Bush compares Bin Laden to Hitler...and Lenin!

[YKTMX]

President George W Bush has compared Osama Bin Laden to Lenin and Hitler in a speech to US military officers.

"Underestimating the words of evil and ambitious men is a terrible mistake," he said as he quoted extensively from Bin Laden and other al-Qaeda figures.

He said the world had ignored the writings of Lenin and Hitler "and paid a terrible price" - adding the world must not to do the same with al-Qaeda.

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As a Leninist, I can only imagine the fact that a man that 90 percent of the world hates criticises our man is a good thing.

[matiasm]

I dont see how Bin Laden can be compared with either, especially Lenin. Perhaps in their actions towards a revolt against the west, can be compared, but never the less Bin Laden is not and has no Marxist tendecies. I dont think Hitler is worth mentioning anyways.

[( R )evolution]

Wow, what a fucking idiot. How in the world can he draw connections to Lenin and Bin Laden? They hate the west, much like the whole word except for the west. How could americans elected such a fucking idiot it shocks me.

[Severian]

Doesn't this mean Bush automatically loses the argument and the thread is locked?

[homeo_apathy]

bush is contrasts nicley with hitler :lol:

[matiasm]

Bush and Hitler are comparable, yes....

[Sadena Meti]

I really don't get why he brought in Lenin. First of all, most Americans don't know who Lenin was. (Most Americans think Benjamin Franklin was a president). Now, maybe Bush's speech writer mistook Lenin for Stalin, but that still would be a lame comparison.

Unless it was deliberate. With South America drifting to the left, the Bush administration may realize they need to start slandering socialism and communism a bit more. It will be interesting to see if there are any more statements like this.

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by rev-[email protected] 6 2006, 10:50 AM
I really don't get why he brought in Lenin. First of all, most Americans don't know who Lenin was. (Most Americans think Benjamin Franklin was a president). Now, maybe Bush's speech writer mistook Lenin for Stalin, but that still would be a lame comparison.
Possibly. But remember Rumsfeld listed Lenin amongst the "pantheon of failed dictators".

I think it's a Neo-Con thing to really hate Lenin.

[Ze]

ah, mass stupidity leads to 'leaders' like these. i'm all for a holocaust of stupid people. these guys always pick some ethnic group to pick on, noone's ever tried simply wiping out stupidity. maybe that's the final solution?

i kid, i kid...well, not really.

[LuXe]

I wouldnt care to much about what Bush means...

Remember i read something on a poster about Bush and Hitler; Same shit, different asshole. :)

[encephalon]

I heard this in the background of the new and spit coffee out of my nose this morning. Generally, most people wouldn't consider me a leninist.. but even to me, the comparison is laughable.

Even comparing bin laden to Hitler is a bit strange, if you think about the circumstances. At the least, hitler was an anti-semite, and bin laden is a semite. They really share nothing in common, in tactics or ideology, and neither share much of anything in common with lenin.

The fact that he made the comparison, however, is rather telling that a concern by the establishment is once again growing about leftist movements around the globe.. most notably, as said above, in S. America. I think more hostility towards the left should be expected in the coming years (again).

[matiasm]

Originally posted by rev-[email protected] 6 2006, 10:50 AM
With South America drifting to the left,
depends what left you mean. Some of the leftist governments you hear of in South america are conservative, very conservative. Nothing more than conservative-bourgeois socialist if even that can be labelled of them.

[CheGregory]

Well if you notice, the Socialist and Communist leaders are never referred to by their titles such as "Premier","Chairman","Comrade", what have you.

The are referred to as dictators, and their countries are simply labeled "dictatorships".

To many in the west, it sounds much worse to hear of Castro as a dictator, instead of Premier Castro, or even Comandante Castro

[IronColumn]

Lenin and Hitler are both dictators who, at various times, speak in comforting tones of socialism. They are very similar.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Lenin and Hitler are both dictators who, at various times, speak in comforting tones of socialism. They are very similar.

I think you are mistaken about Lenin being a dictator.

[Dyst]

Lenin and Hitler are both dictators who, at various times, speak in comforting tones of socialism. They are very similar.

Eh, sure, the "only" difference is that most things Lenin said and did could be considered progressive. As opposed to Hitler who ordered the slaughter of millions of innocent people.

[Patchd]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 07:11 PM

Lenin and Hitler are both dictators who, at various times, speak in comforting tones of socialism. They are very similar.

Eh, sure, the "only" difference is that most things Lenin said and did could be considered progressive. As opposed to Hitler who ordered the slaughter of millions of innocent people.
...and Lenin destroyed the bourgeoisie whereas Hitler embraced it. Hitler "spoke in comforting tones of socialism" because he needed the German working class to stay on his side, instead of getting rid of the real enemy, he turned them against other ethnic minorities, Lenin on the other hand preached against racism, especially against the pogroms.

Oh and Bush probably doesn't know the difference between Stalin or Lenin, he probably hasn't read a single political book. However stupid Bush' remarks are, there will be many proletarians who would believe him.

[Tekun]

He said the world had ignored the writings of Lenin and Hitler "and paid a terrible price" - adding the world must not to do the same with al-Qaeda.

The "writings?"
WTF is he talking about :lol:

This guy has no sense or grasp on history and politics
Sad thing is...that most ignorant Americans will swallow these lies and nod like obedient lil children

[MolotovLuv]

Bush is an idiot, anybody who has seen one of his horrible speeches can see this. Americans voting him into office shouldn't be a surprise. I live in a state where we had an election where we had a choice between, the Terminator, a porn star and Gary Coleman.

