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adz170
9th September 2006, 13:38
hey guys , i have been look for the correct toll of death which happened in twin towers , when i say this i mean fire fighters and police men. can any 1 elaborate on what they think is the correct total?
btw its rememberance in 2 days , so pay your respects with a moments silence at 12.
thx guys :D

Sweens6591
9th September 2006, 18:04
I don't know how many firefighters and policemen died at the WTC on September 11, but I believe they are included in the death toll which is 2,602.

emma_goldman
9th September 2006, 19:13
2,973 died total excluding the 19 hijackers.
246 on the four planes.
2602 in NYC in towers and on ground.
343 NYC Fire Department firefighters.
23 NYC Police Deparment.
37 Port Authority police officers.

24 missing to this day.

I'll pass on the moment of silence. ;)

homeo_apathy
11th September 2006, 01:52
i heard over 6000 have died due to the U.S's subsequent invasion

CCCPneubauten
11th September 2006, 02:03
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 04:14 PM
I'll pass on the moment of silence. ;)
Wow, aren't you an ass?

Look, they were innocent people, don't be a jackass.

An firefighter hardly controls US forign policy.

emma_goldman
11th September 2006, 02:42
Originally posted by CCCPneubauten+Sep 10 2006, 11:04 PM--> (CCCPneubauten @ Sep 10 2006, 11:04 PM)
[email protected] 9 2006, 04:14 PM
I'll pass on the moment of silence. ;)
Wow, aren't you an ass?

Look, they were innocent people, don't be a jackass.

An firefighter hardly controls US forign policy. [/b]
What does a moment of silence help? It doesn't.

which doctor
11th September 2006, 02:45
The "war on terror" - and by terrorists - has directly killed a minimum of 62,006 people, created 4.5 million refugees and cost the US more than the sum needed to pay off the debts of every poor nation on earth.

If estimates of other, unquantified, deaths - of insurgents, the Iraq military during the 2003 invasion, those not recorded individually by Western media, and those dying from wounds - are included, then the toll could reach as high as 180,000.

Ander
11th September 2006, 02:53
Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 08:46 PM
The "war on terror" - and by terrorists - has directly killed a minimum of 62,006 people, created 4.5 million refugees and cost the US more than the sum needed to pay off the debts of every poor nation on earth.

If estimates of other, unquantified, deaths - of insurgents, the Iraq military during the 2003 invasion, those not recorded individually by Western media, and those dying from wounds - are included, then the toll could reach as high as 180,000.
Sources?

bezdomni
11th September 2006, 05:42
30,000 people died in Chile as the result of the military junta on September 11, 1973.

The worst tragedy to ever occur on September 11, as far as I'm aware.

Tommie
11th September 2006, 07:17
Originally posted by CCCPneubauten+Sep 10 2006, 11:04 PM--> (CCCPneubauten @ Sep 10 2006, 11:04 PM)
[email protected] 9 2006, 04:14 PM
I'll pass on the moment of silence. ;)
Wow, aren't you an ass?

Look, they were innocent people, don't be a jackass.

An firefighter hardly controls US forign policy. [/b]
Well said. Pay your respects to all murdered civilians regardless of nationality.

black magick hustla
11th September 2006, 07:23
Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 02:43 AM
A few hundred thousand people died in Chile as the result of the military junta on September 11, 1973.

The worst tragedy to ever occur on September 11, as far as I'm aware.
They weren't a few hundred thousands comrade.

They were around 30 0000.

tecumseh
11th September 2006, 07:58
I will never forget September 11 2002

LoneRed
11th September 2006, 08:34
wow, this thread shows us who the true "liberals" are. wow, pay respect, Sorry im not gonna go out with all the hicks and pay respect. I will question it, but always pay respects to the thousands that died due to the 9/11 incident

( R )evolution
11th September 2006, 08:46
There are innocent civilans. If they were military targets I would celebrating but they are innocent civilans, we should always pay respect for the deaths of innocent civilans.

Tommie
11th September 2006, 08:57
Originally posted by Machiavelli [email protected] 11 2006, 05:47 AM
There are innocent civilans. If they were military targets I would celebrating but they are innocent civilans, we should always pay respect for the deaths of innocent civilans.
Agreed.

