working at mcdonalds..

[homeo_apathy]

Gday everyone,
I'm fuckin' ashamed to say that i work at McDonalds
...although i doubt im an assett to the business, due to my lazy arsed attempts to make cheeseburgers ... i still feel bad about working there,
What should i do? ...quit?
or sabotage burgers so people sue them for billions and they go outta business... :)

[RaiseYourVoice]

Well if you need to work there to earn your living... do so. most of us live in wage slavery, this is the system we live in, we cant help it for now.
if you dont need that job or can find one at a better company i would say do so.


sabotage from the inside might be something good, but it needs to be well thought and you need to inform youself about consequences. also you shouldnt announce that on an internet board.
if you do something to the burgers the problem is, you hurt people that just want something to eat. its not the much of the capitalists go eat at mcdonads, its the average joe.

if you were in a higher position you could try to find information to use against mcdonalds but i doubt they'll show that to people who make the cheeseburgers

[Ian]

I worked there, just be a rude prick to all the customers like I was.

[LuXe]

Dont sabotage the burgers. That doesnt help anyone... Especially if a fellow commy ate there. (And a regular person, which may not deserve this)

However, if you need the money work there..

Or else. Quit.

[homeo_apathy]

yea i wasn't really serious when i said that part... :)
but yeah i feel bad becasue i don't need the money, it sole pupose is music and alcohol

[homeo_apathy]

whoops, this shouldn't really be in learning...

[Marion]

Not sure if they're still going, but you may want to hook up with the peeps at:

http://www.mwr.org.uk/home.htm

[Rollo]

#1 Download music ( I haave lots of sources if you ever need somewhere to get full albums )

#2 Go out with a bang.

Come into work with a shirt covered in hammer and sickles ( no matter what ideology you are ) and mcfuck on it. Get changed and keep the mcfuck shirt on underneath so part of it is visible still. Pass out at the register. 'Accidently' upsize people who you think you might know meals and give them extra shit. Make a terrible excuse for a cheesburger and just fuck everything up the entire day until you're fired.

Once fired get a job at a department store.

Aslong as you don't have to work at the counters you'll be getting paid to play videogames in no time.

[afrikaNOW]

I don't see the point of causing trouble and getting fired? Why not jus quit?

Alot of your suggestions are immature antics and not revolutionary at all.

[Ian]

i remember not setting the teflons on right, for a whole day the burgers were undercooked and pink, only like 2 people complained

[Rollo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 11:08 PM
I don't see the point of causing trouble and getting fired? Why not jus quit?

Alot of your suggestions are immature antics and not revolutionary at all.
So everything we do needs to be revolutionary? I don't remember the last time I took a revolutionary dump. Ever hear of recreation?

[Comrade Marcel]

Just give away free stuff all the time. That's what my comrade did.

You can also do weird stuff, like mix ingredients together to make stuff that's not on the menu then serve them up to the customers. You could make it funny and say it's a free sample of something new Ronald's thinking of putting on the menu. Make like an FBLTC (Fish, Bacon, lettuce and cheese) sandwich; try putting breakfast ingredients in the regular menu, or ground up burger meat in the Mcflurries. Be creative. :D

Oh, but don't come back here to chew me out if you get fired. :P ;)

[Tower of Bebel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 11:38 AM
Gday everyone,
I'm fuckin' ashamed to say that i work at McDonalds
...although i doubt im an assett to the business, due to my lazy arsed attempts to make cheeseburgers ... i still feel bad about working there,
What should i do? ...quit?
or sabotage burgers so people sue them for billions and they go outta business... :)
IMO there's nothing wrong. Many people work for companies that destroy the world, but what can they do? It's wage slavery everywhere.
be happy you have a job. In Palestine 40% of the men (not to speak of women) don't have jobs. As long as you support people who try to change the world into a better world for everyone, it's fine by me if you work for Mc Donalds, it's the inside of every worker that counts :) .

[Martin Blank]

I'm with Raccoon on this one. There is nothing wrong with working at McDonalds. In many ways, it's no different than working at Ford or any other capitalist corporation. The last thing in the world to be is ashamed.

If you're upset about the conditions, then it sounds like you need a union. Contact the IWW or other unions and see about organizing possibilities.

Miles

[Rollo]

IF you can find a better job have some fun on your last day.

[afrikaNOW]

Originally posted by Rollo+Sep 13 2006, 01:26 PM--> (Rollo @ Sep 13 2006, 01:26 PM)
[email protected] 13 2006, 11:08 PM
I don't see the point of causing trouble and getting fired? Why not jus quit?

Alot of your suggestions are immature antics and not revolutionary at all.
So everything we do needs to be revolutionary? I don't remember the last time I took a revolutionary dump. Ever hear of recreation? [/b]
This is revolutionary left dot com he posted in the Learning section and now its in the practice section. If this was in chit-chat, give him nonrevolutionary ideas or funny antics, its taken more lightly there.


I dont even know why you are trying to compare recreation or bowel movements with class struggle or the revolution.

grow up.

[Rollo]

So wearing a communist/anti capitalist shirt and giving away free things thus taking away from the organisation isn't revolutionary anyways?

Read.

Just to point it out I didn't mention fecal matter until the second post.

I suggested he give his friends free food <------ (reactionary wtflolbbq ) and wear a t-shirt that would annoy his manager.

[MiniOswald]

turn up dressed as the burger king and tell your boss youve gone over to the dark side.

[Janus]

turn up dressed as the burger king and tell your boss youve gone over to the dark side.
:lol:

If you really don&#39;t like the job then you should just get a different job elsewhere.

[homeo_apathy]

hmm the actual work isnt too bad.....i just don&#39;t like supporting the company by working , but i guess thats gunna be a problem wherever i get a job...

[which doctor]

I wouldn&#39;t worry &#39;bout it too much.

Do what you need to to pay the bills.

[Ander]

If you don&#39;t work there, someone else will. You might as well take the money but be sure to give away lots of free food. That&#39;s what I would do.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

I worked at McDonald&#39;s before, but I don&#39;t anymore (moved off to uni). I don&#39;t ever want to work there again. I went on an LoA so I could get a better reference (I will officially quit once I find a job in the summer). You won&#39;t find a justification that makes working there any more bearable. Trust me, I tried.

If everyone does something illegitimate, you stopping does not solve the problem. However, that is no excuse not to stop. I was also a vegetarian so it made it even more difficult to work there. However, I was primarily disgusted with providing unhealthy slop to my fellow workers who will wonder why they have a heart attack at 40. I got paid more than what I was doing was worth, but I worked much harder than what I was being paid.

[drain.you]

I started my first job like 14weeks ago now. It sucks knowing that I&#39;m helping a big ass company. It sucks knowing that I cant live without the money they give me.
It sucks knowing that I&#39;m dispensible. Half the reason capitalism works is that there is a surplus amount of workers. ie: more workers than jobs and therefore, you must conform to how a company wants you to be or lose your job, the second you dont conform and you lose your job, you are replaced.
The best thing to do is to give away free shit, steal money and lower their profits in anyway that you can without getting caught or fired.
Stay in the belly of the beast, then you can cut it from the inside, on the outside it has claws and teeth.
Be careful comrade but do what you can.

[Folk The System]

hmmm if you DO find another job and decide to quit, i think a really awesome idea would be to put anti-mcdonalds pamphlets and propoganda inside peoples take-out bags....

you might even be able to slip an occasional one into drive thru bags, and keep your job, seeing as how alot of people won topen the bag until they get home, etc. it&#39;d be risky though.

[RNK]

Here&#39;s a better idea. Try to educate your co-workers about Communism, particularly how it relates to their jobs there. Try to organize a little "mini-union" to protect your jobs. Basically, start the Revolution from there&#33;

[Comeback Kid]

Make excess burgers ect and give to the poor. everyone likes burgurs

[Rollo]

Originally posted by Comeback [email protected] 19 2006, 04:35 PM
Make excess burgers ect and give to the poor. everyone likes burgurs
Careful, afrikaNOW will tell you off for this childish behaviour&#33;

[Comeback Kid]

pipe down chachi

[Rollo]

Yeah I was kidding, AN told me to stop being stupid and childish when I suggested giving food out.

[zinzara]

I work at Walmart *ack*. i think walmart is one of the biggest capitalist companies out there. but they are paying me a lot better than any other place around. i work in electronics and sit there and play games, watch movies, and listen to music all the time. when i ring people up on the register i do price changes to make things cheaper. but i if i did it all the time my manager would find out. cause there are records of all that. i also overlook "suspicious" customers so more people can steal stuff. lol. i can&#39;t afford to lose my job though. so i don&#39;t do drastic stuff. i believe it&#39;s my duty to cause walmart to lose money so yeah.

[anarchista feminista]

I&#39;ve worked there twice. I didn&#39;t need the money the first time. But then I decided I needed to start saving for my trip to England. Unfortunately I wasn&#39;t earning enough. I intended to quit in some kind of meaningful way. I wanted to write a long and ranting letter about murder, capitalism etc etc. But I kinda just stopped turning up. They rang home asking for me but my mum ended up quitting for me because I was out. Shameful. I plan to write them a letter still. Best if they don&#39;t know it&#39;s me (but they probably will) because they can provide good references depending how long you work there. For now, I&#39;m turned off working for a bit. I&#39;ve got to think of other ways to get enough cash to go to England. I&#39;m still in school and at home, I can&#39;t get any assistance from the government. Alright I&#39;ve gone completely off topic :)
A//E

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

In the U.S., in many states, former employers aren&#39;t allowed to bad talk you. If a potential employer calls them, all they can do is confirm that you worked from one date to another, your wages, etc. They can say you missed alot of days if you did, but they can&#39;t say "oh he was a shit worker".

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Oh, and http://www.iww.org

[Raisa]

You work at MCDONALDS?&#33;


Put some of the vanialla milk shake ice cream into your coffee with sugar and caramel sauce and then stir with a straw.

It makes your work day better.

now go make me a cheese burger with no meat&#33;

[piet11111]

i suppose it would be fun to turn off the fridges when leaving.
especially when the place is closed for a few days (weekend or holidays)
or calling to whatever agency looks after asbestos and say that junk is all over the workplace.

[ReD_ReBeL]

i really wouldent try and get fired mate,because it&#39;l jst go on your record and potentialy make it harder for u too get work in the future.

[counterblast]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2006 02:33 pm
Dont sabotage the burgers. That doesnt help anyone... Especially if a fellow commy ate there. (And a regular person, which may not deserve this)

However, if you need the money work there..

Or else. Quit.
If a commie ate at McDonalds, I would say she/he deserved what they were getting. Unlike those customers who are uninformed of the evil practices of large capitalist corporations; a communist knows about these dangers.

[counterblast]

Originally posted by afrikaNOW+September 13, 2006 08:28 pm--> (afrikaNOW @ September 13, 2006 08:28 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 01:26 PM

[email protected] 13 2006, 11:08 PM
I don&#39;t see the point of causing trouble and getting fired? Why not jus quit?

Alot of your suggestions are immature antics and not revolutionary at all.
So everything we do needs to be revolutionary? I don&#39;t remember the last time I took a revolutionary dump. Ever hear of recreation?
This is revolutionary left dot com he posted in the Learning section and now its in the practice section. If this was in chit-chat, give him nonrevolutionary ideas or funny antics, its taken more lightly there.


I dont even know why you are trying to compare recreation or bowel movements with class struggle or the revolution.

grow up. [/b]
If your revolution involves acting like an adult and reciting all-too-boring Karl Marx lectures on how revolution SHOULD happen, yet never doing anything towards change, you can count me out. Besides, adults and their concepts of morality are what ruined the world in the first place.

And the notion that children are ignorant is a capitalist one, so it&#39;d just be swell if you used another insult (or preferrably none at all). Children are more than the helpless inferiors capitalist society portrays them to be. Children have been completely excluded from having a voice in politics, sexuality, their own livelihood, and labor; so it&#39;s not surprising that you view us as naive.

We have endured, and continue to endure, the same hardships that Africans endured during apartheid and US/European slavery; so if you wouldn&#39;t use a racist phrase like "whiten up"; you certainly shouldn&#39;t use one like "grow up".

[Question everything]

if you&#39;re not the Janitor then put one of the burgers in the toilet and flush :lol:

here it is written on how to piss off McDonalds (not if you&#39;re an employee but... you might find something)


How To Terrorize McDonalds by the Jolly Roger
(Originally an Apple ][ file so excuse the upper case&#33;&#33;&#33;)

NOW, ALTHOUGH Mc DONALDS IS FAMOUS FOR IT&#39;S ADVERTISING AND MAKING THE
WHOLE WORLD THINK THAT THE BIG MAC IS THE BEST THING TO COME ALONG SINCE
SLICED BREAD (BUNS?), EACH LITTLE RESTAURANT IS AS AMATEUR AND SIMPLE AS
A NEW-FOUND BUSNESS. NOT ONLY ARE ALL THE EMPLOYEES RATHER INEXPERIENCED
AT WHAT THEY&#39;RE =SUPPOSED= TO DO, BUT THEY WILL JUST LOOSE ALL CONTROL WHEN
AN EMERGENCY OCCURS....HERE WE GO&#33;&#33;&#33; FIRST, GET A FEW FRIENDS (4 IS
GOOD...I&#39;LL GET TO THIS LATER) AND ENTER THE MCDONALDS RESTAURANT, TALKING
LOUDLY AND REAKING OF SOME STRANGE SMELL THAT AUTOMATICALLY MAKES THE OLD
COUPLE SITTING BY THE DOOR LEAVE. IF ONE OF THOSE PIMPLY-FACED GOONS IS
WIPING THE FLOOR, THEN TRACK SOME CRAP ALL OVER IT (YOU COULD PRETEND TO
SLIP AND BREAK YOUR HEAD, BUT YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY DO SO).
NEXT, BEFORE YOU GET THE FOOD, FIND A TABLE. START YELLING AND RELEASING
SOME STRANGE BODY ODOR SO =ANYBODY= WOULD LEAVE THEIR TABLE AND WALK OUT
THE DOOR. SIT 2 FRIENDS THERE, AND GO UP TO THE COUNTER WITH ANOTHER.
FIND A PLACE WHERE THE LINE IS SHORT, OR IF THE LINE IS LONG SAY "I ONLY
WANNA BUY A COKE" AND YOU GET MOVED UP. NOW, YOU GET TO DO THE =ORDERING=
...HEH HEH HEH. SOMEBODY =ALWAYS= MUST WANT A PLAIN
HAMBURGER WITH ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ON IT (THIS TAKES EXTRA TIME TO MAKE, AND
DRIVES THE LITTLE HAMBURGER-MAKERS INSANE)..ORDER A 9-PACK OF CHICKEN
MCNUGGETS...NO, A 20 PACK...NO, THREE 6 PACKS...WAIT...GO BACK TO THE TABLE
AND ASK WHO WANTS WHAT. YOUR OTHER FRIEND WAITS BY THE COUNTER AND MAKES A
PASS AT THE FEMALE CLERK. GET BACK TO THE THING AND ORDER THREE 6-PACKS OF
CHICKEN ETC....NOW SHE SAYS "WHAT KIND OF SAUCE WOULD YOU LIKE?".OF COURSE,
SAY THAT YOU ALL WANT BARBECUE SAUCE ONE OF YOUR FRIENDS WANTS 2 (ONLY IF
THERE ARE ONLY 2 CONTAINERS OF BARBECUE SAUCE LEFT).THEN THEY HAFTA GO INTO
THE STOREROOM AND OPEN UP ANOTHER BOX. FINALLY, THE DRINKS...SOMEBODY WANTS
COKE, SOMEBODY ROOT BEER, AND SOMEBODY DIET COKE. AFTER THESE ARE
DELIVERED,
BRING THEM BACK AND SAY "I DIDN&#39;T ORDER A DIET COKE&#33; I ORDERED A SPRITE&#33;"
THIS GETS THEM MAD; BETTER YET, TURN DOWN SOMETHING TERRIBLE THAT NOBODY
WANTS TO DRINK, SO THEY HAFTA THROW THE DRINK AWAY; THEY CAN&#39;T SELL IT.
AFTER ALL THE FOOD(?) IS HANDED TO YOU, YOU MUST =NEVER= HAVE ENOUGH MONEY
TO PAY. THE CLERK WILL BE SO ANGRY AND CONFUSED THAT SHE&#39;LL LET YA GET
AWAY WITH IT (ANOTHER INFLUENCE ON HER IS YOUR FRIEND ASKING HER "IF YOU
LET US GO I&#39;LL GO OUT WITH YOU" AND GIVING HER A FAKE FONE NUMBER).
NOW, BACK TO YOUR TABLE. BUT FIRST, SOMEBODY LIKES KETCHUP AND MUSTARD.
AND PLENTY (TOO MUCH) OF NAPKINS. OH, AND SOMEBODY LIKES FORKS AND KNIVES,
SO ALWAYS END UP BREAKING THE ONES YOU PICK OUTTA THE BOX. HAVE YOUR
FRIENDS YELL OUT,"YAY&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; WE HAVE MUNCHIES&#33;&#33;" AS LOUD AS THEY CAN.
THAT&#39;LL WORRY THE ENTIRE RESTAURANT. PROCEED TO SIT DOWN. SO, YOU ARE
SITTING IN THE SMOKING SECTION (BY ACCIDENT) EH? WELL, WHILE ONE OF THE
TOBACCO-BREATHERS ISN&#39;T LOOKING, PUT A SIGN FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
ROOM SAYING "DO NOT SMOKE HERE" AND HE&#39;LL HAFTA MOVE...THEN HE GOES INTO

