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R_P_A_S
10th September 2006, 01:48
I find it that the main problem for people like my self and other newcomers to marx is that we grew up and view the world for what it is. capitalism. from every day life and deeds to "human nature"

how about we pretend for a moment. lets just say the revolution overthrew the goverment in our small country. now what.. first thngs first. step by step. what is the next step towards socialism.

PLEASE KEEP IT SIMPLE, and ALSO I BEG FOR SOME OF YOU NO TO STEER AWAY FROM THE MAIN SUBJECT AND QUESTION..
(sorry for the caps)

Question #1.

What would be the first step in our situation after the revolution towards socialism.

Question #2.

I am a college student, I work at a recording studio and I'm an aspiring music producer and want to start a social programs to alocate the profits of music sales into the community.
SO HOW WOULD MY LIFE CHANGE?

Question #3
WHAT DO YOU DO NOW? and WHAT WOULD BE YOUR JOB OR DUTIES in our NEW Socialist Country?

BreadBros
10th September 2006, 02:24
With any query like this the answer is simple: it's impossible to say. Remember Marx's most important contribution to knowledge of human society: human society does not arise out of abstract thoughts but out of material processes. We will not come up with a series of ideas, define them as being socialism and implement them dogmatically. Future human society will be determined by the way material forces effect us (the way we produce things, the technology available, the environment etc) and human relations to that. As such it will be determined by the individuals who participate in such a revolutionary change in society, not by us. BUT, we can imagine can't we?



Question #1.
What would be the first step in our situation after the revolution towards socialism.

The dismantling of capital-based production and capital-based social structures. Workplaces and production would be handed over to society as a whole. That may sound somewhat "abstract" but what it would mean is that ultimately production would be communal or social. For example, right now a farm is owned by a landowner who contracts labor to work it. It would instead be "owned" by society as a whole. The individuals most adept at running agricultural enterprises would likely be the ones who would decide to run the farms in order to make them as productive as possible. The same goes for workplaces of all magnitudes. Class distinctions would have to be erased as much as possible as fast as possible. Necessities like food, clothing, shelter, etc. would be redistributed equally amongst everyone regardless of previous class, whether they work, age, race, etc. although individuals attempting to destroy the new society or regress it towards the past would obviously be cut-off from society. "Ownership" over methods of production or wealth would become a thing of the past, no one would be able to hold power and be wealthier than others because of their special luck in being born to wealthy parents or ownership of a certain document. Work would ultimately be decided on what you want to do or are interested in, although certain crappy jobs that still exist would likely have to be collectively done (taking turns being trashmen for example) and there would be social pressure to do jobs that are vital to the existence of the new society. The technological and research side of human society would be redirected away from the industries of war, capitalist financing, profit-making technologies etc. towards the phasing out of aforementioned crappy jobs that no one wants to do with mechanization and technology, towards raising everyone's standard of living and making the production of food, textiles etc. more efficient and productive. In terms of decision making people would likely align themselves into groups of collectives (oftentimes belonging to multiple ones) based on location, field of work, interests, age, etc. Former apparatuses of domination and rule of one class, such as the current incarnation of police forces and the restrictions of liberties of such things like drug use would likely be done away with.


Question #2.
I am a college student, I work at a recording studio and I'm an aspiring music producer and want to start a social programs to alocate the profits of music sales into the community.
SO HOW WOULD MY LIFE CHANGE?

College education would radically change. Instead of teaching things that are only beneficial to the current structures of power, education would likely become focused on understanding the universe, human society, etc. Whatever concept of profits that would exist would likely be short-lived. Ownership and management of the music production firm you work for would be handed over to the individuals working on it instead of to whatever corporate or financial entity likely holds it now.


Question #3
WHAT DO YOU DO NOW? and WHAT WOULD BE YOUR JOB OR DUTIES in our NEW Socialist Country?

I'm a college student as well. I'm not positive what I even want to do in our current capitalist society, so in a Socialist society where there would likely be more freedom I am less sure. My immediate interest is film and I would like to pursue that, it would likely change in the same regards as music production would change for you. However, there would be many tasks to accomplish in a future society in terms of bare necessity and I might gravitate towards the field of agronomy, plant domestication and environmental biology to help make food production more efficient, more environmentally sustainable and more bountiful. I have very little technical experience in these fields but would be willing to learn (I have great interest in it) and it seems something that may be useful in such a transition.