The Grey Blur
11th September 2006, 20:33
There's a difference between celebrating and simply having an indifferent attitude to the whole thing

Iseult_
11th September 2006, 21:47
The victims of 9/11 were innocent civilians. Shame on anyone who mocks the brutal murder of innocent men, women and children.

shorelinetrance
12th September 2006, 03:46
Not enough.

OneBrickOneVoice
12th September 2006, 04:17
Originally posted by Machiavelli [email protected] 11 2006, 05:47 AM
There are innocent civilans. If they were military targets I would celebrating but they are innocent civilans, we should always pay respect for the deaths of innocent civilans.
WTF? So you find terrorism great if it's against soldiers?

which doctor
12th September 2006, 05:02
Originally posted by Jello+Sep 10 2006, 06:54 PM--> (Jello @ Sep 10 2006, 06:54 PM)
[email protected] 10 2006, 08:46 PM
The "war on terror" - and by terrorists - has directly killed a minimum of 62,006 people, created 4.5 million refugees and cost the US more than the sum needed to pay off the debts of every poor nation on earth.

If estimates of other, unquantified, deaths - of insurgents, the Iraq military during the 2003 invasion, those not recorded individually by Western media, and those dying from wounds - are included, then the toll could reach as high as 180,000.
Sources? [/b]
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politi...icle1433404.ece (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/article1433404.ece)

Cloud
12th September 2006, 05:07
What does a moment of silence help? It doesn't.
Couldn't have put it better. All of this "moment of silence" stuff doesnt change anything, get out there and go explain how the US government was behind it. Thats a lot more progressive then silence.

( R )evolution
12th September 2006, 06:11
Originally posted by LeftyHenry+Sep 12 2006, 01:18 AM--> (LeftyHenry @ Sep 12 2006, 01:18 AM)
Machiavelli [email protected] 11 2006, 05:47 AM
There are innocent civilans. If they were military targets I would celebrating but they are innocent civilans, we should always pay respect for the deaths of innocent civilans.
WTF? So you find terrorism great if it's against soldiers? [/b]
If it is against the imperalstic American military, then yeah I am.

bezdomni
12th September 2006, 06:34
Originally posted by Marmot+Sep 11 2006, 04:24 AM--> (Marmot @ Sep 11 2006, 04:24 AM)
[email protected] 11 2006, 02:43 AM
30,000 people died in Chile as the result of the military junta on September 11, 1973.

The worst tragedy to ever occur on September 11, as far as I'm aware.
They weren't a few hundred thousands comrade.

They were around 30 0000. [/b]
That's what I said.


That's what I said all along..... :rolleyes:

Dzerzhinsky
14th September 2006, 05:52
Not enough.

Damn you, you stole my reply!

Praise Osama bin Laden. May he take the lives of millions more degenerate Americans.

shorelinetrance
14th September 2006, 17:04
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 02:53 AM

Not enough.

Damn you, you stole my reply!

Praise Osama bin Laden. May he take the lives of millions more degenerate Americans.
I got a warn rating for saying that.

The Grey Blur
14th September 2006, 18:43
Originally posted by shorelinetrance+Sep 14 2006, 02:05 PM--> (shorelinetrance @ Sep 14 2006, 02:05 PM)
[email protected] 14 2006, 02:53 AM

Not enough.

Damn you, you stole my reply!

Praise Osama bin Laden. May he take the lives of millions more degenerate Americans.
I got a warn rating for saying that. [/b]
He'll get a ban

Dzerzhinsky
14th September 2006, 21:04
It seems I've stepped outside the party line. I can hear the Thought Police already at my door.

ComradeOm
14th September 2006, 21:05
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 06:05 PM
It seems I've stepped outside the party line. I can hear the Thought Police already at my door.
Ironic, isn't it Felix?

Iseult_
14th September 2006, 21:22
Theres nothing revolutionary or subversive about calling for the murder of innocent men, women & children.

As socialists we should be above that.

afrikaNOW
14th September 2006, 21:54
Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 02:43 AM
30,000 people died in Chile as the result of the military junta on September 11, 1973.

The worst tragedy to ever occur on September 11, as far as I'm aware.
So are we really gonna play the game, of wi ghich tragedy was worse?

