Rightist Revolution In Hungary

[Erebos]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/19...iots/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/19/hungary.riots/index.html)

When I woke up, turned on the television I saw this mess , what gnome rightist made...
We need help! If somebody can please help this weak country, because there are a lot of mad people , who wants facism...
These riots must be cutted off!

[Tekun]

I heard about this on BBC earlier today...though there was very little information on what the protestors wanted or demanded

I doubt these ppl want fascism, but rather an end to corruption and for the opposition to snatch power
I'll await new developments b4 I take a position on this situation


Erebos, are u in Hungary?
If so, keep us informed on the developments that the bourgeoisie media withholds

[Jamal]

can't the communist party overthere make anti-facist protests as to say that they are against all this happening?

[*PRC*Kensei]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 09:09 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/19...iots/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/19/hungary.riots/index.html)

When I woke up, turned on the television I saw this mess , what gnome rightist made...
We need help! If somebody can please help this weak country, because there are a lot of mad people , who wants facism...
These riots must be cutted off!
comrade, are you ok ?

(yes this guy lives in hungary, i know him, i can affirm it)

what indicates it is a right revolution ?

it reminds me of what happened in sidney...

how can we - the left - help ?

If it comes so heated you - as a member of the communist party - have to move out you can always have a bed at my adress... if you make it to belgium. i cant fight, but i can help those who can (your a soldier arnt you ?)

[Forward Union]

I saw the riots on the TV, What makes them "rightist" exactly?

[Tower of Bebel]

Originally posted by Love [email protected] 19 2006, 12:25 PM
I saw the riots on the TV, What makes them "rightist" exactly?
could be a misunderstanding. Maybe it looks rightist because it's against the leader of the socialist party

[kingbee]

It's not a purely rightist "revolution", and it's certainly not fascist. The people are pissed off because the president admitted to lying, and was caught on tape.

Fair enough, I say. You cannot survive politics if you admit you lie, and despite what lots of people here might think, just because he's a leftie doesn't make him immune.

[bcbm]

The article said many of the rioters came from the "conservative opposition," but I'd like to see the evidence for that. It seems to be your usual explosion of the people's rage against a corrupt government.

[Wanted Man]

10,000 people gathering in one city is a "revolution" nowadays? :unsure: Your average anti-war protest is usually bigger.

[kingbee]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 01:21 PM
10,000 people gathering in one city is a "revolution" nowadays? :unsure: Your average anti-war protest is usually bigger.
Well let's see if it manages to overthrow the government, then we can see whether the title is justified.

[Erebos]

Kensei thx I'm ok , I'm saying hallelujah , cause , I live near Budapest , so there was no riots here yet..
I saw the ppl who was on this shit , they were bald, and hungarist ppl , and the y are fired up , by a ritghist politist called Viktor Orbán , who wants revenge because , whe hadn't been elected since 6 years...
But the problem is , rightist thinks it's a war against communism , and leftism, so now they are watching who is leftist , asking unfamilier ppl what they're thinking about leftism etc.
So I see that mad days will come to our little homeland... :S

[Erebos]

And to reply for the question what make them rightist , they were waving flags with the map of Hungary before first WW , and they were flinging their arms and singing the anthem... and actually , some idiot climbed on the buliding , and getted the EU flag off and burned it down... actually, they fired the MTV building , and they made some explosions there too. The maddest was , they robbed everything from the building , and they getted off rocks , and they were dropping them on policemen... So I think , it wasn't just unserious... they made about 1 million dollar impariment during ine night

[RedDan]

On the BBC news last night they said that many right wing youth were at the forefront of the violence. I know the BBC is bourgeoisie media but they have no reason to lie about this.

[The Grey Blur]

The Commies should get in there and get the red flags waving

[Whitten]

I read in the articles that the extreme-right groups are at the head of causing most of teh damage. Is it even remotly possible the real socialists could take to the streets against the government too? maybe that could limit the clash between the two sides? If the fascists actually cease power what will you do?

[Erebos]

It's getting more and more serious... Now they're starting it in small towns two , they're appearing unexpectedly , beacuase they're communicating by smsm , so nobody knows when they appear. Thankfuly there were no weapons used yet...
But the problem is , if fascist will use it , it will be a war than.. Socialist , have to make a powerful union to get over of this shit , but I dunno why , every socialist is silent now... Probably , because fascist are mad and aunnormal junks who cannot be called human, but we are human , and want not to become neanderthal man , and want to make this conflict in normal human way.

[Tekun]

It appears to me that socialists are doing very little if anything, because the PM is himself a "socialist" or at least that's what he calls himself
So if socialists were to take to the street's they would have very lil support considering that the corrupt PM is himself a "socialist"
I would even say that they would be attacked for apparently sympathizing with the "socialist" government or for just sharing the same ideology (apparently, given the title)

If socialists/communists were to take to the streets, they only way that they would gather support would be if they were in no way connected to the socialist party in Hungary or the government, they would have to be grassroot socialists, not aligned with any party or government
Stressing socio-economic reforms and anti-corruption would help gain support for grassroot socialists


I've also heard that those who have supported and organized the current protests are football hooligans? Which sounds rather strange..football fans organizing protests against the government? :huh:
Any truth to this Erebos?

