Why?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Why does it happen so frequently that Cubans interviewed by media does not want their last name published when they say something? Sometimes there is no mentioned reason, other times it says "in fear of" etc..


"Fidel looked much better, more animated and stronger, but at the same time it appears he has quite a ways to go before being completely well," a man named Jorge said as he sold produce at a Havana market. He, like others interviewed, asked that his full name not be used.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3785379a12,00.html

In the "freest and most democratic country in the world", surely people shouldn't be afraid of adding their last name?

[Guerrilla22]

How do you know the story is authentic? I've never seen any media outlet in the US walking around interviewing random Cubans in Cuba.

[Wanted Man]

Because Cuba is an evil Stalinist Empire. It is very smart of Jorge to ask that his last name be omitted, because making a general statement about Castro's health improving slowly can easily get you shot in Fidel's evil Stalinist Empire.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 08:52 PM
Because Cuba is an evil Stalinist Empire. It is very smart of Jorge to ask that his last name be omitted, because making a general statement about Castro's health improving slowly can easily get you shot in Fidel's evil Stalinist Empire.
Jorge's actions were inexcusable - he is well to remain anonymous, coward that he is!

[Wanted Man]

But you have to understand this, in Cuba, people get shot for making random statements to the foreign press all the time. Ever heard of Esteban Gonzalez? He told CNN that "The weather here seems to be good for now, but the hurricane season could be devastating". He forgot to ask CNN to omit his name. Big mistake. He was immediately arrested and shot in the back of his head for vaguely suggesting that the Glorious Stalinist Empire of Cuba would not be able to handle some hurricanes.

Meanwhile, back on planet earth: LOL @ NotWeirdOnlyGusano grasping at straws.

[D_Bokk]

Didn't your mommy ever tell you not to give out your personal information over the Internet?

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 09:10 PM
But you have to understand this, in Cuba, people get shot for making random statements to the foreign press all the time. Ever heard of Esteban Gonzalez? He told CNN that "The weather here seems to be good for now, but the hurricane season could be devastating". He forgot to ask CNN to omit his name. Big mistake. He was immediately arrested and shot in the back of his head for vaguely suggesting that the Glorious Stalinist Empire of Cuba would not be able to handle some hurricanes.

Meanwhile, back on planet earth: LOL @ NotWeirdOnlyGusano grasping at straws.
Yes, Cuba also has hundreds of gulags in operation and Fidel eats children.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

And Cuba has a secret space station on the dark side of the moon where they are developing a force to invade america.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 09:54 PM
Yes, Cuba also has hundreds of gulags in operation and Fidel eats children.
Exactly. I think that we are really seeing eye-to-eye here.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 10:00 PM
And Cuba has a secrete space station on the dark side of the moon where they are developing a force to invade america.
That's actually true

[Tekun]

Yes, Cuba also has hundreds of gulags in operation and Fidel eats children.



And Cuba has a secrete space station on the dark side of the moon where they are developing a force to invade america.

Don't forget about the millions of robots that Fidel has hidden in his basement that were built on behalf of Chairman Bob
:lol:

[Xiao Banfa]

Don't forget about the millions of robots that Fidel has hidden in his basement that were built on behalf of Chairman Bob


That would be Jack Barnes.

[Red Rebel]

Why does it happen so frequently that Cubans interviewed by media does not want their last name published when they say something?

Even if they are saying something positive about the regime, I'm sure that it isn't the best thing to be talking to outside journalists. And if they say something negative it is because they are afraid of being harassed by a goverment agent or more likely a self proclaimed vigilante.

[Tommy-K]

Originally posted by Guerrilla22+Sep 3 2006, 09:54 PM--> (Guerrilla22 @ Sep 3 2006, 09:54 PM)
[email protected] 3 2006, 09:10 PM
But you have to understand this, in Cuba, people get shot for making random statements to the foreign press all the time. Ever heard of Esteban Gonzalez? He told CNN that "The weather here seems to be good for now, but the hurricane season could be devastating". He forgot to ask CNN to omit his name. Big mistake. He was immediately arrested and shot in the back of his head for vaguely suggesting that the Glorious Stalinist Empire of Cuba would not be able to handle some hurricanes.

