By Any Objective Measure, Islam Is for Losers

[theraven]

As you've probably seen, Al Qaeda is now trying to recruit everyone into Islam. I don't think that will work out too well, as they've yet to give any reason to join their happy fun religion other than that, if we don't, they may possibly one day successfully do another terrorist attack and kill a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of one percent of the non-Islamic population. It's telling their recruiting campaign sticks to empty threats rather than listing the merits of Islam, because, apparently, there just aren't any merits to list.
"Were you to look at the conditions of Muslims versus non-Muslims, one can only conclude that God really doesn't like Islam."

What is the average Muslim? Some guy who hasn't bathed in a week wearing a dress as he wanders the desert escorting a woman dressed like a ninja. What possible sane reason can someone name for me to want to be a part of that? Is there anything other than murderousness that Muslims succeed the rest of the population in? Have they contributed anything scientifically or culturally to the world in the past hundred years? They did get us to change our screening procedures at airports, but I'm stumped at coming up with anything more significant than that.

To be sure, there are plenty of smart, productive Muslims... but they're all here in Western countries run by the non-Islamic. The more Islamic a country gets, the more Godforsaken it seems to be... which really doesn't speak well of the religion. Were you to look at the conditions of Muslims versus non-Muslims, one can only conclude that God really doesn't like Islam. I'm not saying that's true; I'm just saying that were one to observe things objectively, you're forced to conclude that. The Islamic countries are pretty much the worst countries out there. Like Robinson Crusoe, they're as primitive as can be (but more murderery). Do they even make those Korans they love to read, or are those done by independent presses here in the States? Do those dress-like garments they wear bear the labels "Made in Taiwan"? I really want to know.

Sure, they do have oil, which, by itself, seems like a gift from God, but, when taken against everything else, it's more like a few nickels tossed at a beggar. It's like God gave the Islamic countries oil just to keep them around to laugh it. If it weren't for their oil, the rest of the world would pretty much ignore them while they slaughtered each other (though some entrepreneur might film some of the carnage to sell packaged along with Bum Fights).

Now, I know the response to this: "Sure, Muslims don't seem very favored in this world, but wait until the rewards in the next." Now, I haven't read the Koran (it's next on my reading list after Tom Clancy's Op-Center XII: War of Eagles), but, apparently, if you blow yourself along with a room full of daycare students, you get 72 virgins in heaven. Thus, Islam seems to be out to attract sex perverts. Still, is 72 women whom you really want to spend all eternity with? I know I don't find it to be that great an idea. Eventually, you will get tired of the sex, and will any of these women be able to give interesting opinion on the latest episode of Battlestar Gallactica or be good competition for a game of Mario Kart? I don't know, and the Koran is silent on this issue. What I do know is, when my wife find me with 72 no-longer-virgins, heaven is going to become hell rather quickly.

All in all, Islam seems to be full of a lot of murderous, barbaric, moron losers who obviously don't have any girlfriends. I don't know if Islam causes people to be murderous, barbaric, moron losers, but there certainly is a strong correlation between the two. Maybe Islam, as it now stands, happens to attract murderous, barbaric, moron losers while repelling kinder more intelligent people. I just don't know, but what I do know is that, at this time, I'm going to have to decline Al Qaeda's generous offer to join their religion which, by any objective measure, is quite crappy.

Frank J. is a syndicated columnist whose columns appear worldwide on IMAO.us. He is also the author of such books as "Glances of the Legendary: New Documented Sighting of Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, and Moderate Muslims" and "The Scientific Contributions of Muslims in the Past One Hundred Years (Now with a Third Page of Pictures)".

[Orion999]

WOW, that is some funny shit. Strikes pretty close to home too.

[Hiero]

What a poor "arictle".

[apathy maybe]

I agree. "By Any Objective Measure, Islam Is for Losers, An Editorial by Frank J." He admits that in the 'West' many Muslims are wealthy and have Status. He craps on about the average Muslim in Muslims countries without considering who is in charge (Muslims). Really this is just another stupid attack on Islam. Considering all the other problems it can't be that hard to come up with a decent attack on the religion.