[вор в законе]

The statue of the Red Army, built for the victory against fascism, was also damaged. Its on the same Szabadsαg square, where the state TV's building can be found. It is also interesting to note that the Hammer and Sickle is banned in Hungary, anyone bearing it will be imprisoned. A couple of months earlier the conservatives wanted to bann Che Guevara's pictures too, I don't know if they made it.

http://index.hu/cikkepek/0609/belfold/TV4_galeri//.gdata/gp_5.jpg

http://index.hu/cikkepek/0609/belfold/TV4_galeri//.gdata/gp_20.jpg

http://blog.tomcatpolo.hu/blog/blog/20060919/20060918_41.jpg

[Tower of Bebel]

VRT news. vid about Boedapest (http://www.vrtnieuws.net/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/mediatheek/video-BEELDENVANWEEK/index.shtml?play)

Pictures (http://www.vrtnieuws.net/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/mediatheek/foto_060919_Hongarije/index.shtml?play)

[ItalianCommie]

Now that's bad... VERY bad... How can you ban the Hammer and Sickle? What a nightmare for a true Communist... :angry:

[rouchambeau]

Now that's bad... VERY bad... How can you ban the Hammer and Sickle? What a nightmare for a true Communist...
You're kidding right? "Oh no! How will we be a scene if we can't wear our hammer and sickles? This is REALLY tyrany!"

[bcbm]

An analysis by the Hungarian Barikád Kollektíva (Barricade Collective) on the recent events in Hungary following prime minister Gurcsány's admissions of lying and the subsequent riots.

Hungary: Barikád Kollektíva Analysis of the Current Situation An analysis by the Hungarian Barikád Kollektíva (Barricade Collective) on the recent events in Hungary following prime minister Gurcsány's admissions of lying and the subsequent riots.

Rouse?!

The left-wing-liberal bourgeoisie have continued the chess game with a wrong move. The prime minister's confession, made in May at a meeting of the MSZP faction (Hungarian Socialist Party) was published, in which he announced that his party had won the elections through lies and that it was time they engaged in frank and fully responsible politics. Previously they had communicated much better data about the Hungarian economics than the real situation was. In our previous text entitled Spend your blood! we described the "new" exploiting measures of the government. Some of them have already become operative, others will be implemented in the near future. But we have to clarify why the social democrat-liberal bloc is being forced to take these steps.

The Gurcsány government had wanted to delude us that their economic policy was sustainable while they had been opposed to the general capitalist trend. In recent years they had increased wages, given an extra month's old-age pension per year, made the living wage tax-free, subsidised enterprises (for example the BKV-Budapest Transport Company and MÁV-Hungarian State Railway ... we have to go work somehow after all!) which were operating with deficits. The government had been playing at being a welfare state whereas, due to the pressure of international movements of capital, they should have been taking the opposite measures. The national deficit is estimated at over 20,000 billion forints, which is 60% of the Hungarian GDP. The budget deficit is more than 10% of the Hungarian GDP and in this way the bourgeoisie in Hungary cannot join the Euro-zone nor get financial support from the EU. The MSZP (Hungarian Socialist Party) wanted to win the elections and seemingly wanted to answer to the working class too, and thus they ran into debt. So-called "welfare functions" add up to 60% of the budget and the state operational expenses add up to 12%. But till the elections they were croaking that the level of the budget deficit was acceptable.

Then the "penitent" confession arrived like a bolt from the blue. The government has to implement restrictions in order to find more money, so they have to explain to the working class why they are going to rot our lives. The right-wing opposition, which flirts directly with the fascists, had based its strategy on the economic data provided by the government and had promised Canaan. So they lied just as their social democrat counterpart. We do not moralize on the dirty practices of the bourgeoisie, because we think that falsification, lies and manipulation are basic instruments of the ruling class, requirements of bourgeois class terror. The bourgeoisie, however, were taken short by the reaction of the mass, because they believed the mass to be totally acclimatized to the bipolar political régime. It is evident that this is only a half-truth, so their consciousness-industry is not effective enough. We can see that neither the government nor the opposition expected that the wave of discontent would in part sweep over them. In recent decades, the bourgeoisie and its organizations had become very confident, their dirty democracy had cradled the working class and had outlawed social struggle, direct conflicts with the power from the streets. They had considered the working class in Hungary to be totally idiot and had presumed that the exploited would accept all the lies that were told in their fancy house, the parliament.