Meanwhile, back on planet earth: LOL @ NotWeirdOnlyGusano grasping at straws.
Yes, Cuba also has hundreds of gulags in operation and Fidel eats children. [/b]
I heard he's trying to reanimate Che's remains using a combination of electromagnetism and witchcraft. He's taken the best bits he found in the morgue (including some very healthy lungs) to create an even more powerful (and asthma-free) Che. Woah, Che as Frankenstein's Monster, that would be a sight worth seeing :blink:

[TupacAndChe4Eva]

Another anti-Cuba topic from NWOG.

I'm sure he felt scared when saying Fidel was getting better, and was getting stronger every day.

[norwegian commie]

Another anti-Cuba topic from NWOG.

I'm sure he felt scared when saying Fidel was getting better, and was getting stronger every day.


Heh, yeah i know.



But you have to understand this, in Cuba, people get shot for making random statements to the foreign press all the time. Ever heard of Esteban Gonzalez? He told CNN that "The weather here seems to be good for now, but the hurricane season could be devastating". He forgot to ask CNN to omit his name. Big mistake. He was immediately arrested and shot in the back of his head for vaguely suggesting that the Glorious Stalinist Empire of Cuba would not be able to handle some hurricanes.

redicculus.
Got reliable sorce on that?

By the way, you eliminate the credibility of your post by constantly calling Cuba "stalinist"
First of all that is a term wich has lost all of its meaning. And is used by capitalists against their opponensts as well as anti-sovjet communists. This has totally removed the meaning of "stalinist"

Second of all, every schmoe with somewhat knowledge about cuba knows its system is not organised in the matter stalin did.
Stalins sovjet is not organised the same way as Cuba. Nor can it be, as sovjet at that time required a different governing all together than Cuba.
Anyways stop your pointless arguing on that.

Long live Cuba and its leader Fidel!! Viva!

[Wanted Man]

LMAO. I was being sarcastic. NWOG is an idiot. I doubt we will be seeing him again in this topic.

[Mesijs]

Originally posted by norwegian [email protected] 4 2006, 04:38 PM
Long live Cuba and its leader Fidel!! Viva!
Leader? I thought socialism was about the collective?

[Rawthentic]

Fuck all you Castroite altruists, you swear as if Cuba was some socialist haven, its not, so get the fuck over it. It is the most progressive nation in the world, but it is not socialist. Socialism is a worker-controlled economy, Cuba does not have that. I bet all you fuckers would just love to emulate Cuba after revolution, but you dont realize how wrong you are. Revolution will be the path to a communist society, Cuba is not on that path. I respect Castro, the Cuban people, and Cuba, but I dont have patience for those who think it is perfect and socialist.

[AlexJohnson]

Why did people get sarcastic after someone told of human rights abuses in Cuba? No one is denying that Cuba doesn't have the best track record on human rights are they?

It reminded me of how everyone in over at PW, a conservative/libertarian forum.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 07:58 PM
Why did people get sarcastic after someone told of human rights abuses in Cuba? No one is denying that Cuba doesn't have the best track record on human rights are they?

It reminded me of how everyone in over at PW, a conservative/libertarian forum.
We got sarcastic because NWOG is legendary for his petty anti-Cuba threads

[Wanted Man]

LOL, this is classic. Seeing as NotWeirdOnlyGusano's petty little attack on Cuba completely backfired on him, the other members of Gusano Lovers Anonymous are derailing the topic into a more general one, about Cuba's flaws(real and imaginary).

[Amusing Scrotum]

Originally posted by NWOG
Why does it happen so frequently that Cubans interviewed by media does not want their last name published when they say something?

I've not noticed it myself, but if it does happen on a frequent basis, I imagine there would be multiple reasons. Firstly, it's not uncommon for news reports to only include a persons first name, especially with regards local and small news sources. Lots of regional newspapers, for instance, will use terms like "a local resident said" or "John, a resident of X Street, said"....and so on.

Secondly, it may be the case that certain Journalists don't actually interview anyone, indeed I don't think there are that many news sources in operation "on the ground" in Cuba. So, given that, it's possible that certain Journalists create even the most mundane of quotations in order to "bolster" their articles.

Thirdly, if certain news outlets do have sources on the Island, then it's likely that they and their sources want to be kept confidential. Which would likely involve the use of only first name, or aliases. Aliases are actually quite common in Journalism anyway, especially when the topic being written about is distinctly political.

Fourthly, people may be paid to give comments. Small amounts most likely, but still a definite source of income. And if you've got this kind of a source of income, you try to keep it "off the books"....so you're not going to want to have your name published. Similar, in a way, to the way that people who are off on the sick don't want their names put in the local newspaper report of a local football match.

