Bush is a sicko who loves torture

[reaper68]

I thought I had woken up in Russia last Friday when Bush gave his speach about how torture is a good thing. This is something I never thought I'd ever see. An American president publicly promoting torture. I had read all about the torture memos and I knew that Bush was a sicko that liked to torture people but I never expected him to publicly admit it. He should have been arrested on the spot for violating the constitution and the geneva convention. This only adds yet another crime to the long list of crimes he has commited. I don't understand why the american people put up with this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag3QsL2hbXI&eurl=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asVqqz7cFDw&eurl=
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4894001
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/040524fa_fact
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...2901044_pf.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/29/AR2006012901044_pf.html)
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0531-10.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5120600083.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/06/AR2005120600083.html)
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/ne...t_id=1003123959 (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003123959)

[KC]

Yeah, Bush is so evil. If only Kerry was elected; then we'd all be free. :rolleyes:

[Tekun]

Originally posted by Khayembii [email protected] 20 2006, 03:31 AM
Yeah, Bush is so evil. If only Kerry was elected; then we'd all be free. :rolleyes:
:lol:



I thought I had woken up in Russia last Friday when Bush gave his speach about how torture is a good thing.

What does Russia have to do with torture? U mean the USSR?
Are u somehow suggesting that the USSR tortured ppl?

[Criminal_Affinities]

right...so a person comes outside your workplace with a bomb strapped to his chest....and fortunately...the device fails to detonate.....but no,we don't take him to prison and try to find out who was behind this.....we take him out for an ice cream and pizza....why hurt someone who just about to kill you? that's so wrong isn't it?

[-=Viva La Revolution!=-]

okay im against torture for those means, reaper68.
but remember...
A. bush is a retard, but so are most of those people. they dont see what we see

B. i'd hate to bring this up, and i think we should all regret this before we say stuff like that and i am not saying that gives him the right but, our movement in the past has used similiar methods......but we are beyond that and i guess that is against the point

he or no1 else has the right to support such tyranny
even if you are a tyrant! :angry:

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2006, 09:09 AM
right...so a person comes outside your workplace with a bomb strapped to his chest....and fortunately...the device fails to detonate.....but no,we don't take him to prison and try to find out who was behind this.....we take him out for an ice cream and pizza....why hurt someone who just about to kill you? that's so wrong isn't it?
Many suspects of terrorism have no charges and no evidence against them, just suspition.

[SmashCapitalism]

The biggest problem in most cases of torture is that we can't know whether the people are guilty or not. Take Abu Ghraib, for example... many people who were later released were innocent, but covered in bruises and told stories of torture. Now, if we catch someone with a bomb who was planning to blow up a mall, and he might give information on more plots to kill innocent people, then I'd say do what you have to to save innocents from the evil.

[anarchist_utopia]

Bush is indeed responsible for the torture of many. Yes, it is tyranny. Tyranny is wrong and should be brought down. Unfortunately the many people of America aren't left-winged enough to agree with me on this one. Many who support bush or even if they don't, they refuse to condemn tyranny. that is wrong.

[Jamal]

right...so a person comes outside your workplace with a bomb strapped to his chest....and fortunately...the device fails to detonate.....but no,we don't take him to prison and try to find out who was behind this.....we take him out for an ice cream and pizza....why hurt someone who just about to kill you? that's so wrong isn't it?

That will never happen! if a suicide bomber's bomb doesn't explode do you think he's just gonna stand there waiting for himself to be arrested?He would kill himself right away!

Torture in all cases is the most inhumane thing a humane can do! When a person whishes he would die and rather than live one second more under such pain, the situation would be far from he's a terrorist or he's a merderer or he has "information", it would be another race of living organizms (not humane nor even animal) torturing a helpless soul!

[SmashCapitalism]

I agree that torture is wrong, but what about if it is saving innocent people? I mean, it is inhumane, but how humane is the beast who wants to kill innocent men, women, and children? A helpless soul? Actions have consequences, and you have to live with the evil stuff you've done. If hurting an evil person who wishes to destroy other people's lives can save innocent lives, then I can't say I oppose it. But you have to be absolutely sure that the person can give you info., because if not you would be doing a terrible evil as well.

[Jamal]

It never is to save innocent lives! when a "terrorist" fails to do what he came to do, he commits suicide before anyone can come to him!

[Tekun]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 08:05 PM
I agree that torture is wrong, but what about if it is saving innocent people? I mean, it is inhumane, but how humane is the beast who wants to kill innocent men, women, and children? A helpless soul? Actions have consequences, and you have to live with the evil stuff you've done. If hurting an evil person who wishes to destroy other people's lives can save innocent lives, then I can't say I oppose it. But you have to be absolutely sure that the person can give you info., because if not you would be doing a terrible evil as well.
Well its not that simple....terrorism doesn't just spontaneously occur, it comes as a result of years of oppression, repression, aggression, and threats by a strong entity towards a weak or not as developed entity
And the only way that the "weak" entity can vent out frustration and dissatisfaction is through terrorism
I agree, its not the right nor humane thing to do, especially against innocent men, women, and children
But the underlying themes which create terrorism are often overlooked, and it is these themes which, if removed or absent, can bring an end to terrorism
So, even though terrorists are committing unspeakable crimes against innocent ppl in different countries, we also have to hold the stronger entity (specifically the US) that is oppressing Middle Easteners or most of the world nowadays responsible for provoking terrorism
Terrorist groups are not armies...they're guerilla groups, therefore their most effective weapon is terrorism
But we have to remember, that terrorists are products of the system (capitalist and religious systems)
So although we should not justify the killing of innocent ppl, we have to hold the system responsible for creating the conditions which engender terrorism
Therefore, if we destroy the system, we're also destroying terrorism
We just can't blame terrorists, and ignore the system
They're both responsible, but if we take out terrorists first, the system still remains and it will give rise to more terrorism
The thing to do is to get rid of the capitalist system, which will bring an end to terrorism

[Jamal]

That's what you call taking care of the reason and not just what came out of it!