I think I might write an "editorial", "By Any Objective Measure, Capitalism is for Losers". 'Cause when you look at the vast majority of the world who are affected by capitalism, they aren't that well off.

[adenoid hynkel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 03:48 AM

As you've probably seen, Al Qaeda is now trying to recruit everyone into Islam. I don't think that will work out too well, as they've yet to give any reason to join their happy fun religion other than that, if we don't, they may possibly one day successfully do another terrorist attack and kill a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of one percent of the non-Islamic population. It's telling their recruiting campaign sticks to empty threats rather than listing the merits of Islam, because, apparently, there just aren't any merits to list.
"Were you to look at the conditions of Muslims versus non-Muslims, one can only conclude that God really doesn't like Islam."

What is the average Muslim? Some guy who hasn't bathed in a week wearing a dress as he wanders the desert escorting a woman dressed like a ninja. What possible sane reason can someone name for me to want to be a part of that? Is there anything other than murderousness that Muslims succeed the rest of the population in? Have they contributed anything scientifically or culturally to the world in the past hundred years? They did get us to change our screening procedures at airports, but I'm stumped at coming up with anything more significant than that.

To be sure, there are plenty of smart, productive Muslims... but they're all here in Western countries run by the non-Islamic. The more Islamic a country gets, the more Godforsaken it seems to be... which really doesn't speak well of the religion. Were you to look at the conditions of Muslims versus non-Muslims, one can only conclude that God really doesn't like Islam. I'm not saying that's true; I'm just saying that were one to observe things objectively, you're forced to conclude that. The Islamic countries are pretty much the worst countries out there. Like Robinson Crusoe, they're as primitive as can be (but more murderery). Do they even make those Korans they love to read, or are those done by independent presses here in the States? Do those dress-like garments they wear bear the labels "Made in Taiwan"? I really want to know.

Sure, they do have oil, which, by itself, seems like a gift from God, but, when taken against everything else, it's more like a few nickels tossed at a beggar. It's like God gave the Islamic countries oil just to keep them around to laugh it. If it weren't for their oil, the rest of the world would pretty much ignore them while they slaughtered each other (though some entrepreneur might film some of the carnage to sell packaged along with Bum Fights).

Now, I know the response to this: "Sure, Muslims don't seem very favored in this world, but wait until the rewards in the next." Now, I haven't read the Koran (it's next on my reading list after Tom Clancy's Op-Center XII: War of Eagles), but, apparently, if you blow yourself along with a room full of daycare students, you get 72 virgins in heaven. Thus, Islam seems to be out to attract sex perverts. Still, is 72 women whom you really want to spend all eternity with? I know I don't find it to be that great an idea. Eventually, you will get tired of the sex, and will any of these women be able to give interesting opinion on the latest episode of Battlestar Gallactica or be good competition for a game of Mario Kart? I don't know, and the Koran is silent on this issue. What I do know is, when my wife find me with 72 no-longer-virgins, heaven is going to become hell rather quickly.

All in all, Islam seems to be full of a lot of murderous, barbaric, moron losers who obviously don't have any girlfriends. I don't know if Islam causes people to be murderous, barbaric, moron losers, but there certainly is a strong correlation between the two. Maybe Islam, as it now stands, happens to attract murderous, barbaric, moron losers while repelling kinder more intelligent people. I just don't know, but what I do know is that, at this time, I'm going to have to decline Al Qaeda's generous offer to join their religion which, by any objective measure, is quite crappy.

Frank J. is a syndicated columnist whose columns appear worldwide on IMAO.us. He is also the author of such books as "Glances of the Legendary: New Documented Sighting of Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, and Moderate Muslims" and "The Scientific Contributions of Muslims in the Past One Hundred Years (Now with a Third Page of Pictures)".
It's obvious that the person who has written this "article" has no knowledge at all about muslim and arabic culture; he does not know anything about the rise of arab civilization in the first years of Islam, about the contributions of this civilization in science, math, astronomy, philoshophy etc.

