Black Panthers today?

[H.A.C.B. Revolution]

Does anyone think a group with the same line as the black panther party for self defence could operate today?

[Sadena Meti]

Originally posted by H.A.C.B. [email protected] 10 2006, 09:05 PM
Does anyone think a group with the same line as the black panther party for self defence could operate today?
Laws have changed, attitudes have changed. This is the "new american century", if a group raised it's head up in that way, it will get cracked down.

So, operate? Or operate openly?

[afrikaNOW]

Yes, its possible and their are groups that are doing so, just havent reached the popularity as the original BPP.

[SPK]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 10:44 PM
Yes, its possible and their are groups that are doing so, just havent reached the popularity as the original BPP.
Are you talking about the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense? What other groups?

[CombatLiberalism]

There is no New Black Panther Party.

Two organizations that have a similar line to the Black Panther Party are IRTR and MIM.

http://irtr.org
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM

MIM maintains the online BPP Newspaper Collection, you can check it out on their webpage. There is the New Afrikan Maoist Party (NAMP) who participate at the People's University on the IRTR forums linked above.

[SPK]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 11:55 AM
There is no New Black Panther Party.
Then what is this? NBPP (http://newblackpanther.com/SITE/)

The NBPP has people in the city where I live in tejas. I see them about at progressive events.

[bcbm]

The NBPP has nothing to do with the original BPP and has been completely disowned by them.

[CombatLiberalism]

I could run around in a funny hat and call myself Napoleon, I wouldn't mean I was his reincarnation.

[Iseult_]

I don't believe in separating workers by race. That plays right into the racists hands. We need to stick together regardless of skin color.

[KC]

I don't believe in separating workers by race. That plays right into the racists hands. We need to stick together regardless of skin color.

:rolleyes:

The Black Panther Party didn't "separate workers by race". In fact, they actively worked with members of other races.

[Umoja]

The problem Blacks have in America is they are stigmatized when they try to seperate by race. I'm not gonna make any friends by saying this, but the black panther party realized that the only way to increase black... parity in American society was to advocate more autonomy. Every ethnic group.... hell every group needs to work towards greater autonomy it's the basis of economic power.

I feel that the 'new America' is so anti-autonomy that it's weakened the black community to the point where that's not even the goal of black leaders anymore. It's a sad state of affairs.

[afrikaNOW]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 06:16 PM
The problem Blacks have in America is they are stigmatized when they try to seperate by race. I'm not gonna make any friends by saying this, but the black panther party realized that the only way to increase black... parity in American society was to advocate more autonomy. Every ethnic group.... hell every group needs to work towards greater autonomy it's the basis of economic power.

I feel that the 'new America' is so anti-autonomy that it's weakened the black community to the point where that's not even the goal of black leaders anymore. It's a sad state of affairs.
You already know i agree with you.

[Iseult_]

I disagree. I think people of all ethnicities need to come together. It's only by joining forces that we can achieve a socialist victory!

[afrikaNOW]

Noone is claiming that unity will not achieve good outcomes.
The key here is self determination.

What we are saying is, we cannot wait for anyone to help us or we will be waiting forever!

And black banner, who disowns the NBPP? Bobby Seale and the Foundation? Last i checked, he wasn't all of the BPP and there's many former BPP members that do support the NBPP!

[Iseult_]

race based self-determination will only create racial discord. We need to unite as workers regardless of skin color.

[H.A.C.B. Revolution]

What about black nationalism, do you think it could ever be revived?

[midnight marauder]

Race based self determination isn't about distancing or separting one race for another. It's about recognizing that society has placed different social, political, and economic roles onto what it considers to different races, and tailoring our liberation strategy to those roles specifically.

Keep in mind, that as Comrade Khayembii Communique stated, establishing different paths to meet the needs of a specific community doesn't necessitate dividing or separating that group of people from other groups in society.

[RedKnight]

What are your views on inter-marriage between different ethnic nationalitys?

[Hampton]

Black Nationalism much like Black Power will always be around, though it may not go by that specific name.

[Iseult_]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2006, 02:03 PM
What are your views on inter-marriage between different ethnic nationalitys?
I know three white men who are married to black women and they all seem to be very happy.

[Hiero]

Different race groups face different economic and social conditions.

Apart from this fact, how can people achieve cultural and national autonomy by incorporating people outside the group?

A good example to illustrate the answer, is the PFLP's analysis. They viewed Palestinian liberation as nationalism. To achieve national independence, it was Palestinians who had to fight. Only the national people can lead to their liberation.