THE REAL NON-SMOKING SECTION, AND GETS YELLED AT. HE THEN THINKS THAT
NO SMOKING IS ALLOWED IN THE RESTAURANT, SO HE EATS OUTSIDE (IN THE POUR-
ING RAIN) AFTER YOUR MEAL IS FINISHED (AND QUITE A FEW SPLATTERED-OPENED
KETCHUP PACKETS ARE ALL OVER YER TABLE), TRY TO LEAVE. BUT OOPS&#33; SOMEBODY
HAS TO DO HIS DUTY IN THE MEN&#39;S ROOM. AS HE GOES THERE, HE STICKS AN
UNEATED HAMBURGGR (WOULD YOU DARE TO EAT ONE OF THEIR HAMBURGERS?)
INSIDE THE TOILET, FLUSHES IT A WHILE,UNTIL IT RUNS ALL OVER THE BATHROOM.
OOPS&#33; SEND A PIMPLY-FACED TEENAGER TO CLEAN IT UP. (HE WON&#39;T KNOW THAT
BROWN THING IS A HAMBURGER, AND HE&#39;LL GET SICK. WHEEE&#33;)
AS YOU LEAVE THE RESTCURANT, LOOKING BACK AT YOUR UNCLEANED TABLE, SOMEBODY
MUST REMEMBER THAT THEY LEFT THEIR CHOCOLATE SHAKE THERE&#33; THE ONE THAT&#39;S
ALMOST FULL&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; HE TAKES IT THEN SAYS "THIS TASTES LIKE CRAP&#33;", THEN HE
TAKES OFF THE LID AND THROWS IT INTO THE GARBAGE CAN...OOPS&#33; HE MISSED,
AND NOW THE SAME POOR SOUL WHO&#39;S CLEANING UP THE BATHROOM NOW HASTA CLEAN
UP CHOCOLATE SHAKE. THEN LEAVE THE JOINT, REVERSING THE "YES, WE&#39;RE OPEN"
SIGN (AS A REMINDER OF YER VISIT THERE YOU HAVE IT&#33; YOU HAVE JUST PUT
ALL OF MCDONALDS INTO COMPLETE MAYHEM. AND SINCE THERE IS NO PENALTY FOR
LITTERING IN A RESTAURANT, BUGGING PEOPLE IN A PUBLIC EATERY (OR
THROW-UPERY, IN THIS CASE) YOU GET OFF SCOT-FREE. WASN&#39;T THAT FUN?

--------------Jolly Roger

oh and scam as much as you can.

[Question everything]

New Idea. Piss in the deep frier :P

[TC]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2006 04:42 am

And the notion that children are ignorant is a capitalist one, so it&#39;d just be swell if you used another insult (or preferrably none at all). Children are more than the helpless inferiors capitalist society portrays them to be. Children have been completely excluded from having a voice in politics, sexuality, their own livelihood, and labor; so it&#39;s not surprising that you view us as naive.

We have endured, and continue to endure, the same hardships that Africans endured during apartheid and US/European slavery; so if you wouldn&#39;t use a racist phrase like "whiten up"; you certainly shouldn&#39;t use one like "grow up".
I agree completely and think you&#39;re absolutely right.

although i would add, that the prevailing ideology that children are ignorant, innocent, and incompetent, is not a capitalist one as much as it is a patriarchal one, in that it predated capitalism and developed at the beginning of feudal class society as way of rationalizing allow parents to treat their children as property...it carried on by the bourgeois into capitalism because its equally useful for the current ruling class as it was to the previous ruling class.