His image of "Some guy who hasn't bathed in a week wearing a dress as he wanders the desert escorting a woman dressed like a ninja" is taken from some childish comic; muslims very rarely wander in the desert and they bath more frequently than once a week( well indeed many of them escort women dressed like ninjas).

This article has little to do with reality, it is inspired by all the childish stereotypes that have been spread after 9/11.

Islam is for losers, huh? And Judaism and Christianity are for whom? Winners??????Bu ha ha ha ha :D

[theraven]

....you guys do reliezie this is a joke editoral...it comes from the site www.imao.us

[RaiseYourVoice]

it isnt funny.

[theraven]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 01:21 PM
it isnt funny.
not his best work but pretty good

[Guerrilla22]

:rolleyes: That's right all Muslims are extremist, just like all black people eat fried chicken and water melon and all Jews are penny pinchers. :rolleyes:

[apathy maybe]

Not only isn't it funny, it is don't right stupid. It is insulting to the intelligence of any body with any knowledge of the world.

It might be funny to rightwingers who accept the implicit values in the "editorial", but not to anyone else.

[NantenWolf]

This does appear to be a joke "editorial." In any case, it's not funny.

[theraven]

Originally posted by apathy [email protected] 7 2006, 12:42 AM
Not only isn't it funny, it is don't right stupid. It is insulting to the intelligence of any body with any knowledge of the world.

It might be funny to rightwingers who accept the implicit values in the "editorial", but not to anyone else.
well it is a rightwingers site, however the author is indeed funny.

[Hiero]

What was the joke? What was funny about?

[theraven]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 09:14 AM
What was the joke? What was funny about?
i suppose if you lack a sense of humor......

[Free Left]

suppose if you lack a sense of humor......

I suppose if the author lacked a sense of humour...

[Orion999]

Come on, it's a joke and it is pretty funny. I bet you all would love an article like this making fun of white capitalists. Although ther is definitely allot more material to work with with the muslims.

[theraven]

Originally posted by Free [email protected] 7 2006, 08:16 PM

suppose if you lack a sense of humor......

I suppose if the author lacked a sense of humour...
no the authors a funny guy. he runs a humor site actually. imao.us its very amusing

[Umoja]

This article sucked for a number of reasons. Firstly, the title is right, Islam is for losers. All religions are, but I doubt our esteemed author realized that.

More importantly the author has no knowledge of Islam, he's going on ridiculous claims by the media, and other people critical of Islam. Yes, Islamic extremism does lead people to blow themselves up, but he has no actual knowledge of why that's come about by his own admission.

Another thing is, Islam spread in predominantly non-white areas. If you have half a brain, you realize that nearly all non-white people are extremely poor. I bet most Buddhist and Hindus don't smell as sweet as good ol' christians.

So this was an entirely ridiculous article, not because I think Islam is good, but because the author was entirely misinformed. It's like me saying that Jungian psychology is flawed despite the fact I know nothing about psychology in general, or especially Jung.

So please save people on this forum the agnony of reading ignorant rants like this. If he didn't like Islam, he could have at least read "Why I'm not longer a Muslim" by Ibn Warraq (i spelled his name wrong I know.)

[RevSouth]

Its not like all Christians are exactly rich either. Plenty of Christians live in poverty, and they are not exactly the Europeans and U.S. citizens. Its the South Americans, Indians, Africans, Phillipinos, etcetera, who live poor. I also feel that poverty breeds radicalism via religion, which is a false trend that the governments that need it to divert the attention of the people from the real problem, the ruling class. The wealth inequality in the Middle East is huge, especially in the more 'backwater' places. Wealth seems to bring secularism, for their is more oppurtunity to pursue these secular pursuits. Christianity was far more radical once than it is now, executing people for blasphemy, or being "witches". You cappies should be glad that their are fundie Muslims, or a secular, united, Middle East of leftist trend that had rid itself of the rich parasites in Saudi Arabia and Qatar, as well as Khomeini and the other Islamic crazies, would surely cut oil supplies to you people who have run it down and exploited for so long.

