apathy maybe
24th September 2006, 16:14
Originally posted by Anarchist Freedom+--> (Anarchist Freedom)How can we acheive our goal of a anti capitalist society? I have been pondering this question with much thought. It confuses me as to how we can plan to acheive this, When we never seem to do anything. Its not that we arent getting to our goals its that I
feel that we have so many problems with infighting and disagreements that never get anything done. Our ideologies clash more then we do with the real problem the capitalists. Our goal has become ideological and not enough working together to get what we know has to be done. Just because a Marxist disagrees with a trot doesnt mean that they cant work together. Same for anarchists, We focus too much on our ideology then we do anti capitalism.[/b]I see your point, but I tend to disagree. Yes there is disagreement and infighting, but there is also significant working together in different places as well. While anarchists might disagree with the methods and thought of some Marxists, it does not mean that they do not work together for tactical purposes for short-term gain.
Besides, our aims have always been ideological. As an anarchists I do not want to see (actually I do not think it is possible) an anarchistic society brought about from the top down. However, some people do think this is possible. To me, the ends do not justify the means, and that is an ideological stance.
And another thing, what you see on this board is not necessarily what is happening in the "real world". This board is set up for discussion and debate about various leftist ideas. Once you go into the OI section, however, you see how most of use join ranks to fight (debate) the capitalists.
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well on your post i see like the word anarchist, or ism like 15 times, ?I see the word "anarchists" once, "Marxist" once, "trot" once and capitalist/capitalism or anti- three times. What is it you are smoking? And can I have some?
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Thats because the revolutionary period of late capitalism is barely beginning in the Western world. Most of us here on this board are the "vanguard" (as in, were among the first proles to begin developing practical Marxist thought in an advanced capitalist state, not as in the Leninist definition) of the new society. Theres considerable in-fighting because the path is not clear. We dont do much because in our small scale there isnt too much we can do other than share our message and deliberate amongst ourselves. When revolutionary sentiment begins building among a wider and wider audience, the path towards action will become far more clear. Not because we decided to do away with our differences, but because the material situation will do away with those differences itself. I can see your point (though not all of us are Marxist). Yet I disagree to a certain point. Even if the materialist situation dictates the rule of a small minority (as it seems Lenin wanted, though most Leninists will I think disagree), I will oppose that. For my fight is not just against capitalism, it is against all forms of oppressive hierarchy, that includes the state.