LuXe
14th September 2006, 23:09
Originally posted by afrikaNOW+Sep 14 2006, 06:55 PM--> (afrikaNOW @ Sep 14 2006, 06:55 PM)
[email protected] 11 2006, 02:43 AM
30,000 people died in Chile as the result of the military junta on September 11, 1973.

The worst tragedy to ever occur on September 11, as far as I'm aware.
So are we really gonna play the game, of wi ghich tragedy was worse? [/b]
In the sence of the families and the casualties, the Chile-affair is much more horrible.

Janus
15th September 2006, 02:08
I got a warn rating for saying that.
No, you got a warning point for spamming.

CCCPneubauten
15th September 2006, 02:25
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 11:09 PM

I got a warn rating for saying that.
No, you got a warning point for spamming.
I'm pretty sure Mr. Felix is a sock puppet anyway. Madzak probably.

Erythromycin-diazepam
15th September 2006, 03:01
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 11:09 PM

I got a warn rating for saying that.
No, you got a warning point for spamming.

Good job.

bezdomni
15th September 2006, 04:59
Originally posted by afrikaNOW+Sep 14 2006, 06:55 PM--> (afrikaNOW @ Sep 14 2006, 06:55 PM)
[email protected] 11 2006, 02:43 AM
30,000 people died in Chile as the result of the military junta on September 11, 1973.

The worst tragedy to ever occur on September 11, as far as I'm aware.
So are we really gonna play the game, of wi ghich tragedy was worse? [/b]
Tragedies are all bad, but the long term suffering, detainment, prosecution and murder of 30,000 people is worse than 3,000 Americans being killed in an isolated terror attack.

adz170
15th September 2006, 21:33
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 04:14 PM
2,973 died total excluding the 19 hijackers.
246 on the four planes.
2602 in NYC in towers and on ground.
343 NYC Fire Department firefighters.
23 NYC Police Deparment.
37 Port Authority police officers.

24 missing to this day.

I'll pass on the moment of silence. ;)
A moment of silence is for respect , everyone should be respected who has died before theyre time. simple as that. :mellow:

Pirate Utopian
15th September 2006, 22:19
Originally posted by adz170+Sep 15 2006, 06:34 PM--> (adz170 @ Sep 15 2006, 06:34 PM)
[email protected] 9 2006, 04:14 PM
2,973 died total excluding the 19 hijackers.
246 on the four planes.
2602 in NYC in towers and on ground.
343 NYC Fire Department firefighters.
23 NYC Police Deparment.
37 Port Authority police officers.

24 missing to this day.

I'll pass on the moment of silence. ;)
A moment of silence is for respect , everyone should be respected who has died before theyre time. simple as that. :mellow: [/b]
then there should be a moment of scilence every 7 seconds because every 7 seconds someone dies in africa

Erythromycin-diazepam
15th September 2006, 22:21
Originally posted by Big Manifesto+Sep 15 2006, 07:20 PM--> (Big Manifesto @ Sep 15 2006, 07:20 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 06:34 PM

[email protected] 9 2006, 04:14 PM
2,973 died total excluding the 19 hijackers.
246 on the four planes.
2602 in NYC in towers and on ground.
343 NYC Fire Department firefighters.
23 NYC Police Deparment.
37 Port Authority police officers.

24 missing to this day.

I'll pass on the moment of silence. ;)
A moment of silence is for respect , everyone should be respected who has died before theyre time. simple as that. :mellow:
then there should be a moment of scilence every 7 seconds because every 7 seconds someone dies in africa [/b]
Exactly, i'll start sheding tears for americans, when the americans start shedding tears for all the little kids dying in third world countries.

Sadena Meti
15th September 2006, 22:31
Originally posted by afrikaNOW+Sep 14 2006, 01:55 PM--> (afrikaNOW @ Sep 14 2006, 01:55 PM)
[email protected] 11 2006, 02:43 AM
30,000 people died in Chile as the result of the military junta on September 11, 1973.

The worst tragedy to ever occur on September 11, as far as I'm aware.
So are we really gonna play the game, of wi ghich tragedy was worse? [/b]
"Saved By The Bell" beats them both.

Dzerzhinsky
16th September 2006, 00:45
Theres nothing revolutionary or subversive about calling for the murder of innocent men, women & children.

As socialists we should be above that.

I dunno, socialists don't seem to have a very good history of that...



I'm pretty sure Mr. Felix is a sock puppet anyway. Madzak probably.

And I'm pretty sure you're Josef Mengele. Looks like you need to be banned too.

Iseult_
16th September 2006, 00:57
Originally posted by Erythromycin-[email protected] 15 2006, 07:22 PM

"Exactly, i'll start sheding tears for americans, when the americans start shedding tears for all the little kids dying in third world countries"
Americans give more in charity to the developing world than any other country.

Why is there all this hatred for the U.S on this board? I'd like to replace capitalism too, but I don't "hate" Americans.

afrikaNOW
16th September 2006, 01:12
Originally posted by SovietPants+Sep 15 2006, 02:00 AM--> (SovietPants @ Sep 15 2006, 02:00 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 06:55 PM

[email protected] 11 2006, 02:43 AM
30,000 people died in Chile as the result of the military junta on September 11, 1973.

The worst tragedy to ever occur on September 11, as far as I'm aware.
So are we really gonna play the game, of wi ghich tragedy was worse?
Tragedies are all bad, but the long term suffering, detainment, prosecution and murder of 30,000 people is worse than 3,000 Americans being killed in an isolated terror attack. [/b]
Try telling that to someone who lost family and friends in the world trade center attacks. No matter, how many numbers you put to a tragic event you can't say to someone its more tragic than something else, its subjective and matter of opinion, not fact.

BlackFrancis
16th September 2006, 01:35
Originally posted by afrikaNOW+Sep 15 2006, 10:13 PM--> (afrikaNOW @ Sep 15 2006, 10:13 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 06:55 PM

[email protected] 11 2006, 02:43 AM
30,000 people died in Chile as the result of the military junta on September 11, 1973.

The worst tragedy to ever occur on September 11, as far as I'm aware.
So are we really gonna play the game, of wi ghich tragedy was worse?
Tragedies are all bad, but the long term suffering, detainment, prosecution and murder of 30,000 people is worse than 3,000 Americans being killed in an isolated terror attack.
Try telling that to someone who lost family and friends in the world trade center attacks. No matter, how many numbers you put to a tragic event you can't say to someone its more tragic than something else, its subjective and matter of opinion, not fact. [/b]
I dunno, it's my opinion that people die as long as we continue playing this game we play with eachothers lives. I'm just going to sit back and laugh at tragic events. But when opportunities arise for me to prevent them from repeat, I'll take it. I spare no tears for people stuck in this illusion.

Iseult_
16th September 2006, 02:15
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 10:36 PM

I dunno, it's my opinion that people die as long as we continue playing this game we play with eachothers lives. I'm just going to sit back and laugh at tragic events. But when opportunities arise for me to prevent them from repeat, I'll take it. I spare no tears for people stuck in this illusion.
How do you think you would feel if you were the victim of a terrorist attack and you needed medical help ? Would you want to be surrounded by compassionate people or people that thought like you ?

CCCPneubauten
16th September 2006, 08:26
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 09:46 PM

I'm pretty sure Mr. Felix is a sock puppet anyway. Madzak probably.

And I'm pretty sure you're Josef Mengele. Looks like you need to be banned too.
Okay then, Madzak, how do you feel about homosexuals?=

Jesus Christ!
16th September 2006, 17:42
Originally posted by Erythromycin-diazepam+Sep 15 2006, 07:22 PM--> (Erythromycin-diazepam @ Sep 15 2006, 07:22 PM)
Originally posted by Big [email protected] 15 2006, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 06:34 PM

[email protected] 9 2006, 04:14 PM
2,973 died total excluding the 19 hijackers.
246 on the four planes.
2602 in NYC in towers and on ground.
343 NYC Fire Department firefighters.
23 NYC Police Deparment.
37 Port Authority police officers.

24 missing to this day.

I'll pass on the moment of silence. ;)
A moment of silence is for respect , everyone should be respected who has died before theyre time. simple as that. :mellow:
then there should be a moment of scilence every 7 seconds because every 7 seconds someone dies in africa
Exactly, i'll start sheding tears for americans, when the americans start shedding tears for all the little kids dying in third world countries. [/b]
Where are you from? What ever happened to an idea of " love the people hate the people in charge"? Then again I guess it is possible that you know every single american and know than every single one has never shed a tear for anyone else but themselves.

Inverted
16th September 2006, 17:58
People here have developed so much hate for capitialism that they forget their more human side, and laugh at civilian tragedy...

As stated before we are socialist, and above that.

Erythromycin-diazepam
16th September 2006, 20:07
Originally posted by Jesus Christ!+Sep 16 2006, 02:43 PM--> (Jesus Christ! @ Sep 16 2006, 02:43 PM)
Originally posted by Erythromycin-diazep[email protected] 15 2006, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by Big [email protected] 15 2006, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 06:34 PM

[email protected] 9 2006, 04:14 PM
2,973 died total excluding the 19 hijackers.
246 on the four planes.
2602 in NYC in towers and on ground.
343 NYC Fire Department firefighters.
23 NYC Police Deparment.
37 Port Authority police officers.

24 missing to this day.

I'll pass on the moment of silence. ;)
A moment of silence is for respect , everyone should be respected who has died before theyre time. simple as that. :mellow:
then there should be a moment of scilence every 7 seconds because every 7 seconds someone dies in africa
Exactly, i'll start sheding tears for americans, when the americans start shedding tears for all the little kids dying in third world countries.
Where are you from? What ever happened to an idea of " love the people hate the people in charge"? Then again I guess it is possible that you know every single american and know than every single one has never shed a tear for anyone else but themselves. [/b]
I give up on americans.

Global_Justice
16th September 2006, 22:41
Originally posted by Erythromycin-diazepam+Sep 15 2006, 07:22 PM--> (Erythromycin-diazepam @ Sep 15 2006, 07:22 PM)
Originally posted by Big [email protected] 15 2006, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 06:34 PM

[email protected] 9 2006, 04:14 PM
2,973 died total excluding the 19 hijackers.
246 on the four planes.
2602 in NYC in towers and on ground.
343 NYC Fire Department firefighters.
23 NYC Police Deparment.
37 Port Authority police officers.

24 missing to this day.

I'll pass on the moment of silence. ;)
A moment of silence is for respect , everyone should be respected who has died before theyre time. simple as that. :mellow:
then there should be a moment of scilence every 7 seconds because every 7 seconds someone dies in africa
Exactly, i'll start sheding tears for americans, when the americans start shedding tears for all the little kids dying in third world countries. [/b]
americans don't have a minutes silence for the thousands of africans who died because of poverty because of american-led capitalism on september 11th, and septemer 12th, and september 13th, and september 14th and 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th, 21st and every day since then. you are very right.

however i think people are being cold. just because other tragedies have occured since and before, doesn't make this less of a tragedy for the families of the thousands of innocent people that died.

some people have said how thousands have died in iraq since then because of american foreign policy, the 3,000 that dies on 9/11 were also victims of america's foreign policy.


Americans give more in charity to the developing world than any other country.

americans give more, but that is because they can afford to. in terms of pecentages america gives very very little. 0.1% of there gdp according to bill clinton.

bezdomni
17th September 2006, 23:37
Originally posted by afrikaNOW+Sep 15 2006, 10:13 PM--> (afrikaNOW @ Sep 15 2006, 10:13 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 06:55 PM

[email protected] 11 2006, 02:43 AM
30,000 people died in Chile as the result of the military junta on September 11, 1973.

The worst tragedy to ever occur on September 11, as far as I'm aware.
So are we really gonna play the game, of wi ghich tragedy was worse?
Tragedies are all bad, but the long term suffering, detainment, prosecution and murder of 30,000 people is worse than 3,000 Americans being killed in an isolated terror attack.
Try telling that to someone who lost family and friends in the world trade center attacks. No matter, how many numbers you put to a tragic event you can't say to someone its more tragic than something else, its subjective and matter of opinion, not fact. [/b]
Subjectively, the attack is more tragic for a person who lost a family member in it.

But the fact remains that 30,000 > 3,000 and fasism > a terror attack.

To view enormous tragedies on the same level as small ones is to belittle the long term suffering of millions of humans.

We cannot look at the holocaust in the same manner as we would a bomb going of in gaza.

Of course, some tragedies affect us more personally than others. But this is purely subjective and non-materialist.