The democrats of the oppostion seemingly condemn the bloody events in the streets, but in secret they back the revolters, who are usually fired up by fascist organizations like Jobbik Magyarországért Mozgalom (Movement for Right Hungary), 64 Vármegye Ifjúsági Mozgalom (64 Hundreds Youth Movement). On the other hand, they got frightened because they lost control over the right-wing mass and the result led to struggles between the fascists and the state. The voice of the real class struggle is dampened by the nostalgic nationalism of the Székely-hymn and for the present the outlet of exploitation is dissolving into pseudo-revolutionary nationalist comedy. Fascism is using those members of the working class who are demanding an immediate change of régime/power to lengthen the counter-revolutionary period. Pseudo-Mussolinis are roaring their speeches. The people don't reject them but neither do they identify themselves totally with these spokesmen. Thousands of people demonstrated, but there were serious street fights with the police only on Monday and Tuesday. By now, only the reformist demands of the trade unions, the democratic demonstrations of the student self-government and the actual nationalist-fascist events answered the present situation - while the exploited people are in the streets after all. On the other hand it is conspicuous that there are no social demands, protest voices at all, thus the conflict deflects from direct exploitation and only focuses on the clash between the government and the opposition. The demonstrators have declared that they would use roadblocks and civil disobedience to exert an influence on the government.

Parts of Ferenc Gyurcsány's cretinous, "penitent", but denunciative confession was published on 17th September. Later the whole speech was published. On that day the mass started to demonstrate in front of the parliament with their national clouts and were shouting slogans referring to the speech of the prostitute of capital with some changes: "You *censored*ed up! You *censored*ed up!". Then they demanded the resignation of the government: "Gyurcsány go!". There were other demands, too: "Change of régime!", "Resign!", "Down with the Trianon peace treaty!". Some people from the mass went to the offices of the state television and wanted to advertise their demands. The mass, directed by boneheads (fascist skinheads), laid siege to the building. Various groups of football hooligans, who are usually irreconcilable enemies, united their strength. They inveighed against Jews and most of the people shouted together: "Down with the Trianon peace treaty!", "Down with the Trianon peace treaty!". The singing of the national anthem, nationalist slogans from the 1956 revolution and national flags marked these events. There were a lot of Hungarist flags with the colours of the House of Árpád (the crest of the first Hungarian dynasty, later used by Hungarian nazis in the time of World War II). Nearby, demonstrators damaged the Soviet memorial too. They were not monolithic, because some of them observed that it should not be done. The police were totally unprepared, standing blankly and trying to defend the offices of the state television, but they were not able to arrest the fuglemen. They were not so full-mouthed as usually, because they were not superior in numbers.

If there were pure class struggle in the streets, the fascists would fight united with the police against us! It's a civil war in the literal sense of the word. The voice of class struggle is dampened, while one stratum of the working class is striking and propping up the walls of alienation. The nationalism of self-confining mixes the fascist with the right-wing mass who could recognize the manipulation of the bourgeoisie and would become conscious of their proletarian existence. Now they only maintain capitalism, because they are taken in by politics and media manipulation and they take the nationalist myths as a basis instead of their injured life. They still believe in the opposition, which only wants to govern and exploit us just as the social democrats do. They can achieve it only by the legal voting of the mass. Nevertheless, the first three floors of the television offices were looted. Not only by fascists, but by homeless people, old ladies, students, punks, Roma. They whacked up the loot taken from the smashed buffet, cigarettes, coolers became free of charge. The looting was done mostly by the poor, since it's the tradition of the proletariat, not of the counter-revolution. The spirit of the revolution shot through the nationalist night in this way at least. Several policemen were injured but finally things settled down again.

The next day, Tuesday, the revolters, led by fascist groups, attacked police at Blaha Lujza square. One of their targets was the office of the MSZP (Hungarian Socialist Party). Their slogans were: "Traitors!", "Ry-Ry, Hungary!". The police were more alert; there were a lot of riot squads ready for action. They started to arrest the revolters using TV recordings and photos. The police atrocities were increasing; they attacked passive bystanders if they were bored. Meanwhile the student demonstration against the university tuition and the electoral gathering of the party in opposition, Fidesz (Alliance of Young Democrats), were postponed. By day hundreds of people, but at night thousands of people have been demonstrating against the government. They are demanding conventional assembly and new elections. There are demonstrations in the country towns, too, for example in Szeged, Miskolc, Debrecen, Szombathely, Gyor, Zalaegerszeg. On Wednesday there were fewer revolters in the streets and the police were in superior numbers. Around 150 revolters were arrested, and 500 people are still being looked for. There have been several injuries, 138 of whom are policemen.

The politicians and the media are continue to manipulate when they state that "anarchist ragbags" are rampaging through the streets. The fascists, their own bourgeoisie behind them, have come alive. They are spreading illusions about 1956 because they want to expropriate the heritage of the communist revolution in order to make it out as a nationalist event. They are shouting their slogans with this in view. The right-wing politician and the "heaven-born peoples" are hoping together for the promising future of the nation while the government and the opposition continue with their electoral campaign. The situation has livened up, there remains no more but to awaken the proletariat during the "nights of the long knives"...

Barikád Kollektíva (Barricade Collective) September 2006

http://www.anarcom.lapja.hu

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 04:38 PM
Now that's bad... VERY bad... How can you ban the Hammer and Sickle? What a nightmare for a true Communist... :angry:
I've been searched by police on the subway numerous times for wearing my Hammer and Sickle shirt, but this step is OD