Osama and the CIA

[Comrade Ben]

Hey guys,

I need some proof of this. I know it as fact, because I saw some De-Class documents about Osama's involvment and trainging as a CIA tactician, but I have since lost these documents. Does anyone have any primary source on this? I need it. Thanks.


Comrade Ben

[Janus]

I'm not sure if there are actual declassified documents yet but this info can be found in most books about Bin Laden and the mujahideen groups in Afghanistan.

[Andy Bowden]

Bin Laden was not an employee of the CIA. He was funded by Saudi millionaires, whereas CIA money was funnelled through the Pakistani Intelligence service to their own proxies - of whom Bin Laden was not a member.

The CIA did fund Afghan warlords who have killed considerably more people than Bin Laden however.

To focus on whether or not the CIA supported one man - Bin Laden - is to fall into the trap that Al Qaeda is some kind of organised terrorist group. It's in fact an ideology, where different "franchises" use the Al Qaeda name.

The important thing to remember is not that the CIA gave money to one man or not, it's that they funded hundreds others like him, who subscribed to Islamic fundamentalism.

[tgpodone]

May This Helps you to find the facts about osama And CIA

Zbigniew Brzezinski revealed a hidden Fact that on July 3, 1979, unknown to the public and American Congress that President Jimmy Carter secretly authorized $500 million to create an international terrorist movement that would spread Islamic fundamentalism in Central Asia and "de-stabilize" the Soviet Union...
The CIA called this Operation Cyclone and in the following years poured $4 billion into setting up Islamic training schools in Pakistan (Taliban means "student").

These people were sent to the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where future members of al-Qaeda were taught "sabotage skills" - terrorism.
Others were recruited at an Islamic school in Brooklyn, New York, In Pakistan; they were directed by British MI6 officers and trained by the SAS.
The result, quipped Brzezinski, was "a few stirred up Muslims" - meaning the Taliban.

[Tekun]

^Got a source?

[Kamraten]

check out this link http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/articlesosama.html

hehe once Cia always Cia.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/stor...,584444,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,584444,00.html)

French report claims terrorist leader stayed in Dubai hospital

Anthony Sampson
Thursday November 1, 2001
The Guardian

Two months before September 11 Osama bin Laden flew to Dubai for 10 days for treatment at the American hospital, where he was visited by the local CIA agent, according to the French newspaper Le Figaro.

The disclosures are known to come from French intelligence which is keen to reveal the ambiguous role of the CIA, and to restrain Washington from extending the war to Iraq and elsewhere.

Bin Laden is reported to have arrived in Dubai on July 4 from Quetta in Pakistan with his own personal doctor, nurse and four bodyguards, to be treated in the urology department. While there he was visited by several members of his family and Saudi personalities, and the CIA.


they just wanted to make sure that their movie star was alright and recovering.

[Tekun]

check out this link http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/articlesosama.html

Not a source, considering the outrageous jiberish on the site
Anything else?
I mean, yeah the Bin Laden's and the Bushies were in on deals and whatnot, but dinner parties between the both of them (refering to Osama and Bush), don't think so :P

[Janus]

He was funded by Saudi millionaires
He was a Saudi millionaire. A lot of the money came out of his own pocket.

So far, the CIA has basically denied it all and denied knowledge of bin Laden until 1996.
bin Laden CIA connection a myth (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/08/15/bergen.answers/index.html)

[Tekun]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 05:14 AM

He was funded by Saudi millionaires
He was a Saudi millionaire. A lot of the money came out of his own pocket.

So far, the CIA has basically denied it all and denied knowledge of bin Laden until 1996.
bin Laden CIA connection a myth (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/08/15/bergen.answers/index.html)
U think the guy's (Peter Bergen) claims are legit or authentic?
In the article, all he does is deny the connection and that's it, no proof nor evidence to back it up
Not a very influential piece of writing

The article states that Bin Laden and the CIA had no connections
But my guess is that it's disregarding the simple fact that the mujahadeen (in which Bin Laden fought) and the CIA were in bed together
The article denies the connection between the CIA and Bin Laden, but it doesn't deny the connection between the mujahadeen and the CIA, and coincidentally Bin Laden fought with the mujahadeen, therefore Bin Laden and the CIA did work together, just no directly
:wacko:

[Janus]

U think the guy's (Peter Bergen) claims are legit or authentic?
The guy is a CIA analyst so obviously he's going to be biased. But there's really no way for a third party to find out since the records are still classified.


therefore Bin Laden and the CIA did work together, just no directly
bin Laden's group may have interacted with the CIA in some way but I don't think the connections were really ever solidified.

