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Comrade Marcel
15th September 2006, 19:13
Shooting at Dawson College, Montreal -- Another Columbine?
We Must Together Avert Such Tragedies

- Statement of the Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist),
September 14, 2006 -

The Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist) expresses its deepest condolences to the family of Anastasia DeSousa, the young woman killed in the shooting at Dawson College in Montreal. We express our sympathies to the some 10,000 students, college staff, their families and all Montrealers who have been so profoundly affected by this tragedy. We express our appreciation for the actions of the first responders, including police and paramedics, as well as the student union at Concordia University, professors and hospitals who took charge of the situation and played the role which befits them. They managed to impart some coherence and confidence within a dreadful situation. The antidote to succumbing to fear is to take up one's social responsibility, especially in exceptional circumstances. In this regard, having mechanisms and arrangements which enable people to deal with such events and with the ensuing psychological trauma make the difference between coherence and incoherence and stop a bad situation from becoming worse.

The recurrence of brutal, insane acts such as the shooting at Dawson are a great shock for any society. Immediately one wants to know: Who was the shooter? Why did he do it? But most importantly, what conclusions do we draw from such a shocking event and how do we orient ourselves to ensure that together we can go to the heart of the problem?

In this regard, we condemn the statement of Prime Minister Stephen Harper who declared the shooting a "cowardly and senseless act of violence." What does he know that we don't know? We live in a society which forces people to fend for themselves and many are driven to commit all kinds of desperate acts. Is it suitable to say such acts are "cowardly"? Even though the acts may be "senseless," does it mean we cannot make sense of them?

The very same day this Columbine-type tragedy occurred in Montreal, news agencies reported that a nurse in Alberta who sedated several of her colleagues to defraud them was found to suffer from bi-polar disorder. She was given two years probation with community service. Nothing was said to indicate she is getting appropriate treatment and will not commit similar crimes in the future. Such reports lead us to question the Prime Minister's statement. Why is he content with dismissing what took place at Dawson with a phrase? In our opinion, it is a cowardly statement which indicates that he has no intention of taking responsibility for a society in which such things take place.

In the same vein, there is already speculation in the media that this event will lead to a more heated debate about the gun registry. Various media outlets are also introducing a discourse about the need to profile certain youth to identify "violent behaviour" or to say that it is the fault of violent video games and movies. In this way, a very serious problem facing society and our younger generation is immediately reduced to so-called solutions which are unhelpful at best -- parents and teachers should "monitor behaviour," we need increased police presence to take more law and order measures and other such things.

Social, political, economic and cultural problems cannot be ruled out of existence with law and order campaigns, feel-good statements or facile explanations and measures which solve nothing and often make matters worse. The very idea that now young men with piercings and dressed in black are to be profiled precisely underscores that our society is in trouble. It is no different to being criminalized for being Muslim. People who look and dress in a particular way are fair game -- for our protection and security of course!

How is it that before people have even had a chance to sit and think, they are already told what the issue is and how it will be dealt with? Who decides how we should proceed?

Following the events of 9/11 we saw how an atmosphere of fear and uncertainty about the future was created and then used as a pretext to introduce the "war on terror" and invade Afghanistan, Iraq and Lebanon, as well as justify crimes against the Palestinian people. It was used to introduce police-state measures in Canada and the U.S., amongst other countries. We are now seeing the consequences of the kinds of arrangements that have been put in place while Americans were mourning their loss of innocence and trying to sort out how to move on. The agenda these arrangements serve is not to be questioned. Meanwhile, even though insecurity and uncertainty have become the new normal, the widespread belief that these measures have not sorted out any of the problems the world was facing before September 11 or after is ignored by the official circles. The criminalization of political views, national origin, religion and behaviour have become widespread. Now U.S. President George W. Bush, Prime Minister Harper and others are paving the way to criminalize any ideology or belief that lies contrary to theirs.

The events at Dawson show how some youth are being driven into a disconnect, leading to truly crazy and barbaric acts. We are not surprised that such things are taking place when the leaders in the U.S. and Canada act in the same fashion in the name of the highest ideals. In the case of the occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq, these leaders openly promote torture and mass killings as acts of great courage and valour. They declare that they will continue doing this because they can. When the tragic consequences of such a culture are revealed, they declare that some individual has a behaviour problem and refuse to take social responsibility.