The fact that, even on the left, people have a flippant attitude towards the institutional and legal oppression of children to the point of reducing them to chattel property, does not reflect on the fact that their oppression is less real, valid, or significant, than the past chattel status of blacks, women, serfs, and so on, but only that those past forms of oppression are no longer ideologically hegemonic in bourgeois society, whereas the oppression of children remains so.

[Vanguard1917]

I agree with AfrikaNow. There&#39;s nothing clever (nevermind &#39;revolutionary&#39;) about immature tantrum-throwing at work.

If you don&#39;t like your working conditions, approach your fellow workers like a grown-up and convince them of the need to do something collectively. Spitting in burgers is, at best, the act of the frustrated adolescent, and it&#39;s counter-productive.


We have endured, and continue to endure, the same hardships that Africans endured during apartheid and US/European slavery;

Getting a slap on the backside once in a while for being naughty is like apartheid and slavery?


so if you wouldn&#39;t use a racist phrase like "whiten up"; you certainly shouldn&#39;t use one like "grow up"

Don&#39;t be ridiculous.

Children misbehave and it&#39;s the task of adults to guide children and teach them right from wrong. Children need to learn to grow up - from adults.

[Sir_No_Sir]

""Spitting in burgers is, at best, the act of the frustrated adolescent, and it&#39;s counter-productive.""

It doesn&#39;t do shit, but how is it counter-productive?

[Vanguard1917]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 08:11 pm
""Spitting in burgers is, at best, the act of the frustrated adolescent, and it&#39;s counter-productive.""

It doesn&#39;t do shit, but how is it counter-productive?
Because spitting on the products of human labour runs counter to our aims.

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

If you spit in or otherwise sabotage the actual burgers you&#39;re making it harder for people who only have enough money to eat there.

I&#39;d just work very slowly and innefficiently.

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by counterblast+December 14, 2006 11:22 pm--> (counterblast @ December 14, 2006 11:22 pm)
[email protected] 13, 2006 02:33 pm
Dont sabotage the burgers. That doesnt help anyone... Especially if a fellow commy ate there. (And a regular person, which may not deserve this)

However, if you need the money work there..

Or else. Quit.
If a commie ate at McDonalds, I would say she/he deserved what they were getting. Unlike those customers who are uninformed of the evil practices of large capitalist corporations; a communist knows about these dangers. [/b]
I eat there sometimes. Granted, I don&#39;t really like it, but I&#39;m not exactly the wealthiest person in the world. There often isn&#39;t that much food at my house, so I&#39;m forced to eat out, and often times at cheap places.

Don&#39;t spit in the burgers or sabotage people&#39;s food because that serves no purpose whatsoever. The people that eat at McDonald&#39;s are generally poorer people who can&#39;t afford to eat anywhere else. The best thing you could do would be to organize your fellow workers into a union and make whatever demands you have known to the management.

[Marsella]

The best thing you could do would be to organize your fellow workers into a union and make whatever demands you have known to the management.

Forming a union is basis for being fired. At least when I applied you had to state all organisations/societies/unions you belonged to and failure to do so could result in firing.

[RaiseYourVoice]

Originally posted by counterblast+December 15, 2006 04:22 am--> (counterblast @ December 15, 2006 04:22 am)
[email protected] 13, 2006 02:33 pm
Dont sabotage the burgers. That doesnt help anyone... Especially if a fellow commy ate there. (And a regular person, which may not deserve this)

However, if you need the money work there..

Or else. Quit.
If a commie ate at McDonalds, I would say she/he deserved what they were getting. Unlike those customers who are uninformed of the evil practices of large capitalist corporations; a communist knows about these dangers. [/b]
I eat at mcdonalds for the same reasons as Fawkes, but apart from that its not anti-communist to eat there. as a communist you should realize that workers are exploited EVERYWHERE. do you want to draw a line about whats too much exploitation? too much damaging the enviroment?etc. or will you accept that the system itself and not only individual cooperations are the problem.

If you want to improve working conditions at mcdonalds, that wont happen just because you dont eat there. it might be of some use to gather public support for you case and call for a generall boycott till for example unionisation will be allowed.

not eating at mcdonalds itself is, as a revolutionary action, completly useless, it may only help to salve your consciences, if that is what you want.

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2007 08:16 pm

The best thing you could do would be to organize your fellow workers into a union and make whatever demands you have known to the management.