And, fifthly and finally, they do seem to use full names in some articles; like this one (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4792071.stm) for instance. But I think the desire to use a full name, and sometimes title, is limited to when the person quoted is some kind of "authority". The rest of the time, I think standard Journalistic practice is to use terms like "an Island resident said", and so on.

[Solitary Mind]

To clear things up that people obviously dont know..Castro says Cuba is in transition to Socialism and to Communism....JUST to clear that up lol


VIVA FIDEL

[which doctor]

Originally posted by Solitary [email protected] 4 2006, 04:39 PM
To clear things up that people obviously dont know..Castro says Cuba is in transition to Socialism and to Communism....JUST to clear that up lol


VIVA FIDEL
No.

Cuba is not in a transition from socialism to communism.

Castro will never dismantle the state as long as he's alive.

[TC]

Well for one, in part, if no last name is given that reportors can just make stuff up and its not verifiable.

for another, simple privacy of not wanting one's name in the paper, not wanting the gringo reporter to publicize lots of details about them.

The content of the guy's comment wasn't anti-castro or negative in any way so clearly the last thing he would be worried about was government repression.

Maybe he was afraid that he'd make the list of people to get rounded up by an American occupation government if the island was invaded, that would be a more legitimate concern given his comments.

[Quills]

Would you trust any American media with your name if you were Cuban? I wouldn't.

[LuXe]

"Castro will never dismantle the state as long as he's alive." -FoB

But when he dies... Does he have someone to back up what he has built?

Or else i might think the US would LOVE to rid themselves of Cuba.. (By installing puppet leaders)

[Guerrilla22]

The idea that people are shot "all the time" in cuba is ridiculous, especially the idea about someone being shot for talking to the US media.

[KC]

But when he dies... Does he have someone to back up what he has built?

The people.

[norwegian commie]

Cuba has a leader, if you cant see it... Well, i pitty the fool.

Cuba's commnist party has a president, that is Fidel.
Parlament has a president that is Fidel, hence Viva Fidel, the leader of cuba.

Cubas revolution can not slideinto communism unless the neccesarities are forfilled.
like marx talked about.

For example the spreading of the revolution to industrialised countries.

[Rawthentic]

Cuba's revolution will not slide into communism, unless by some miracle the rest of the world become communist before Cuba falls and can help it in the transition. Sorry, but Cuba's path is capitalism, however way you see it. :(

[ItalianCommie]

Cuba's revolution will not slide into communism, unless by some miracle the rest of the world become communist before Cuba falls and can help it in the transition. Sorry, but Cuba's path is capitalism, however way you see it.:(
Yeah. People call it Pragmatism. It's one of the ways an isolated 'socialist' country tries to survive.
Whatever you may think about Cuba's ideological flaws, Cuba remains a symbol of resistance to the Almighty Uncle Sam. :)

[Rawthentic]

Definitely, I agree 100% with you on that, I am ardent supporter in Cuba's struggle against US imperialism.

[Guerrilla22]

What's wrong with socialism? One can't expect Cuba to progress towards communism without a worldwide revolution. Socialism is the best system avaible to the Cuban people right now.

[Rawthentic]

Nobody said that there's anything wrong with socialism, aren't we all socialists/communists? And yeah, it'd be good for Cuba if they had socialism.

[bezdomni]

Cubans have long last names. He didn't want to waste his time saying "oh, me llamo Jorge Luis Raul Martinez de los Gonzales de La Habana".

[Solitary Mind]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 12:05 AM
Cubans have long last names. He didn't want to waste his time saying "oh, me llamo Jorge Luis Raul Martinez de los Gonzales de La Habana".
but...mine is only Del Rio.....although i have a friend that has like a 10 word last name..

[Solitary Mind]

well actually Victor Rafael Del Rio

[Viva Fidel!!]

Cuba will remain a capitalist/socialist society until they completely recover from the special period. The embargo doesn't help either. I proudly support Fidel Castro, the Cuban Revolution, and the struggle of the Cuban people.

By the way, my name is Alejandro Antelmo Terrades De las Villas. <<<long Cuban last name..............VIVA LA REVOLUCION&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Rawthentic]

Cuba will remain a capitalist/socialist society until they completely recover from the special period

What special period? You mean the Leninist "transitional stage"? Its no "special period", I&#39;ll tell you that much, at least not for the Cuban people who are subject to it. Now, the Cubans are lucky to live in a country that actually has a leader that gives a shit about its people, but socialism would suit them much better.