On the same day that this act took place at Dawson, the Canadian Army released a new set of ads to recruit the youth to join the Armed Forces. They depict scenes from a battlefield in Afghanistan with the words "Fight fear, fight distress, fight chaos." General Rick Hillier, Chief of Staff of the Canadian Armed Forces, described the role of the military this way: "Our job is to kill people."

A hooligan culture is being promoted right from the top and it is presented as okay for the youth when it is done in pursuit of "scumbags," but not okay when it harms fellow citizens. This is the disconnect which is leading to tragedies.

When the killings took place at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, then U.S. President Bill Clinton said: "We do know that we must do more to reach out to our children and teach them to express their anger and to resolve their conflicts with words, not weapons."

This is the same President Clinton who former White House aide George Stephanopoulos quoted in his book All Too Human from the time Clinton ordered the bombing of civilian targets in Somalia:

"We're not inflicting pain on these fuckers," Clinton said, softly at first. "When people kill us, they should be killed in greater numbers." Then, with his face reddening, his voice rising, and his fist pounding his thigh, he leaned into Tony [Lake, then his national security adviser], as if it was his fault. "I believe in killing people who try to hurt you. And I can't believe we're being pushed around by these two-bit pricks."

When the future presented to the youth is one of chaos, violence and anarchy, who is going to take responsibility for this disconnect in which some of our youth live? In considering what leads some youth to take desperate measures, such as occurred at Dawson yesterday, should we not take into account the present and future of war, militarism and the hooligan culture devoid of any social responsibility which is being forced onto society as the only way to sort out problems?

This society is creating great problems for the youth. Law and order and military solutions and facile explanations will not deal with these problems; they will only make them worse. Whatever happens, we should not let these events be used for partisan political gain, or to impose an agenda that goes against the interests of the society. Solutions must come out of a broad discussion amongst the polity on the overall direction of the society and how to turn things around.

Mesijs
15th September 2006, 23:37
Completely ridiculous. How the hell do the CPC know that this guy acted because of lawmaking after 11/9? They're trying to connect two things that are as unconnected to each other as can be.

Comrade Marcel
16th September 2006, 00:10
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 08:38 PM
Completely ridiculous. How the hell do the CPC know that this guy acted because of lawmaking after 11/9?


Pay attention, it's CPC-ML, and the statement says nothing of the sort.


They're trying to connect two things that are as unconnected to each other as can be.

Irrational behaviour and tragedies such as this have no connection with capitalism? :huh:

Mesijs
16th September 2006, 00:26
Originally posted by Comrade Marcel+Sep 15 2006, 09:11 PM--> (Comrade Marcel @ Sep 15 2006, 09:11 PM)
[email protected] 15 2006, 08:38 PM
Completely ridiculous. How the hell do the CPC know that this guy acted because of lawmaking after 11/9?


Pay attention, it's CPC-ML, and the statement says nothing of the sort.


They're trying to connect two things that are as unconnected to each other as can be.

Irrational behaviour and tragedies such as this have no connection with capitalism? :huh: [/b]
Well, they're saying that in a world after 9/11, where a 'police state' is rising, people are confused and do some sort of things.


And I don't see any connection between this shooting and capitalism. In communism there are aslo going to be school shootings.

Comrade Marcel
16th September 2006, 01:12
Originally posted by Mesijs+Sep 15 2006, 09:27 PM--> (Mesijs @ Sep 15 2006, 09:27 PM)
Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 15 2006, 09:11 PM

[email protected] 15 2006, 08:38 PM
Completely ridiculous. How the hell do the CPC know that this guy acted because of lawmaking after 11/9?


Pay attention, it's CPC-ML, and the statement says nothing of the sort.


They're trying to connect two things that are as unconnected to each other as can be.

Irrational behaviour and tragedies such as this have no connection with capitalism? :huh:
Well, they're saying that in a world after 9/11, where a 'police state' is rising, people are confused and do some sort of things.

[/b]
No, it doesn't say that at all. But you do seem rather confused, don't you?