[piet11111]

i dare say that the CIA let bin laden escape when he was cornered in tora bora.
the CIA refused to send a bunch of american rangers to cut of the escape route into pakistan.

you can read about it in the book Jawbreaker by Gary berntsen


currently bin laden is safe in the Pashtun groups along the pakistani side of the border with afghanistan.
if they really wanted to get bin laden i would not doubt they could do it in a month.
but it seems musharraf is not willing to risk pissing off the Pashtun or the other fundamentalists and risk an islamic-revolution.

[Janus]

the CIA refused to send a bunch of american rangers to cut of the escape route into pakistan.
The border is huge and porous, the Pakistanis didn't apply the cordon tightly enough due to other concerns at the time. Furthermore, they never would've been able to stop all crossings into Pakistan.

[piet11111]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 12:33 AM

the CIA refused to send a bunch of american rangers to cut of the escape route into pakistan.
The border is huge and porous, the Pakistanis didn't apply the cordon tightly enough due to other concerns at the time. Furthermore, they never would've been able to stop all crossings into Pakistan.
none the less bin laden did not travel on his own and the region is so mountainous that from tora bora only a select view routes could have been considered an option for such a group of a few dozen men.

nor does it excuse to not send any rangers to block the passages either.

[Janus]

none the less bin laden did not travel on his own
Right, which would've made it harder to pinpoint which group he was in.


and the region is so mountainous that from tora bora only a select view routes could have been considered an option for such a group of a few dozen men.
In certain areas there are probably limited crossing areas but bin Laden probably had a large selection of areas to choose from.


nor does it excuse to not send any rangers to block the passages either.
That would've been the responsibility of the Pakistanis on the other side of the border. However, they had some other things to take care of particularly the thread on their eastern border.

[piet11111]

Right, which would've made it harder to pinpoint which group he was in

does that matter ? taliban or al quada they are all scum ready to get shot.
bin laden is just an added bonus


That would've been the responsibility of the Pakistanis on the other side of the border. However, they had some other things to take care of particularly the thread on their eastern border.

its always an extremely bad idea to assume others will take care of their responsibility's.
as such the refusal to deploy the rangers was the worst decission any commander could take.
even if the chances of capturing bin laden where much smaller then what the book Jawbreaker makes it appear to be then it would still be a very poor judgement call.
enemy combatants escaped and that is unacceptible as they could have been intercepted and terminated.

[Janus]

does that matter ? taliban or al quada they are all scum ready to get shot.
bin laden is just an added bonus
What I'm saying is that so many bands were escaping that it would've been hard to track them all.


its always an extremely bad idea to assume others will take care of their responsibility's.
as such the refusal to deploy the rangers was the worst decission any commander could take.
It was more of a political issue than a tactical one. Pakistanis have jurisdiction in their area, not the US. Of course, this would've upset US military commanders in that they did not think too highly of the Pakistani military but their was no choice other than for them to cooperate and hope for the best.

[Seafire]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 08:21 PM
^Got a source?

Silenced History: How the CIA Created Osama (http://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/Week-of-Mon-20050228/014045.html)
From the Green Left Weekly Archives (2001)

The CIA recruited and trained the jihadists (http://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/Week-of-Mon-20060821/043990.html)
From The Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG) - Aug 21, 2006

Seafire

[Tekun]

^Pretty good
Although they don't have references, that I can see anyway

This is also useful: http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html
With references

[Guerrilla22]

http://www.csun.edu/~vcspc00g/303/binladen&CIAmsnbc.html


As his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan after
Moscow's invasion in 1979. By 1984, he was running a front organization known as Maktab al-Khidamar - the MAK - which funneled money, arms and fighters from the outside world into the Afghan war.

What the CIA bio conveniently fails to specify (in its unclassified form, at least) is that the MAK was nurtured by
Pakistan's state security services, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, the CIA's primary conduit for conducting the covert war against Moscow's occupation.

There most likely was a connection, the extent of which is not clear because any information that would disclose such details surely remains classified. Common sense would tell you that anyone who was in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets in the 80's was probaly recieving funds from the CIA at the very least.