[Spirit of Spartacus]

What sort of nonsense is this?

I live in a Muslim country, and people here are just as normal as they are in the West.

the raven is a racist fool who probably hasn't stepped out of America his whole pathetic life, so maybe he thinks that people in Muslim countries don't bathe and all.

:angry:

[Orion999]

It's a joke.

[theraven]

Originally posted by Spirit of [email protected] 8 2006, 02:27 AM
What sort of nonsense is this?

I live in a Muslim country, and people here are just as normal as they are in the West.

the raven is a racist fool who probably hasn't stepped out of America his whole pathetic life, so maybe he thinks that people in Muslim countries don't bathe and all.

:angry:
I didnt write it...but thanks :)

[RevSouth]

Originally posted by theraven+Sep 7 2006, 10:28 PM--> (theraven @ Sep 7 2006, 10:28 PM)
Spirit of [email protected] 8 2006, 02:27 AM
What sort of nonsense is this?

I live in a Muslim country, and people here are just as normal as they are in the West.

the raven is a racist fool who probably hasn't stepped out of America his whole pathetic life, so maybe he thinks that people in Muslim countries don't bathe and all.

:angry:
I didnt write it...but thanks :) [/b]
You were stupid enough to bring it up by posting it. Posting an irrelavant and unconfirmed "article" is to a lesser degree, as if you said it yourself.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

My Uncle helps with the site's web-design. The only reason they try so hard to be right-wing is to leech money from naive capitalists. The site owner is actually a liberal and a distant cousin of mine. It's hillarious. You'd be surprised how many people are doing similiar things.

[theraven]

Originally posted by RedSouth+Sep 9 2006, 01:29 AM--> (RedSouth @ Sep 9 2006, 01:29 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 10:28 PM

Spirit of [email protected] 8 2006, 02:27 AM
What sort of nonsense is this?

I live in a Muslim country, and people here are just as normal as they are in the West.

the raven is a racist fool who probably hasn't stepped out of America his whole pathetic life, so maybe he thinks that people in Muslim countries don't bathe and all.

:angry:
I didnt write it...but thanks :)
You were stupid enough to bring it up by posting it. Posting an irrelavant and unconfirmed "article" is to a lesser degree, as if you said it yourself. [/b]
how is it unconfrmed?


My Uncle helps with the site's web-design. The only reason they try so hard to be right-wing is to leech money from naive capitalists. The site owner is actually a liberal and a distant cousin of mine. It's hillarious. You'd be surprised how many people are doing similiar things.

1) i dont belive you

2) i don't care-hes funny regardless

[Comeback Kid]

Religion is for losers. full stop.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Islam Is for Losers
Well, Islam being a religion, I would be inclined to agree. However...


As you've probably seen, Al Qaeda is now trying to recruit everyone into Islam.
No, they're not.


"Were you to look at the conditions of Muslims versus non-Muslims, one can only conclude that God really doesn't like Islam."
You could've said that about the Jews in the early 1940s. Look at their situation now.


What is the average Muslim? Some guy who hasn't bathed in a week
Prove to me that the "average muslim" bathes only once a week.


Have they contributed anything scientifically or culturally to the world in the past hundred years?
Have you seen the architecture in Muslim countries? Stunning. But their major contribution to the world has to be 9/11.

On another note, nobody gives a fuck what they've contributed scientifically or culturally to the world in the past hundred years, they could've done absolutely fuck all but that wouldn't have invalidated their right to live. (Speaking generally here of course, not just about Islam.)


I'm just saying that were one to observe things objectively, you're forced to conclude that.
No, were one to observe things objectively, one would be forced to conclude that God doesn't exist. Which really disproves the point of the paragraph in question.

Also, it should be pointed out that this sentence changes tenses halfway through, going from conditional to present, indicating the author's ineptitude as regards the English language, as well as politics and religion. Not that this is a major issue, but one would expect better from a well-known columnist.


Do those dress-like garments they wear bear the labels "Made in Taiwan"?
What difference does that make?


If it weren't for their oil, the rest of the world would pretty much ignore them while they slaughtered each other
As opposed to being slaughtered by the US for their oil, which is much better.


Now, I know the response to this: "Sure, Muslims don't seem very favored in this world, but wait until the rewards in the next."
No. I have tons of more seemingly rash yet objectively sound responses. Hopefully this post has and will communicate a few of them.


Now, I haven't read the Koran
Then shut the fuck up you whiny, uneducated nutjob. Come back when you have at least half a clue about that which you are trying to condemn.


apparently, if you blow yourself along with a room full of daycare students, you get 72 virgins in heaven.
Where. Where has any piece of any academic authority on Islam stated that?


Thus, Islam seems to be out to attract sex perverts.
So is Christianity. Observe:
Christians go to heaven.
Heaven is eternal bliss.
Bliss, in the eyes of sex perverts, is sex.
Therefore, heaven to sex perverts is eternal sex.
Therefore, Christianity "seems to be out to attract sex perverts". QED.


will any of these women be able to give interesting opinion on the latest episode of Battlestar Gallactica or be good competition for a game of Mario Kart?
I don't see why not. The Koran doesn't state, or even imply, that said virgins wouldn't be able to give interesting opinion on the latest episode of Battlestar Gallactica or be good competition for a game of Mario Kart.


All in all, Islam seems to be full of a lot of murderous, barbaric, moron losers who obviously don't have any girlfriends.
No, Islam is not full of anything. Furthermore, a very small percentage of the Muslim population have ever murdered anyone, and as you said yourself "there are plenty of smart, productive Muslims", who, even if they aren't in the middle-east, are still "in Islam". Also, your comment about girlfriends is laughably idiotic. Firstly because there are plenty of people out there who don't have girlfriends but aren't moronic, murderous or barbaric.


I just don't know
Then why exactly did you write this piece of shit?

[theraven]

did you seriusly just do a line by line refuation of a comedy piece?

wow....

oh and your QED is untrue, because pervets would be sinners and thus not go to heaven..

[Qwerty Dvorak]

did you seriusly just do a line by line refuation of a comedy piece?
Unless its comedy was in the form of a satirical attack on the right-wing view of Islam (satire which, if existant, is very badly displayed) then this rubbish deserves every bit of slander it receives.

And the reason for the line-by-line refutation of the piece is that these are views that a disturbing amount of people actually hold.


oh and your QED is untrue, because pervets would be sinners and thus not go to heaven..
That's just the response I was waiting for. Of course my QED is untrue, because of course perverts would be sinners... And thus not get their 72 virgins promised to them by Islam.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Oh and by the way, call my sense of humour lacking if you will, but I don't understand how this article can be conceived as funny. Explain.

[theraven]

Unless its comedy was in the form of a satirical attack on the right-wing view of Islam (satire which, if existant, is very badly displayed) then this rubbish deserves every bit of slander it receives.

And the reason for the line-by-line refutation of the piece is that these are views that a disturbing amount of people actually hold.

slander is an untrue acucusation. you are assuming they are true.



That's just the response I was waiting for. Of course my QED is untrue, because of course perverts would be sinners... And thus not get their 72 virgins promised to them by Islam.

the 72 virgisn are given to martyrs


Oh and by the way, call my sense of humour lacking if you will, but I don't understand how this article can be conceived as funny. Explain.

jokse are nto funny if they are expalined, if you dont get that im sorry for you.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

slander is an untrue acucusation. you are assuming they are true.
Assuming what to be true exactly? My comments? Because I don't recall saying anything that can't be backed up.


the 72 virgisn are given to martyrs
Oh right, and martyr = sex pervert. I get you now.


jokse are nto funny if they are expalined, if you dont get that im sorry for you.
Honestly, other than parody or satire (either of which would constitute an attack on the right) I fail to see how this article could be funny. Go watch some Dylan Moran.