What they are saying is that under capitalism racism, class antogonisms, alienation and social injustice cause things like mental illness and/or violence.


And I don't see any connection between this shooting and capitalism.

Uh, well for one it happend in a capitalist society, like duh. Do I really need to go into great details and start quoting Marx, Engels, Lenin, as well as Psychologists and Sociologists on violence and capitalist society? I'm sure you've read about it already.


In communism there are aslo going to be school shootings.

I doubt their will even be guns in urban areas under communism, let alone school shootings! This type of violence would probably be as alien from reality and the minds of people under communism as the idea of being able to take any commodity you want when you want is for the average persyn under capitalism now.

If you mean under socialism, then yes it's certainly possible but much much less likely. There would be so much more life options and help available for people that it would be very unlikely such tragedies would occure.

They used to call these types of rampages "going postal" before Columbine, why do you think that was? And it was never uncommon to hear about these types of rampages taking place, whether from disgruntled former workers, bullied high school youth or someone just "going off" in a McDonalds. The media is pumping this up now because a militarization/police state agenda is being propagated.

Obviously, under socialism, the conditions which caused people to get to that point of hopelessness and insainity would be none exisitant.

I'm surprised I need to explain this to you; or is it just that you are trying to pick a bone with CPC-ML?

YSR
16th September 2006, 01:32
I think it's a pretty solidly written piece.

Except for the bit "chaos, violence and anarchy," which was irritating.

CCCPneubauten
16th September 2006, 01:45
Wonderful piece, glad to see at least Canada has a good Party.

Comrade Marcel
16th September 2006, 01:45
Originally posted by Young Stupid [email protected] 15 2006, 10:33 PM
I think it's a pretty solidly written piece.

Except for the bit "chaos, violence and anarchy," which was irritating.
Yeah, I agree with you on that. I'm sure they meant the word in a context outside of the revolutionary ideology and that it wasn't put in there intentionally to irritate the Anarchists. ;)

Mesijs
16th September 2006, 01:51
Originally posted by Comrade Marcel+Sep 15 2006, 10:13 PM--> (Comrade Marcel @ Sep 15 2006, 10:13 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 15 2006, 09:11 PM

[email protected] 15 2006, 08:38 PM
Completely ridiculous. How the hell do the CPC know that this guy acted because of lawmaking after 11/9?


Pay attention, it's CPC-ML, and the statement says nothing of the sort.


They're trying to connect two things that are as unconnected to each other as can be.

Irrational behaviour and tragedies such as this have no connection with capitalism? :huh:
Well, they're saying that in a world after 9/11, where a 'police state' is rising, people are confused and do some sort of things.


No, it doesn't say that at all. But you do seem rather confused, don't you?

What they are saying is that under capitalism racism, class antogonisms, alienation and social injustice cause things like mental illness and/or violence.


And I don't see any connection between this shooting and capitalism.

Uh, well for one it happend in a capitalist society, like duh. Do I really need to go into great details and start quoting Marx, Engels, Lenin, as well as Psychologists and Sociologists on violence and capitalist society? I'm sure you've read about it already.


In communism there are aslo going to be school shootings.

I doubt their will even be guns in urban areas under communism, let alone school shootings! This type of violence would probably be as alien from reality and the minds of people under communism as the idea of being able to take any commodity you want when you want is for the average persyn under capitalism now.

If you mean under socialism, then yes it's certainly possible but much much less likely. There would be so much more life options and help available for people that it would be very unlikely such tragedies would occure.

They used to call these types of rampages "going postal" before Columbine, why do you think that was? And it was never uncommon to hear about these types of rampages taking place, whether from disgruntled former workers, bullied high school youth or someone just "going off" in a McDonalds. The media is pumping this up now because a militarization/police state agenda is being propagated.

Obviously, under socialism, the conditions which caused people to get to that point of hopelessness and insainity would be none exisitant.

I'm surprised I need to explain this to you; or is it just that you are trying to pick a bone with CPC-ML? [/b]
It doesn't mean that anything that happens in a capitalist society is caused by it. Car accidents, drunkeness etc.

And this was a mentally disabled kid, totally crazy, with some fascination for death and guns. You also have mentally disabled kids under communism.