[Solitary Mind]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 01:19 AM

Cuba will remain a capitalist/socialist society until they completely recover from the special period

What special period? You mean the Leninist "transitional stage"? Its no "special period", I&#39;ll tell you that much, at least not for the Cuban people who are subject to it. Now, the Cubans are lucky to live in a country that actually has a leader that gives a shit about its people, but socialism would suit them much better.
No the special period...read about it, not meaning to insult you or anything, but yeah...just read, i dont have much time to explain lol

[LuXe]

Originally posted by Khayembii [email protected] 5 2006, 09:08 PM


But when he dies... Does he have someone to back up what he has built?

The people.
Yep.. You are right. The people will be there..

But, The US is decietful and what they plan to do is pretty clear. The may actually succeed in making the government PRO-Us, but then i suspect another revolution will come. However, Who knows? Predicting the outcome of this is close to impossible.

[MiniOswald]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 01:19 AM


What special period? You mean the Leninist "transitional stage"? Its no "special period", I&#39;ll tell you that much, at least not for the Cuban people who are subject to it. Now, the Cubans are lucky to live in a country that actually has a leader that gives a shit about its people, but socialism would suit them much better.
The special period refers to the time since the collapse of the soviet union. With cuba being heavily dependant on the soviet union it faced complete collapse along with the soviet union.

During the special period cuba has seen more capitalist type reforms being created in order to bring in enough money. The set up of the tourism industry being the best example

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

The special period ended a while ago.

[Janus]

I doubt most people would share their actual names at all in public. Who knows, maybe someone could&#39;ve stolen that man&#39;s identity to get some health benefits. :P

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Cubans have long last names. He didn&#39;t want to waste his time saying "oh, me llamo Jorge Luis Raul Martinez de los Gonzales de La Habana".

The full name of Kiefer Sutherland is Kiefer William Frederick Dempsey George Rufus Sutherland. One just say Kiefer Sutherland.

His father is Donald Sutherland; his full name, though, is Donald McNicol Sutherland. One just say "Donald Sutherland".

The full name of Francisco Franco was Francisco Paulino Hermenegildo Teódulo Franco y Bahamonde Salgado Pardo. Usually one just say "Francisco Franco".

Guevara&#39;s full name was, if I am not mistaken, Ernesto Rafael Guevara de la Serna. I&#39;d imagine when someone asked his last name or full name he would just say something like "Ernesto Guevara" or "Guevara".

[Red Rebel]

Originally posted by "hastalavictoria"+--> ("hastalavictoria")Fuck all you Castroite altruists, you swear as if Cuba was some socialist haven, its not, so get the fuck over it. It is the most progressive nation in the world, but it is not socialist.[/b]

I agree with you that Cuba is not a "socialist haven" but it is the closest to it.


Socialism is a worker-controlled economy, Cuba does not have that.

More so than in capitalism.


Revolution will be the path to a communist society, Cuba is not on that path.

How so?


Originally posted by "FoB"+--> ("FoB")Castro will never dismantle the state as long as he&#39;s alive.[/b]

It would be extremely hard for a stateless (basically communist) society to function while being surrounded by capitalism and countries with states. Almost all countries are dependent on each other. Castro won&#39;t abolish the state (besides the fact that it is the peoples job) because it wont work.


"hastalavictoria"@
Sorry, but Cuba&#39;s path is capitalism, however way you see it.

Castro isn&#39;t the last first generation revolutionary, and even if he was, it doesn&#39;t mean the people after him that will be elected will be capitalist (like China).


"NWOG"
Guevara&#39;s full name was, if I am not mistaken, Ernesto Rafael Guevara de la Serna. I&#39;d imagine when someone asked his last name or full name he would just say something like "Ernesto Guevara" or "Guevara".

He signed the banknotes, when he was president of the National Bank of Cuba, just "Che."

[Karl Marx's Camel]

He signed the banknotes, when he was president of the National Bank of Cuba, just "Che."
Yes, but if I call correctly, that was a special case.

What I have read several places is that he didn&#39;t want to sign his name on money (after all Ernesto wanted a money-free society), so he, with disdain, wrote "Che".

[chebol]

actually, after the revolution, he signed most things "che".

[Red Rebel]

Also NWOG, I was reading the news on Cuba and found this (http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/world/15491454.htm).

Not so much about the article but more about these Cubans:
Marta Rodriguez
Ariel Dross
Clara Aleida Labrada
Mireya Echevarria
Blanca Ruiz
mentioning their last name.