Yes...most Americans are that stupid.

[Iroquois Xavier]

pot...kettle...black? :rolleyes:

[Jamal]

Why are you all surprized?
This is George W Bush! He speaks shit from day one!



Lenin and Hitler are both dictators who, at various times, speak in comforting tones of socialism. They are very similar.

yeah, very similar indeed <_<

linin was a guy from and for the working people, he lead a revolution that changed the world and improved the situation of the ploritariat from 0 to a decent life.....

On the other hand, Adolf Hitler massacred people who opposed him, lead others to a never ending fight that took the lives of milions just to conquer other land. He was a tyrats and so fucking far away from being called "a socialist"

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 04:55 AM
Doesn&#39;t this mean Bush automatically loses the argument and the thread is locked?
HAHAHAHAHAHA&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[spIro]

Why are we spending time with such assholes?

Rather think on revolution&#33; :)

[Comeback Kid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 02:23 AM
Bush is an idiot, anybody who has seen one of his horrible speeches can see this. Americans voting him into office shouldn&#39;t be a surprise. I live in a state where we had an election where we had a choice between, the Terminator, a porn star and Gary Coleman.

Yes...most Americans are that stupid.

live in a state where we had an election where we had a choice between, the Terminator, a porn star and Gary Coleman.

The most awsome election in the history of mankind. i heart gary coleman

[RevolutionaryMarxist]

Originally posted by Red Heretic+Sep 8 2006, 04:54 AM--> (Red Heretic @ Sep 8 2006, 04:54 AM)
[email protected] 6 2006, 04:55 AM
Doesn&#39;t this mean Bush automatically loses the argument and the thread is locked?
HAHAHAHAHAHA&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: [/b]
I agree there - most of these politicians are just temporary things, that (even if) people get rallied up for them during one day, forget/don&#39;t care the next, except in cases of radical religion as the base for support.

Bush&#39;s comments were obviously stupid- and as usual with his speeches, I doubt the massess really cared or even heard his speech,

So I guess its just a interesting sidenote, which can help us more - we can see the progress/views of the ruling class.

[Janus]

Why are you all surprized?
I don&#39;t think anyone is actually surprised yet I wonder why all of Bush&#39;s stupid comments have to be posted here all the time. But since he is the President, people of course are always gonna pay attention to his crap speeches. Anyways, as far as the comparision goes, I would say that it is also pretty ridiculous but may not seem all that far-fetched to the average American.

[1984]

Originally posted by Machiavelli [email protected] 6 2006, 04:32 AM
How could americans elected such a fucking idiot it shocks me.
Well, he wasn&#39;t "elected" in the first place...

[Comrade Ben]

Theres a difference between being electyed, and having your brother be the governor of the state in question, and having your cousin be the head of the Fox News Brodcast team the night of the election.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 02:53 PM
Lenin and Hitler are both dictators who, at various times, speak in comforting tones of socialism. They are very similar.
National Socialism and socialism are completely different buddy. And Lenin wasn&#39;t a dictator. They are not similar at all. One helped established the first worker&#39;s state, the other ordered a genocide. There are no comparisons.

[Purple]

McCarthyism and a general association with the Soviet Union as a example of "evil" has become a pretty common thing by now. Sort of funny, considering that the two parts fought together in the War, and that at the time there was a general acceptance of the Soviet Union as it supported a more or less totaliterian regime that the US was in favor of.

Comparing the ideologies of Hitler and Lenin is an extrem unjust, considering that Hitler was in favor of a "Dwarvinized" society that was all about excluding people, instead of striving for the ultimate society as Lenin did. Both having results ending in the crapper, though...

[Severian]

Originally posted by RevolutionaryMarxist+Sep 8 2006, 04:06 AM--> (RevolutionaryMarxist @ Sep 8 2006, 04:06 AM)
Originally posted by Red [email protected] 8 2006, 04:54 AM

[email protected] 6 2006, 04:55 AM
Doesn&#39;t this mean Bush automatically loses the argument and the thread is locked?
HAHAHAHAHAHA&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I agree there - most of these politicians are just temporary things, that (even if) people get rallied up for them during one day, forget/don&#39;t care the next, except in cases of radical religion as the base for support. [/b]
Glad somebody liked that comment. And yeah, this latest propaganda line seems to have been dropped as ineffective.

The Lenin comparison was used on the once, I think. The Hitler comparison and "Islamofascist" a few times by different administration officials.

Bush&#39;s national address on 9/11 doesn&#39;t mention fascism, Naziism, Hitler, or even World War II. (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/09/20060911-3.html)

A lot of other catchphrases have come and gone - "the global war on terror" and "World War IV" never really caught on. (Some neocon pundits describe the Cold War as WWIII.) "The long war" is a little too accurate.

The Bush administration does continue to portray the "war on terror" as being a long-term ideological struggle between "freedom" and "tyranny". That ideological justification is more durable than the particular propaganda lines expressing it.

[IronColumn]

Anyone dull enough to uncritically accept the dogma that the USSR was socialist does not have the faculties to make a comparison between Bolshevism and Nazism.

That goes for both George Bush and the people on this board, who seem to have surrendered all vestige of rational analysis when it comes to any states calling themselves "socialist".