He was a student on a university, a person who has chances to make it in a capitalist society. Therefore I don't think it has anything to do with the evils of capitalism in this particular case.

Comrade Marcel
16th September 2006, 19:51
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 10:52 PM
It doesn't mean that anything that happens in a capitalist society is caused by it. Car accidents, drunkeness etc.


No one is saying capitalism causes things like this, but rather perpetuates the conditions that make them happen often.

Your examples, for instance, are great ones. Under capitalism the rush hour, the amount of traveling people do to work, etc. are definate factors of fatalities and abundance of accidents. Look at when most happen: morning and evening rush hours, even more on Fridays or weekened rush back from cottages, especially long weekends. These are because of conditions under capitalism.

Under socialism, more people would be given jobs close to where they live and could probably walk, take a bicycle or public transit (hopefully even this would rarely be necessary but available for older folks and people with disabilities). Work would be much more recreational, there wouldn't be a huge rush to make it on time to work or to rush back home. There would be mostly delivery vehicles on the streets/highways, with well trained drivers and vehicles which are well maintained for safety, instead of the trucks which are barely maintained and overworked and the tired drivers pumped on caffiene that exist under capitalism. And when there is car accidents, emergency response would be top notch, plus the after care would be free for everyone.

As for drunkeness, alcoholism is definately a problem perpetuated by capitalism. Of course it would exist under socialism, but the amount of alcoholics would be far less as the conditions which drive people to drink would be abolished. Kids would have things like organized sports, meetings, and different types of events (such as cultural), socials/parties, and other forms of recreation for free, instead of hanging out drinking forties. This is not to say there is something wrong with that, just that the whole perception/culture and available other options would change the conditions that lead to alcohol abuse rather than moderate enjoyment of alcohol.

Adults would also play a major role in organizing activities for youth, as well as play a part in them. Again, under socialism, things that where mostly petty-bourgeois activities - such as going to the theatre/opera/ballet, golfing, skydiving, dining out, etc. etc. - would be available to everyone. Why sit around guzzling back booze thinking about your problems, when you have no problems and there's thousands of other things to do?


And this was a mentally disabled kid, totally crazy, with some fascination for death and guns.

Why was he not helped? What are the factors of society that lead to him becoming disturbed up to this point? Why does society have a culture that perpeatuates a fascination with death and guns in a nagative way?

These are all important questions to ask and it is ignorant to deny capitalism as a culprit. How often does this type of thing happen in Cuba, China or Vietnam, and how often did it in the USSR? Think about it.


You also have mentally disabled kids under communism.

We really can't say that for sure. Communism is such an advanced form of society, that I think we will need to keep two things in mind:

1.) The conditions that create depression, anxiety and anger under capitalism will be abolished. The culture of competition, guns, violence and antagonisms would be eliminated. There would be a lot less "hate" in society.

2.) What is considered a "mental illness/disability" under capitalism might not even be a factor at all under communism, so it might be really difficult to distiguish people with all types of disibilities in general. People with disabilities would be so intergrated into society, they would be just like you and me... that is if the advanced medical industry under communism hasn't completely abolished and/or found cures/fixtures for almost every disability.


He was a student on a university,

My understanding was that he was not a student, could you provide a source for your info?


a person who has chances to make it in a capitalist society.

This is what the bourgeois say all the time. It's interesting that you think along the same lines.


Therefore I don't think it has anything to do with the evils of capitalism in this particular case.

The only one that is talking about abstract concepts such as "evil" is you. CPC-ML is talking about factual material conditions of Kanadian society under capitalism. CPC-ML is not claiming to have all the answers, but is putting forward questions and critiques. The job of the a Communist Party is to be a voice with the people; to put forward theory, guidance and news for the people, specifically the workers.

This article puts forward these views in a well thought out and strong manner, and I think it's good to see this as an alternative to the views the media wants to put forward.

I'm not sure, however, what point you are trying to put forward. Are you trying to say that "human nature" is hopeless? To me this seems to be what you are getting at; bourgeois ideology.

Janus
17th September 2006, 08:19
And this was a mentally disabled kid
So far there have been no reports of mental disabilities. This kid was simply withdrawn from society, paranoid, and had a strong dislike of others.