Shari'ah Law

[worldtradeisadeathmachine]

Shari'ah Law is taken from the Qu'ran and everything within the state is based purely on what the Qu'ran says.

I know in some countries in the east Shari'ah law works really well, but is it really freedom? Do these people think they're free?
Yes, they do.
I don't really know what to say with that, because the most Fundametalist state I can think of is Saudi Arabia, and that country is totally corrupt. I don't know the ins and outs of everything in Shari'ah law, but I can tell you the basics of it.

It's all dictated, well it's actually TAKEN from the Qu'ran, and there isn't an elective situation as far as I'm aware. I know civil liberties are very very limited, freedom of speech isn't allowed, and all Women are very restricted in what they can and can't do.

A good example of a Shari'ah Law state is Iran. All women over the age of 9 legally have to wear a Hijab (head scarf) on their head, and they're banned from things like Driving, and going to things like the Cinema, and in some extreme cases going outside by themselves.
I don't agree with that.

My Family are originally from Pakistan, and they believe in Shari'ah law to the uttermost. I can't really say that it's not right, or it's not free to them because this is what they believe in. To me
I don't believe in having my hands cut off if I steal

I don't want to be put into an arranged marrige. I don't want to go straight from my Families house to my Husbands house.

I don't want to be killed by my family if I've lost my "Honour" before marrige.

I want the liberty to go out by myself.
I want the liberty to oppose things, and my free speech
I want to listen to music, and be able to wear short sleeved shops.

It states that at all time women must be covered, but yet men can wear what they want as long as they're covered form their navel to their knees.
I don't know what to say here about it, but I know that it's not my idea of freedom.

To me, it's bullshit, but then again who am I just to knock down 2 billion peoples view on religion?

[Eleutherios]

Shari'ah Law is taken from the Bible, and everything within the state is based purely on what the Qu'ran says.
Shari'ah law has nothing to do with the Bible.

I know in some countries in the east Shari'ah law works really well, but is it really freedom?
Umm...where is it working really well, and more importantly, for whom is it working really well?

To me, it's bullshit, but then again who am I just to knock down 2 billion peoples view on religion?
It's only 1.4 billion people, and you can say Islam is wrong. In fact, about 5 billion people would agree with you if you made such an assertion. There just isn't any evidence that Islam is true, and there is clear evidence that it is causing oppression, mysogyny, unnecessary violence, authoritarianism, and other undesirable things. This isn't some postmodern fantasy world where everybody's viewpoint is just as valid as the next guy's. If Allah doesn't exist and Islam is fundamentally oppressive, anyone who claims otherwise is wrong, end of story.

[Jiub]

I don't believe every Muslim follows the Shari'ah.

[ichneumon]

actually, shari'ah is completely nonfuctional. every single islamist state is a disaster. yet most muslims will only say - "they don't follow the *real* shari'ah". it is a legal code written in ~700CE and now unchangeable.

the saudis are not islamists - the qu'ran makes it clear that foreign troops must never be allowed on muslim soil. most muslims hate and despise the saudis for allowing americans so close to mecca.

shari'ah follows the bible when it is convenient. if they need another excuse to murder someone, say, a leper.

just fyi, 4,000 homosexuals have been killed in iran since the revolution.

[RedAnarchist]

Shari'ah law advocates the domination of society by religious superstition and dogma. Therefore the working classes of all Arab/Muslim countries should oppose it completly.

[Dean]

I won't claim to be an expert on the law, but I would say that they are probably not free at all. for one thing, freedom is a psychological problem - stalinists who went to their grave during stalin's purges still admiring were certainly victims of psychological domination. so is anyone who believes that they are free if they are subject to these regulations or if they believe in them at all. freedom is a state of mind in which you may be spontaneous; i am sure that many christians for instance find themselves wanting to work on the sabbath, but being unable to due to their following of strict interpretation of the old testament. Also, holding a dogma that something exists without empirical knowledge of it limits your capability to know, and that is another limit on freedom.

[Rex]

I come from a muslim family, so I might be able to give some input on this.

Shari'ah law, to the extenet of my knowledge, doesn't come from the koran, but it comes from the hadith, or the recountings of the Prophet mohammed. It covers alot of things not mentioned in the Koran.

That small quibble aside, I totally agree. It is opressive and dysfunctional.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 12:27 PM
Shari'ah Law is taken from the Qu'ran and everything within the state is based purely on what the Qu'ran says.
Not especially.

As Rex says, it's more the Hadith than the Quran. The Quran-only people are actually a version of liberal theology, since a lot of the worst stuff is in the Hadith.

Then, on the Shi'a side, the ayatollahs and whatnot interpret the law; come up with their own judgements and so forth - kinda like the pope only there's more than one of 'em.

On the Sunni side, there are at least 4 traditional schools of Islamic law (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, Hanbali) - which disagree on all kinds of things. Which Hadith are valid, methods of interpretation, etc.

My point here: like anyone else, Islamic law judges believe what they want to believe.

They all alter Sharia to suit their needs. Sometimes this makes it a little more liberal; sometimes they actually make it more restrictive and oppressive. (As in Afghanistan, for example; there's nothing in the Quran or Hadith saying women and girls can't work or go to school.)

You're really doing the reactionaries a favor when you accept their claims at face value and say their law is some eternal, unchanged version of Quranic law....

[Raisa]

The sharia aint shit....

The sharia is a bourgeois interpretation of Allahs message to the people.

Like to cut your hands off if you steal.....
but that neglects where we are supposed to fight our opressor untill they stop opresing us. So is it to cut your hands off if you steal in classless society.

You can read the hadith alittle but the Prophet was sent to devliver the Quaran.

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 06:27 PM
Shari'ah Law is taken from the Qu'ran and everything within the state is based purely on what the Qu'ran says.


Great spectral fascism; brilliant! :D

[tecumseh]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2006, 07:02 AM
The sharia aint shit....

The sharia is a bourgeois interpretation of Allahs message to the people.

Like to cut your hands off if you steal.....
but that neglects where we are supposed to fight our opressor untill they stop opresing us. So is it to cut your hands off if you steal in classless society.

You can read the hadith alittle but the Prophet was sent to devliver the Quaran.
I don't understand, are you implying that Muslim women should be forced to wear headscarves, forced to marry only Muslim men, and Muslims who change religions or become athiest be branded an apostate and be subjected to torture and death, not to mention the stoning of adulterors (most of whom are rape victims)?

Do you also agree or disagree with the cutting off of hands and feet of people who steal, even if it is in a classless society?

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2006, 07:02 AM
but the Prophet was sent to..
The "prophet," was sent here for nothing; he was a deranged opportunist, and a tyrant of thought; and his philosophy has done nothing but enslave the people more and more, and cause death, and frustration all in the name of an imaginary brat named allah!

[Severian]

Originally posted by tecumseh+Sep 30 2006, 05:14 AM--> (tecumseh @ Sep 30 2006, 05:14 AM)
[email protected] 29 2006, 07:02 AM
The sharia aint shit....

The sharia is a bourgeois interpretation of Allahs message to the people.

Like to cut your hands off if you steal.....
but that neglects where we are supposed to fight our opressor untill they stop opresing us. So is it to cut your hands off if you steal in classless society.

You can read the hadith alittle but the Prophet was sent to devliver the Quaran.
I don't understand, are you implying that Muslim women should be forced to wear headscarves, forced to marry only Muslim men, and Muslims who change religions or become athiest be branded an apostate and be subjected to torture and death, not to mention the stoning of adulterors (most of whom are rape victims)? [/b]
I think she's saying all that is a "bourgeois interpretation" which "ain't shit", not Allah's true message.

Which is a pretty pointless argument, IMO: has anyone spoken to Allah? How would anyone know what his "true message" is?

But if people who are part of Islam anyway, want to try to change it....I'm not gonna try to stop 'em. Good luck. They'll need it.

My point in my earlier post is that you shouldn't try to help the more reactionary side of these conflicts over interpretation of Islam.....