However the PFLP understand their national goal as being part of a larger goal. That being proletariat revolution. Here the national liberation connects with the class liberation.

In this way we see how national/race/ethnic based groups are commited to unity of the working class. Hopefuly Iseult, I have made the situation of race based politics a bit clearer by looking at a situation that is more defined in land and obvious nations. Something which can be confusing in Western nations that have occupied Indigenous people or enslaved others.

[Pirate Utopian]

is there also a new white panthersparty?
cause i know you had it back then

[Iseult_]

hiero -

I think people should marry who ever they want. The color of their doesn't matter.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 04:55 PM
There is no New Black Panther Party.

Two organizations that have a similar line to the Black Panther Party are IRTR and MIM.

http://irtr.org
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM

MIM maintains the online BPP Newspaper Collection, you can check it out on their webpage. There is the New Afrikan Maoist Party (NAMP) who participate at the People's University on the IRTR forums linked above.
What if you don't beleive Stalin was god?

[H.A.C.B. Revolution]

What if you don't beleive Stalin was god?


What if you do?

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by H.A.C.B. [email protected] 13 2006, 01:04 AM

What if you don't beleive Stalin was god?


What if you do?
Than join MIM

[H.A.C.B. Revolution]

Than join MIM


Revolution.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 04:16 AM
hiero -

I think people should marry who ever they want. The color of their doesn't matter.
....Ok then.

[Janus]

Does anyone think a group with the same line as the black panther party for self defence could operate today?
They can't perform some of the activities that the BP used to be able to due to stricter gun laws,etc. Otherwise I think that a resurgence of a strong movement like the BP would actually be quite an interesting event in the US by helping to channel an oppressed race's anger into more constructive means.

[afrikaNOW]

What activities can they not perform besides maybe armed patrol or riding with unloaded shotguns in their car?

[Janus]

What activities can they not perform besides maybe armed patrol or riding with unloaded shotguns in their car?
Community services such as providing support and aid to low-income families.

[Hiero]

I read that the American Indian Movement still patrol Indigenous communities. They keep check on police movements and welfare of Ingigenous people, im not sure how common it is.

[Ze]

The view that revolutionary workers' parties shouldn't differentiate between ethnicities is completely valid in my view. However, for minorities in the US, passive racism and the lack of privilege that is offered to whites makes ethnic based groups an understandable answer to current conditions. Fred Hampton created the Rainbow Coalition between a bunch of different progressive groups in the 60's with the idea that a future society will have to be achieved with all oppressed peoples united. Revolution is constant progressive change. The Black Panthers recognized that. There is no such thing as race. Only class. The opressed and the opressors.

With that being said, I miss the Weathermen but at the same token, I miss John Lennon.

[afrikaNOW]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 06:18 AM

What activities can they not perform besides maybe armed patrol or riding with unloaded shotguns in their car?
Community services such as providing support and aid to low-income families.
There are many organizations doing community services programs as the BPP?

[newafrikanmaoist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2006 06:54 pm
There is no New Black Panther Party.

Two organizations that have a similar line to the Black Panther Party are IRTR and MIM.

http://irtr.org
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM

MIM maintains the online BPP Newspaper Collection, you can check it out on their webpage. There is the New Afrikan Maoist Party (NAMP) who participate at the People's University on the IRTR forums linked above.
New Afrikan Maoist Party (http://www.newafrikanmaoists.org/) has its publications online now.

[Autonome-Antifa]

One of the old leaders lives in amsterdam i met him on a demo. He is a good guy with a great story.

[The-Spark]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2006 04:02 pm
What are your views on inter-marriage between different ethnic nationalitys?
My moms white and my dads black, and theres nothing really different about inter-racial marriage at all. Their just in love like everyone else.

[Tatarin]

What are your views on inter-marriage between different ethnic nationalitys?

This is an odd question to ask on a leftist forum? :huh:

[The-Spark]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 10:23 pm

What are your views on inter-marriage between different ethnic nationalitys?

This is an odd question to ask on a leftist forum? :huh:
I know eh :P , you think he needs directions?

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

One must be proud of who they are. But on the same token, when some one hates others for their race then there is a problem.

Now, I don't know much about The Panthers so I am not gonna say anything.

[The-Spark]

I think people should be proud of their race yes, but they shouldnt feel superior because of their race.

[RedHal]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24, 2007 02:16 am
One must be proud of who they are. But on the same token, when some one hates others for their race then there is a problem.

Now, I don't know much about The Panthers so I am not gonna say anything.
That was as rediculous as do you agree with interracial marriages, black panther party had nothing to do with hating whitey. So bringing up these two subjects is stooopid :wacko: