfectly....


On the other hand, since the US is such a warmongering country, they would get a new "great enemy" (like the USSR) to be "in war" with:

I doubt it, seeing how the USSR and Iran are completely different
In addition, they wouldn't be fighting a military or atomic foe like the USSR, they would have to engage in guerilla warfare a la Afghanistan, Iraq


True, but then the public can be defined as terrorists...

Somehow I don't get your drift...


More reason to send more troops to Iran and creating harsher laws so that people won't question what it is all about (money).

American troops are stretched to thin, plus most of the public is against the expansion of the Iraq war, and they would severly condemn or reject another war
If stricter laws were passed, they would impeach Bush or whover's in office, seeing how any stricter would definitely put freedom of speech at risk


Good - the Middle East will become the new "eastern bloc". Also justifies patriot act 2, 3, 4 etc...

Kez was referring to Western nations (UK, Germany, Canada, US,...)
A new war would definitely be condemned by almost everyone outside the White House regardless of the patriot act, unless of course another 9/11 happens and they pin it on Iran


More enemy, more war - more money!

Nope, never gonna happen
The US won't attack a member of the EU, that's political suicide


Regarding Latin America, I agree with you
The US is aware of the situation in Latin America, but they're not really focused on them, as much as they are on the Middle East

I also concurr when it comes to the Oil and Petroleum issue...that's what the imperialists base their aggression on

And you're right about Turkey and bases from where to launch attacks, any pawn in outhern Europe or Eurasia will acquiesce to American demands
Im thinking Saudi Arabia or Oman

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by Folk The [email protected] 26 2006, 12:05 AM
am i the only one who fears the iranian government as much as the american government? lets not forget that it's ran by a guy who "questions if the hollocaust actually happened". i think that if there WAS a US-Iran War, we'd certainly be looking at world war III. and if you ask me bush AND ahmadinejad would be equally to blame...
Yeah, any theocracy is a danger to the common good will of man, religion= oppression, especially when injected into politics. However, ahmadinejad is full of rhetoric, most of which he can't back up by force. As far as questioning the Jewish holocaust, yeah its awful, however Mel Gibson also denies the Jewish holocaust happened, and I assume the American holocaust as well, and I'm pretty sure nobody feels threatned by him.