Forming a union is basis for being fired. At least when I applied you had to state all organisations/societies/unions you belonged to and failure to do so could result in firing.
That depends on where you live. I know that in a lot of workplaces in the U.S., it is illegal for an employer to fire an employee based solely on union membership. Also, you should try to get as many workers in the union as possible prior to going public so if any of you are fired, the rest all go on strike.

[classwarveteran]

Other than the chance of getting Mad Cow disease, I don&#39;t see a problem with eating at McD&#39;s, especially if cost is a consideration. Surely, all these granola-type restaurants serving soy products are actually doing just as much harm to environments.

You can&#39;t boycott capitalism. No matter what Adbusters or Crimethinc. tells you. If it is not McD&#39;s running the meat show, it will be a "mom-and-pop" outfit which suddenly becomes trendy as the alternative, and will rise to take the place of McD&#39;s. Anyhow, it&#39;s usually harder to organize the mom-and-pop places.

If you are going to organize, I would contact someone with experience first. I know that there have been successful organizing drives as McD&#39;s in Europe, but not aware of any in North America.

If you get fired for union organizing and can prove it, in the US you can get reinstatement and back-pay, but this is usually after organizing drives have been crushed. Now, if you happen to slip on grease and injure yourself...

You might try getting in touch with the IWW&#39;s Regional Organizing Committee in Australia, if that&#39;s where you&#39;re from.

[Red October]

if i worked there i wouldnt spit in everyone&#39;s burgers, but i dont see a problem with spitting in a cop&#39;s burger or someone who&#39;s being a total asshole to the workers.

[which doctor]

If a commie ate at McDonalds, I would say she/he deserved what they were getting. Unlike those customers who are uninformed of the evil practices of large capitalist corporations; a communist knows about these dangers.

Eating at small capitalist enterprises is no better than eating at large capitalist corporations.

Remember, every large evil capitalist company once started out as a really small one.

[classwarveteran]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 21, 2007 07:04 pm
if i worked there i wouldnt spit in everyone&#39;s burgers, but i dont see a problem with spitting in a cop&#39;s burger or someone who&#39;s being a total asshole to the workers.
I don&#39;t think it would really accomplish anything other than some self-congratulatory feelings, but if there were cameras or other ways to track your actions (like checking saliva - some cops are savvy), then you would be charged w/ aggravated assault. I recall reading a case about that somewhere. :ph34r:

[Fascist-Hunter]

I also worked for McDonalds. The worst thing was the heat, especially during the summer months. So the best thing would be to quit and try to find a job at your local subway store, where it is alway cool (not hot machines etc.).

[Chocobo]

I didnt read the rest of this thread, just page 3, and someone may have already posted this, but have you seen McDonalds sweatshops in Miami? Coalition of Immokalee Workers (http://www.ciw-online.org/)

I understand that capitalist corporations and franchises all suck, any place that uses wage labor sucks, but we can avoid funding sweatshop corporations as much as possible. The real debate with funding McDonalds or not is one&#39;s own financial status. If you don&#39;t have a lot of money, then you can&#39;t afford to buy from independent, but you continue feeding these corporate franchises and continue funding the unlivable wage, uneducated, sweatshop-labored jobs. For me, I live in middle/upper class suburban america, I work a job and get 7.75 an hour, still in highschool, and well...I don&#39;t have to support so I don&#39;t have to fund those places, but I understand for those who need the cheap food to get by.

[classwarveteran]

Originally posted by Fascist&#045;[email protected] 22, 2007 07:46 am
I also worked for McDonalds. The worst thing was the heat, especially during the summer months. So the best thing would be to quit and try to find a job at your local subway store, where it is alway cool (not hot machines etc.).
Sounds like it&#39;s time to organize for some ventilation. I&#39;m curious to know if all McD&#39;s are like that. Not enough central air current or venting of heat put off by machines may be a more store specific problem. If so, that&#39;s actually easier to handle.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Alot of resturaunts are like that.. not just McDonald&#39;s.

[classwarveteran]

Well, I&#39;ve seen people sweating-up a shitstorm before, but that was usually line cooks or pizza workers dealing with the large ovens. I would think most fast food places tend to be a little different because they are often just zapping stuff in the microwave or quick-heating items, even though one is running around quite a bit.

I&#39;ll add that I&#39;ve been lucky not to have to do that kind of food service work yet, but all things come to an end sometime...