[theraven]

Assuming what to be true exactly? My comments? Because I don't recall saying anything that can't be backed up.


it was you who descibed it as slander not me. my point was you were admitting you were lying...



Oh right, and martyr = sex pervert. I get you now.

now now your putting words in my mouth. in islam the heaven for martyrs invovles 72 virgins. you can maryter yourself for things other then the virgins



Honestly, other than parody or satire (either of which would constitute an attack on the right) I fail to see how this article could be funny. Go watch some Dylan Moran.

ok then

[Qwerty Dvorak]

it was you who descibed it as slander not me. my point was you were admitting you were lying...
Lol, I meant slander as applied to the general gist of posts in this thread, AFAIK "slander" can also be applied to baseless criticism, i.e. "that sucks" :lol:



now now your putting words in my mouth. in islam the heaven for martyrs invovles 72 virgins. you can maryter yourself for things other then the virgins
I know that, moron. This whole argument started with my response to the article's claim that Islam is out to attract sex perverts because you could have sex in heaven. I said you could apply this same logic to Christianity, you said you couldn't because sex perverts are sinners in Christianity, but sex perverts are also sinners under Islam, so they wouldn't be going to heaven, so they wouldn't get their 72 virgins.

[Orion999]

Dude, We did'nt make up the 72 virgin thing, Muslims did so don't get mad at us. And it is a matter of public fact that many of these suicide bombers in palestin are told before they blow themselves up, that they will recieve 72 virgins as a reward. If you have no problem with this, you need to do a reality check.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 09:36 PM
Dude, We did'nt make up the 72 virgin thing, Muslims did so don't get mad at us. And it is a matter of public fact that many of these suicide bombers in palestin are told before they blow themselves up, that they will recieve 72 virgins as a reward. If you have no problem with this, you need to do a reality check.
:blink:

Em... I know the Muslim made up the 72 virgins thing, I read the passage in the Koran that said so. And I'm not getting mad at you, I don't get mad in trivial threads such as these. As theraven pointed out, it is a joke piece after all. But what I'm trying to sa is... oh forget it, I can't dumb it down any more. Please read my previous posts on the matter again?

[Ol' Dirty]

This is pretty dumb. :mellow:


As you've probably seen, Al Qaeda is now trying to recruit everyone into Islam.

No, they are trying to induce people into Islamist militia. There's a diference.


What is the average Muslim? Some guy who hasn't bathed in a week wearing a dress as he wanders the desert escorting a woman dressed like a ninja.

What is the average black man? Some guy who hasn't bathed in a week wearing nothing escorting a woman dressed like a mammy.

Se what I'm getting at? :huh:

What possible sane reason can someone name for me to want to be a part of that? I

A substantial portion of the human poulation, apparently.


[I]s there anything other than murderousness that Muslims succeed the rest of the population in?

Art. Mathematics. Millitary strategy and tactics. Theology. The list goes on and on. :rolleyes:


Have they contributed anything scientifically or culturally to the world in the past hundred years?

Not much. But thats probably because they are forced to live in their own shit due to hundreds of years of Euro-American tyranny and oppression.

Anyway the rest is a load of (non-funny) dribble. I just cut most of it out. There wasn't on bit of valuable information in it. I've just become stupider by reading it.

Thanks for the time waster, asshole. :angry:

[theraven]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 08:18 PM

it was you who descibed it as slander not me. my point was you were admitting you were lying...
Lol, I meant slander as applied to the general gist of posts in this thread, AFAIK "slander" can also be applied to baseless criticism, i.e. "that sucks" :lol:



now now your putting words in my mouth. in islam the heaven for martyrs invovles 72 virgins. you can maryter yourself for things other then the virgins
I know that, moron. This whole argument started with my response to the article's claim that Islam is out to attract sex perverts because you could have sex in heaven. I said you could apply this same logic to Christianity, you said you couldn't because sex perverts are sinners in Christianity, but sex perverts are also sinners under Islam, so they wouldn't be going to heaven, so they wouldn't get their 72 virgins.
right the wouldnt get into nromal heaven. but if they dont act on thier perverntess, then marytyr themselves..then they get the 72 virgisn



Not much. But thats probably because they are forced to live in their own shit due to hundreds of years of Euro-American tyranny and oppression.

Anyway the rest is a load of (non-funny) dribble. I just cut most of it out. There wasn't on bit of valuable information in it. I've just become stupider by reading it.

Thanks for the time waster, asshole. mad.gif

1) up until WWI most of the muslim world lived in muslim run countires. for the past 50 years most muslism live in muslim run coutnrys. still shtiholes

2) its a joek dipshit

[Intifada]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 11:13 PM
Em... I know the Muslim made up the 72 virgins thing, I read the passage in the Koran that said so.
It is not mentioned in the Qur'an.

It is mentioned in a Hadith which most Muslims take not literally but metaphorically.

What Islam teaches in regards to getting into "Heaven" is that those who live life as a "good" Muslim will get whatever they may want in "Heaven".

Of course, according to Quranic teachings, suicide bombings that take the lives of innocents is regarded as a sin, and so that will cancel out any rewards they may have wished to receive in "Heaven".

[theraven]

Originally posted by Intifada+Sep 12 2006, 05:30 PM--> (Intifada @ Sep 12 2006, 05:30 PM)
[email protected] 11 2006, 11:13 PM
Em... I know the Muslim made up the 72 virgins thing, I read the passage in the Koran that said so.
It is not mentioned in the Qur'an.

It is mentioned in a Hadith which most Muslims take not literally but metaphorically.

What Islam teaches in regards to getting into "Heaven" is that those who live life as a "good" Muslim will get whatever they may want in "Heaven".

Of course, according to Quranic teachings, suicide bombings that take the lives of innocents is regarded as a sin, and so that will cancel out any rewards they may have wished to receive in "Heaven". [/b]
to bad so many muslims seem to disregard this

[Intifada]

Religions have been "misinterpreted" by opportunists forever.

They make religion worse than it actually is.

Anyway, I think the majority of Muslims do not promote suicide bombings.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

It is not mentioned in the Qur'an.
I specifically remember reading a passage about men in heaven receiving women "untouched by man or jinn".


right the wouldnt get into nromal heaven. but if they dont act on thier perverntess, then marytyr themselves..then they get the 72 virgisn

Sex perverts can't really choose whether or not they control their perversion. Perverts are by definition people who practise sexual perversion. If they weren't, well then who's to say the pope isn't a pervert?

[Intifada]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2006, 08:58 PM

It is not mentioned in the Qur'an.
I specifically remember reading a passage about men in heaven receiving women "untouched by man or jinn".
I think that is true, but the whole "72 virgins" specifically, is mentioned in a Hadith, not the Qur'an.

[grove street]

Islam is a very interesting relegion, my own personal beleifs realating to God and Jesus although being a good person was not the son of God/God in human flesh are very similar to Islam.

Muhammed in a way was like an arab Che. He fought for the rights of slaves,orphans, poor, sick, women against the oppresive Meccan pagans.

Islam believes that people should look after the poor, orphans, sick and treat slaves like their our own brother (we must remember that slavery was an ingrained way of life and the idea of it not exsisting would be almost impossible for people to imagine back then). It is against earning interest from loans.

The Islamic idea of Umma (Community) a society where everyone is equal can be seen as a form of primitve Communism. A good example of Umma would be the Hajji (pilgrimage to Mecca) where people of all different races, rich and poor set aside there differences and become equals/brothers or sisters. Malcom X talks about the Hajji and the equality that he saw there between differnt races. ''You might not believe this but I have drank water from the same cup and ate bread from the same plate as men who have eyes as blue as the sky, hair as golden as the sun, and skin as white as light'-Malcom X talking about the Hajji.