[EwokUtopia]

1-Go to this site http://www.g7welcomingcommittee.com/downloads/
2-scroll down to "Rhythem Activism"
3-Download "Ronald Fucking Mcdonald"
4-put it on a cd
5bring some form of CD player to work
6-blast it really loud and see what happens



Dont let them turn it off, whatever you do.


And always remember, Minimum wage and minimum effort go hand in hand

[Question everything]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 06:46 am
1-Go to this site http://www.g7welcomingcommittee.com/downloads/
2-scroll down to "Rhythem Activism"
3-Download "Ronald Fucking Mcdonald"
4-put it on a cd
5bring some form of CD player to work
6-blast it really loud and see what happens



Dont let them turn it off, whatever you do.


And always remember, Minimum wage and minimum effort go hand in hand
Awesome Song :D it&#39;s on my Mp3 it still makes me laugh... know where I can find a free (legal) "Jesus was Gay"?

[Sickle of Justice]

write facts about the meals one the napkins. mcdonalds generally makes it virtually impossible for people to tell what they&#39;re eating.

also, try and convert people into the movement. mcdonalds is a shit job and a perfect example of the drugery of capitalism.

[Sickle of Justice]

but make damn sure that your facts about the meals are true, likely hidden somewhere in a mcdonalds website. otherwise they&#39;ll sue your ass for libel.

also, its a good idea to try and start a union. get in contact with the IWW or something.

[Sickle of Justice]

Sabotoging food isn&#39;t a good idea though. they would never be sued successfully, and, well, its just uncool. most of the people who go to mcdonalds are prolitariate, and have nothing to do with mcdonalds corporate tyranny. fucking with food should only be done either with specific targets or at obvious bourgeois resteraunts.

[anarchista feminista]

Originally posted by Sickle of [email protected] 30, 2007 05:53 am
but make damn sure that your facts about the meals are true, likely hidden somewhere in a mcdonalds website. otherwise they&#39;ll sue your ass for libel.
I worked there myself. The employees, managers included, are told no more about the contents of the food than the customers. They basically advertise the ingredients and nutritional information. There is alot of shit in their food. And everyone says that it&#39;s all rumours. That&#39;s actually true though, like they only use vegetable oil not pig fat or whatever it is people say. I hate them for the fact that they are a major corporation and responsible for the murder of so many animals. When it comes to what people are eating, they know what&#39;s in it. And they know it&#39;s shit for them and processed. If people are going to eat crap, they will.

[Entrails Konfetti]

McDonalds was the first place I worked, I pondered the question of organizing-- but most places that organized McDs are places like Russia, where its alot of adults working in the restraunts and its dead end for them. Most of the people I worked with at McDonalds were like myself at the time, highschool students, and they thought they&#39;d only stay at the place for a couple months anyhow-- to keep their parents off their back for a while, or until they find another job.

If you&#39;re not working with many adults or people who may be there for a while, you&#39;re probably not going to organize. So the next best thing to do is give out free food, make a quarter pounder into a double quarter pounder; make a double quarter pounder into a pounder; big mac into mega macs-- four beef patties. No one will ever complain&#33; Ofcourse stealing is good if you don&#39;t get caught.

Also, you could always act incompetant, yes they only pay you minimum wage-- so they get what they pay for, but this usually means the workload is placed on some other worker, seldom a manager or an assistance manager-- and basically though these so-called managers (yes they are fucking dicks) are paid salary, if it were divided hourly they&#39;re pretty much making the same as you, though working full time and some health benefits, so if you make them do you work, you&#39;re not really sticking it to the man.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by Sickle of [email protected] 30, 2007 11:21 pm
Sabotoging food isn&#39;t a good idea though. they would never be sued successfully, and, well, its just uncool. most of the people who go to mcdonalds are prolitariate, and have nothing to do with mcdonalds corporate tyranny. fucking with food should only be done either with specific targets or at obvious bourgeois resteraunts.
Usually there are only like 3 people working the food maqking section, so its kind of easy to get caught if you sabotage someones happy meal.

[homeo_apathy]

woah this is still going from nearly a year ago....sweet....i dont work there anymore lol. i still pretend i do n go in and the people workin give me free stuff... :ph34r:

[Question everything]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 08:52 am
woah this is still going from nearly a year ago....sweet....i dont work there anymore lol. i still pretend i do n go in and the people workin give me free stuff... :ph34r:
:lol: :lol: :lol: