The Sick & Degenerate Mind of Leon Trotsky

[The Incorruptible]

Ever heard the one about Trotsky and Voline in N.Y. city before the Bolshevik revolution? They were talking in a print shop and Voline was saying how pretty the soon the Left-Marxists would probably gain power in Russia and come out strong in the revolution and end up killing the anarchists. Trotsky was flabbergasted at him and said, "Come, come comerade. What's all this nonsense? We kill the anarchists! Never! No way, look at us, good friends, how could such a thing be? Like you, we are anarchists, in the final analysis. It's just that you want to bring anarchism right away. While we believe a transitory period will be needed---a Dictatorship of the Proletariat. It's only a difference of degrees. So then, come, come, come what's all this talk about killing anarchists? We would never do such things."

Well, after the revolution, Voline was arrested in the Mahknovist region by Bolshevik authorities. The guards asked Trotsky what to do with Voline. Trotsky wrote back in a telegram, "Shoot out of hand.---Trotsky" Fortunately, Voline managed to convince the captors otherwise. From the Chapter entitled "The Unknown Revolution" by Voline, found in No Gods, No Masters: An Anthology of Anarchism by Daniel Guerin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voline

[Okocim]

The safety of the revolution was paramount.

and can I have a source for Trotsky's "order" which wasn't written by Voline himself?

[rouchambeau]

I don't side one bit with Trotsky, but it seems absolutely childish for people (on both sides) to bring this outdated shit to light.

[citizen_snips]

You can't ignore the fact that Trotsky had evil witch powers. How else can a man simply vanish from photographs like that?

[Red Rebel]

Voline fought against the Bolsheviks in the Civil War. And you wonder why he was arrested?


You can't ignore the fact that Trotsky had evil witch powers. How else can a man simply vanish from photographs like that?

:lol:

[YSR]

I keep saying it, but he only disappeared from those pictures so he could hide his identity as Colonel Sanders from KFC.

And yeah, this is a little outdated, no kidding. We anarchists know what the Leninists will do with us if they suceed in their revolution, we don't need to beat the dead horse.

[Ceeker]

Originally posted by Young Stupid Radical
I keep saying it, but he only disappeared from those pictures so he could hide his identity as Colonel Sanders from KFC.


LOL, I thought I was the only one that noticed that. :P



And yeah, this is a little outdated, no kidding. We anarchists know what the Leninists will do with us if they suceed in their revolution, we don't need to beat the dead horse.

No kidding...

[Lings]

Originally posted by Young Stupid [email protected] 2 2006, 12:12 AM
"We anarchists know what the Leninists will do with us if they suceed in their revolution, we don't need to beat the dead horse."


Only if you start fighting the revolution once again.

[CombatLiberalism]

There are more important reasons to criticize Trotsky than this alleged act. On more than one occasion, Trotsky was pushing for civil war in the Soviet Union, just as the NAZIS were poised to invade , ie. the infamous clemenceau declaration. Stalin was too tolerant toward him the degenerate traitor Trotsky.

[Labor Shall Rule]

I would of certainly not supported the attacks on various sections of the anarchist movement within Russia, but when you have an insurgent army in Ukraine that is raiding food supplies, commonly siding with the White Army, and destroying important infastructure projects, such as bridges or railword tracks, I would most certainly support an all out destruction of such a evil force.

[Labor Shall Rule]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 10:46 PM
There are more important reasons to criticize Trotsky than this alleged act. On more than one occasion, Trotsky was pushing for civil war in the Soviet Union, just as the NAZIS were poised to invade , ie. the infamous clemenceau declaration. Stalin was too tolerant toward him the degenerate traitor Trotsky.
Trotsky was pushing for civil war in the Soviet Union at a time in which Stalin was permitting the training of German, Romanian, and Bulgarian troops within his own country. Trotsky was pushing for civil war at a time in which Stalin opened diplomatic relations with a government that killed off socialist parties, throwed trade unionists in jails, and massacred striking workers. Trotsky was pushing for civil war in the Soviet Union at a time in which Stalin executed his whole millitary leadership and significantly cut back his funding of the millitary. The real douche here was Stalin, not Trotsky.

[Comrade-Z]

...commonly siding with the White Army...

Just to set the record straight, the Makhnovites did not side with White Army forces. They opposed both the Bolsheviks and the White Armies.


I don't side one bit with Trotsky, but it seems absolutely childish for people (on both sides) to bring this outdated shit to light.

I would tend to agree with you, except in this instance I think it does demonstrate something rather important: no matter what Leninists say at this point about not harming anarchists and just letting them be during a revolution, when push comes to shove, there's a good chance that they will violently oppose anarchists, even if it is in order to protect their new government. We will hear things like, "In a revolution, certain things must be done...." or


The safety of the revolution was paramount.

or


Only if you start fighting the revolution once again.

Now, you may oppose or disagree with this policy of shooting anarchists in a revolution. I don't want to dispute that issue right here. But let's not kid ourselves: when the revolution comes, unless things change drastically within the revolutionary leftist movement before then, anarchists and Leninists will not be on the same sides of the barricades. Prepare accordingly.

(And believe me, I would much rather not have to fight Leninists during a revolution. But it looks like I will have no choice, if history is any guide....)

[Spirit of Spartacus]

But let's not kid ourselves: when the revolution comes, unless things change drastically within the revolutionary leftist movement before then, anarchists and Leninists will not be on the same sides of the barricades. Prepare accordingly.


As a Leninist, I consider that to be far too pessmistic.

I mean, IF the anarchists take into their heads that we "Lennies" are comrades, and that they ought not to fight us as "just another state" after the revolution, there's no reason why we can't work peacefully among ourselves.

[Labor Shall Rule]

Originally posted by Comrade-[email protected] 3 2006, 03:08 AM
Just to set the record straight, the Makhnovites did not side with White Army forces. They opposed both the Bolsheviks and the White Armies.

I would tend to agree with you, except in this instance I think it does demonstrate something rather important: no matter what Leninists say at this point about not harming anarchists and just letting them be during a revolution, when push comes to shove, there's a good chance that they will violently oppose anarchists, even if it is in order to protect their new government. We will hear things like, "In a revolution, certain things must be done...."

Now, you may oppose or disagree with this policy of shooting anarchists in a revolution. I don't want to dispute that issue right here. But let's not kid ourselves: when the revolution comes, unless things change drastically within the revolutionary leftist movement before then, anarchists and Leninists will not be on the same sides of the barricades. Prepare accordingly.

(And believe me, I would much rather not have to fight Leninists during a revolution. But it looks like I will have no choice, if history is any guide....)
"Just to set the record straight, the Makhnovites did not side with White Army forces. They opposed both the Bolsheviks and the White Armies."

I OBJECT! Makhno sided with both Trotsky and the White Army at different various times. When it seemed that the Red Army was gaining significant strength in the region, Makhno would allow Denikin or Wrangel to pass their armies through Makhnovista Ukraine while even providing shelter and grain to these troops. But yes, he did the same thing with the Red Army also. He was a simple renegade.

"no matter what Leninists say at this point about not harming anarchists and just letting them be during a revolution, when push comes to shove, there's a good chance that they will violently oppose anarchists, even if it is in order to protect their new government."

If you guys don't burn down any Starbucks, I am sure that we will be fine. What about you guys violently opposing us?

"We will hear things like, "In a revolution, certain things must be done...."

Russia was the only real example of how the anarchists chose not to side with the Bolsheviks. They formed independant rural communes, refusing to participate with the organized Bolshevik state, limiting the amout of grain that was flowing into urban centers. They battled with other worker millitias in the streets due to the fact that they were "statists". They broke from the soviet system and limited the goods produced within the workplace to that specific community that they were located in, refusing to cooperate with all workers across Russia. They used terror tactics on public officials. They soon, right after a credit system was organized a few weeks after the October Revolution, started robbing thousands of banks across Moscow and Petrograd.

In response to these occurances, the Bolsheviks raided a warehouse that housed 50 anarchists who were connected to the robberies. They also organized worker millitias to stop the constant feuding between small groups of rousy anarchist worker councils across the country. In response to these "authoritarian" actions, the anarchists responded more violently, without attempting to understand why the government would do such things. Some went as far to side with the Mensheviks and Socialst Revolutionaries to destroy the Bolshevik government.

[CombatLiberalism]

Trotsky was pushing for civil war at a time in which Stalin opened diplomatic relations with a government that killed off socialist parties, throwed trade unionists in jails, and massacred striking workers. Trotsky was pushing for civil war in the Soviet Union at a time in which Stalin executed his whole millitary leadership and significantly cut back his funding of the millitary. The real douche here was Stalin, not Trotsky.

Even many Trotskyists won't defend Trotsky's de facto NAZI collaboration. (And I am being very generous here by saying "de facto.") As far as purging the military, it may have save the Soviet Union. The NAZIS were later counting on some kind of coup of unreliable officers. It never materialized, probably because of Stalin's actions. As far as the Pact, it was merely to buy time as internal documents show. Stalin was very aware that it would not last, but it gave them more time to get their military and industrial base up to strength. Actually, Stalin sought alliances with the West to buy time also, but those fell through. Whatever mistakes Stalin may have made, overall, his policies saved the Soviet Union. Trotskyists refuse to acknowledge reality because of their sick religious commitment to Trotsky. Here is a Twelve Step Program for Trotskyists: http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/classics/trotsky.html Good Luck on your recovery!

Trotsky got what he deserved. He was a degenerate sick traitor. Trotskyists are fine with Trotsky's elimination of renegades but scream foul when Stalin dealt harshly with their own God. (Actually, Stalin gave Trotsky a chance to just be exiled, but Trotsky continued to stir up counter-revolution. So, Stalin was too merciful in this case.) The anarchists are correct to point out Trotskyist hypocrisy.

[YSR]

So, Stalin was too merciful in this case

:o First time that's ever been said!

[gilhyle]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 10:46 PM
Stalin was too tolerant toward him the degenerate traitor Trotsky.
If only the USSR had had a strong minded helmsman, a dictator wllling to crush all dissent, kill everyone who sneezed. THink how well everything might have turned out. Instead they got stuck with this kind, sentimental man loved by children and dogs.:rolleyes:

[Vargha Poralli]

There are more important reasons to criticize Trotsky than this alleged act. On more than one occasion, Trotsky was pushing for civil war in the Soviet Union, just as the NAZIS were poised to invade , ie. the infamous clemenceau declaration. Stalin was too tolerant toward him the degenerate traitor Trotsky.

Stalin is a coward. He feared everyone around him and thats why he killed not only trotsky but also zinonev,kamenev,bhukarin and all the old bolsheviks. he feared them bcos he thought they might steal his place in history as mighty leader of ussr.with his tiny little brain he squandered some 6 million lives of the soldiers of red army during early stages of the war.only after he left generals like zhukov to do the most strategic decisions did the tide turned for soviet union.


Even many Trotskyists won't defend Trotsky's de facto NAZI collaboration

if you are not aware it is stalin who actually collabrated with NAZIS to divide poland and he screwed comintern tooo to please his allied comrades churchill and roosevelt.and no one under him ever respected him they just feared and hated him and thats why his name has gone to dustbin immediately after his death.

[Spirit of Spartacus]

Stalin is a coward. He feared everyone around him and thats why he killed not only trotsky but also zinonev,kamenev,bhukarin and all the old bolsheviks. he feared them bcos he thought they might steal his place in history as mighty leader of ussr.with his tiny little brain he squandered some 6 million lives of the soldiers of red army during early stages of the war.only after he left generals like zhukov to do the most strategic decisions did the tide turned for soviet union.


Bullshit. Read "Another View of Stalin" by Comrade Ludo Martens.



if you are not aware it is stalin who actually collabrated with NAZIS to divide poland and he screwed comintern tooo to please his allied comrades churchill and roosevelt.and no one under him ever respected him they just feared and hated him and thats why his name has gone to dustbin immediately after his death.

Nonsense. Stalin had no option but to secure the USSR against Nazi Germany, especially because the Western powers (Britain, France, USA) were deliberately isolating the USSR in the hopes that Hitler would crush it.

[Red Rebel]

Even many Trotskyists won't defend Trotsky's de facto NAZI collaboration.

Besides Soviet and Nazi armies cooperating against the west in the 30s ever hear of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact ? Also: "

"...1939 through half of 1941, Stalin and the USSR fed and equipped Hitler and Germany as Germany invaded Western Europe and attacked the UK by air."
Invasion of the Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWII#War_spreads:_1940)


Stalin was very aware that it would not last, but it gave them more time to get their military and industrial base up to strength.

Then shouldn't have the German army not advanced so far?


Whatever mistakes Stalin may have made, overall, his policies saved the Soviet Union.

He saved the USSR but he sacrificed socialism and communism for it.


http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/classics/trotsky.html

MIM *rolls eyes*


Trotskyists refuse to acknowledge reality because of their sick religious commitment to Trotsky.

I constantly ask Stalinists this, but how was Trotsky religious?


Trotskyists are fine with Trotsky's elimination of renegades but scream foul when Stalin dealt harshly with their own God.

Counter Revolutionaries vs made up Counter Revolutionaries

[CombatLiberalism]

Besides Soviet and Nazi armies cooperating against the west in the 30s ever hear of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact ? Also: "

To buy time. And, the policy was successful. It secured preparation time as even bourgeois historians acknowledge. In addition, the western powers were trying to isolate the Soviet Union. They were hoping Nazi Germany would crush then. This has been addressed already in this thread. Please read.


Then shouldn't have the German army not advanced so far?

The Soviets had just began to nationally industrialized in the 30s with the First Five Year Plan! Every day was crucial time to continue. What to you think? Military strength falls like manna from heaven?


He saved the USSR but he sacrificed socialism and communism for it.

Wrong. Stalin represented the proletarian camp within the CPSU.


I constantly ask Stalinists this, but how was Trotsky religious?

Obviously, you don't understand the difference between materialism and religious commitment to an ideology. Trotskyists are not revolutionary scientists, they have a religious commitment to their ideology. Trotskyists are irrelevant anyways; they don't make revolutions. The reactionary labor aristocracy they pander to prefer fascism to Trotskyism.

[bezdomni]

Trotskyism is bourgeois decadence....

[Revolution67]

I hope everyone will enjoy this humorous take on Trotsky and Trotkyists (From http:// antitrot.tripod.com )

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You might be a Trotskyite if...

What are 5 trots doing in one phone booth?
Marching against phone bills (or their yearly convention).

You may be a Trot if... you have ever thought about wearing an axe as piece of headgear.

You may be a Trot if... you refer to a recent breakup with a girlfriend as a factional split.

You may be a Trot if... every one of your friends heads his own International.

You may be a Trot if... you have ever argued that stockbrokers or bankers are really proletarians.

You may be a Trot if... your mom shouting "dinner's ready!" has ever prevented a split in your Party

You may be a Trot if... anyone has ever told you that your newspaper makes great lining for litter boxes.

You might be a Trotskyite if you get stuck on the highway because you thought you could keep driving your car after it ran out of gas.

You might be a Trotskyite if your closest ties to the proletariat are your friends working at Starbucks.

You might be a Trotskyite if you easily get "stage" fright. (har har)

You might be a Trotskyite if you refer to the suburbs as "the
ghetto."

You might be a Trotskyite if you would join a cult if it weren't for the religious parts.

You might be a Trotskyite if your hands are always covered with red newspaper ink.

You might be a Trotskyite if you refer to sex as "deep entrism."

You might be a Trotskyite if you think Fridha Kahlo was actually hot.

You might be a Trotskyite if you try to justify everything by saying "oh, but that happened before 1917."

You might be a Trotskyite if your in an organization with 10 people that broke off from an organization that had 20 people after that orgranization split from another organization that had 40 people which had a schism a week prior with an organization that had 80 people after it turned to Trotskyism.

You might be a Trotskyite if you know everything there is to know about web design but absolutely nothing about Marxism.

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[Reverend]

May I remind yo guys that during the Spanish civil war, the Soviet newspaper "Pravda" reported that "As soon as the revolution is over the anarchist and trotskyist elements will be exterminated as effectively as in the Soviet Union."

(I know this statement doesn't fit in the "new" turn of this thread... It is posted far too late, but i think it is relevant to the earlier posts on the thread.)

[Okocim]

this thread is fucking stupid. how can anarchists/stalinists attack leninists/trots for what Trotsky may or may not have done (still haven't got that alternative source) considering circumstances at the time?

Firstly, Stalinists haven't got a leg to stand on here given how Stalin "perserved" the revolution (murderous ****).

Secondly, yes, if anarchists revolt against the temporary state created after revolution then they will be treated as counter-revolutionaries like any member of the bourgeois or fascists who act against it. To treat them as anything else would be foolish.

[Vargha Poralli]

this thread is fucking stupid. how can anarchists/stalinists attack leninists/trots for what Trotsky may or may not have done (still haven't got that alternative source) considering circumstances at the time?

Firstly, Stalinists haven't got a leg to stand on here given how Stalin "perserved" the revolution (murderous ****).

Secondly, yes, if anarchists revolt against the temporary state created after revolution then they will be treated as counter-revolutionaries like any member of the bourgeois or fascists who act against it. To treat them as anything else would be foolish.

Second

[rebelworker]

OHHHH boyyy...

You kids need to read some stuff tha isnt written by Trotsky.

try The Bolsheviks and Workers Control (http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/russia/sp001861/bolintro.html) for a good pro worker account of the Rusian Revolution.

It wasnt just anarchists they were crushin, it was the most advanced and self organised elements of the proletariate. Of course it was done because they proletariate was so weak and would have been easily manipulated by petty burgoise elements who would have instituted small scale capitalism and one man management instead of workers controll of the economy.....

hey, wait a minute :o

[CombatLiberalism]

Who needs reality when they have their God Trotsky..

[Jimmy Jazz]

You might be a Trotskyite if...

What are 5 trots doing in one phone booth?
Marching against phone bills (or their yearly convention).

You may be a Trot if... you have ever thought about wearing an axe as piece of headgear.

You may be a Trot if... you refer to a recent breakup with a girlfriend as a factional split.

You may be a Trot if... every one of your friends heads his own International.

You may be a Trot if... you have ever argued that stockbrokers or bankers are really proletarians.

You may be a Trot if... your mom shouting "dinner's ready!" has ever prevented a split in your Party

You may be a Trot if... anyone has ever told you that your newspaper makes great lining for litter boxes.

You might be a Trotskyite if you get stuck on the highway because you thought you could keep driving your car after it ran out of gas.

You might be a Trotskyite if your closest ties to the proletariat are your friends working at Starbucks.

You might be a Trotskyite if you easily get "stage" fright. (har har)

You might be a Trotskyite if you refer to the suburbs as "the
ghetto."

You might be a Trotskyite if you would join a cult if it weren't for the religious parts.

You might be a Trotskyite if your hands are always covered with red newspaper ink.

You might be a Trotskyite if you refer to sex as "deep entrism."

You might be a Trotskyite if you think Fridha Kahlo was actually hot.

You might be a Trotskyite if you try to justify everything by saying "oh, but that happened before 1917."

You might be a Trotskyite if your in an organization with 10 people that broke off from an organization that had 20 people after that orgranization split from another organization that had 40 people which had a schism a week prior with an organization that had 80 people after it turned to Trotskyism.

You might be a Trotskyite if you know everything there is to know about web design but absolutely nothing about Marxism.

Wonderful. :D

[gilhyle]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 07:48 AM

You might be a Trotskyite if you think Fridha Kahlo was actually hot.


If there were that many trotskyists the world would be a very different place.

The thing I find funniest in all this is stalinists laughing at trotskyists for belonging to tiny parties....pot calling the kettle black....these stalinists are so living in the past that they still use the old arguments, even when they now apply to themselves.

You may noticed 'comrades', the money aint coming from Moscow/Peking any more, the trade union bosses aint interested any more, the subsidised bookshops are all closed, the plane tickets for summer trips to paradise on earth dont happen anymore .... you're small ..... and getting smaller every day !

[Revolution67]

Originally posted by gilhyle+Sep 5 2006, 04:10 AM--> (gilhyle @ Sep 5 2006, 04:10 AM)
[email protected] 4 2006, 07:48 AM

You might be a Trotskyite if you think Fridha Kahlo was actually hot.


If there were that many trotskyists the world would be a very different place.[/b]
Comrade:

I do not understand the anti-Stalinist jibe of the most of the members on this messageboard. Well, one has to merely browse through the "Crimes of Stalin" and its sequels. You would see in those threads, the rotting carcasses of anti-Stalinist polemics strewn around. The massacre was led by Comrade Marcel, Comrade Intelligitimate and Comrade Rabbleaux, who mercilessly crushed their opponents. Seeing those anti-Stalinists running around helter-skelter was indeed a treat to watch. :D

Having said that, I do not know what stops Trotskyists from claiming that Lenin was, infact, a great Trotskyist leader. :rolleyes:

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by Jimmy [email protected] 4 2006, 08:40 PM

You might be a Trotskyite if...

What are 5 trots doing in one phone booth?
Marching against phone bills (or their yearly convention).

You may be a Trot if... you have ever thought about wearing an axe as piece of headgear.

You may be a Trot if... you refer to a recent breakup with a girlfriend as a factional split.

You may be a Trot if... every one of your friends heads his own International.

You may be a Trot if... you have ever argued that stockbrokers or bankers are really proletarians.

You may be a Trot if... your mom shouting "dinner's ready!" has ever prevented a split in your Party

You may be a Trot if... anyone has ever told you that your newspaper makes great lining for litter boxes.

You might be a Trotskyite if you get stuck on the highway because you thought you could keep driving your car after it ran out of gas.

You might be a Trotskyite if your closest ties to the proletariat are your friends working at Starbucks.

You might be a Trotskyite if you easily get "stage" fright. (har har)

You might be a Trotskyite if you refer to the suburbs as "the
ghetto."

You might be a Trotskyite if you would join a cult if it weren't for the religious parts.

You might be a Trotskyite if your hands are always covered with red newspaper ink.

You might be a Trotskyite if you refer to sex as "deep entrism."

You might be a Trotskyite if you think Fridha Kahlo was actually hot.

You might be a Trotskyite if you try to justify everything by saying "oh, but that happened before 1917."

You might be a Trotskyite if your in an organization with 10 people that broke off from an organization that had 20 people after that orgranization split from another organization that had 40 people which had a schism a week prior with an organization that had 80 people after it turned to Trotskyism.

You might be a Trotskyite if you know everything there is to know about web design but absolutely nothing about Marxism.

Wonderful. :D
You might be a dickbox if...you find this funny

[CombatLiberalism]

Trotskyists are indeed sick and degenerate labor aristo-KKK-rats.

[gilhyle]

Originally posted by Rudra+Sep 5 2006, 04:22 AM--> (Rudra @ Sep 5 2006, 04:22 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 04:10 AM

[email protected] 4 2006, 07:48 AM

You might be a Trotskyite if you think Fridha Kahlo was actually hot.


If there were that many trotskyists the world would be a very different place.
Comrade:

I do not understand the anti-Stalinist jibe of the most of the members on this messageboard. Well, one has to merely browse through the "Crimes of Stalin" and its sequels. You would see in those threads, the rotting carcasses of anti-Stalinist polemics strewn around. The massacre was led by Comrade Marcel, Comrade Intelligitimate and Comrade Rabbleaux, who mercilessly crushed their opponents. Seeing those anti-Stalinists running around helter-skelter was indeed a treat to watch. :D

Having said that, I do not know what stops Trotskyists from claiming that Lenin was, infact, a great Trotskyist leader. :rolleyes: [/b]
While there are some 'degenerate' Trotskyists who like laud trotsky as a hero, and while mass cultures tend to produce and laud heros, most people you call 'trotskyites' dont (or shouldnt) need heros and should approach Lenin, trotsky or any of them with an admiration for what they got right and a willingness to criticise what they got wrong.

That is one of the few benefits of the isolation from mass politics that both trotskyists and stalinists currently share - that it is possible to bring these dead comrades back into the pantheon of real, flawed people who were revolutionaries instead of the competing idols the degeneration of the russian revolution turned them all into.

No more heros.

[bezdomni]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 04:49 PM
Trotskyists are indeed sick and degenerate labor aristo-KKK-rats.
Did you mean that seriously?

I get that you hate trotskyists, but did you really mean that. Like....did you write that without thinking just for a second "this will sound really dumb"?

[VRKrovin]

Comrades,


I am currently working on a book about Trotsky and Trotskyism. It will detail, and list the sources of, the anti-Leninist views and actions of baron Bronstein (Trotsky; Trotsky acted so aristocratically and treated his subordinates in the Red Army like such scum, that they dubbed him 'the baron' ; he started out as a Narodnik/Populist, and called comrade Lenin 'a despot and a terrorist'). Yet today, the Trotskyist poisoners consider themselves the true continuers of the cause of Lenin. What rubbish! They are anti-Bolshevik!


Krovin

[Angry Young Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 07:48 AM
You might be a Trotskyite if you think Fridha Kahlo was actually hot.


What's not hot about Frida Kahlo? She was naturally beautiful. Just because she wasn't made up like a clown-whore (even though I am), doesn't mean she's not hot. You've just given in to the capitalist form of beauty. Here's one: you're a Trot if you don't find a woman wearing enough makeup to make a school ma'am look good or a man head to toe in baby oil and a tan attractive.
Suck on that, ya tory wanker!

[Angry Young Man]

Originally posted by Permanent Revolution+Sep 5 2006, 05:50 PM--> (Permanent Revolution @ Sep 5 2006, 05:50 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 05:13 PM

[email protected] 5 2006, 05:49 PM
Trotskyists are indeed sick and degenerate labor aristo-KKK-rats.

fuck you.


bloody unrealistic, pie in the sky anarchists.... <_<
That guy&#39;s a Maoist actually [/b]
Even bloody worse&#33; Genocidal tosser.
Trotskyism is the closest we have to true Marxism, with the transitionsal state as opposed to permanent (which locks the freed workers into new chains) or none to start with (that degenerates into chaos).
It also places the emphasis in the industrial proletariat... LIKE MARX&#33; as opposed to the peasantry. In fact, in the manifesto, didn&#39;t comrade Chuck say the peasants are reactionary?
Maoists and Stalinists - go and kill a race like your demagogues. You and yours are more closely associated to Hitler than Marx, fuckbags

[Marx Lenin Stalin]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 09:47 am
I hope everyone will enjoy this humorous take on Trotsky and Trotkyists (From http:// antitrot.tripod.com )

================================================== =

You might be a Trotskyite if...

What are 5 trots doing in one phone booth?
Marching against phone bills (or their yearly convention).

You may be a Trot if... you have ever thought about wearing an axe as piece of headgear.

You may be a Trot if... you refer to a recent breakup with a girlfriend as a factional split.

You may be a Trot if... every one of your friends heads his own International.

You may be a Trot if... you have ever argued that stockbrokers or bankers are really proletarians.

You may be a Trot if... your mom shouting "dinner&#39;s ready&#33;" has ever prevented a split in your Party

You may be a Trot if... anyone has ever told you that your newspaper makes great lining for litter boxes.

You might be a Trotskyite if you get stuck on the highway because you thought you could keep driving your car after it ran out of gas.

You might be a Trotskyite if your closest ties to the proletariat are your friends working at Starbucks.

You might be a Trotskyite if you easily get "stage" fright. (har har)

You might be a Trotskyite if you refer to the suburbs as "the
ghetto."

You might be a Trotskyite if you would join a cult if it weren&#39;t for the religious parts.

You might be a Trotskyite if your hands are always covered with red newspaper ink.

You might be a Trotskyite if you refer to sex as "deep entrism."

You might be a Trotskyite if you think Fridha Kahlo was actually hot.

You might be a Trotskyite if you try to justify everything by saying "oh, but that happened before 1917."

You might be a Trotskyite if your in an organization with 10 people that broke off from an organization that had 20 people after that orgranization split from another organization that had 40 people which had a schism a week prior with an organization that had 80 people after it turned to Trotskyism.

You might be a Trotskyite if you know everything there is to know about web design but absolutely nothing about Marxism.

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fucking trotskyists - traitors of the international working class and of revolution.

The Trotskyists make Comrade Stalin into some mythical boogeman but want to know what they WILL NOT, no , WILL NEVER tell you??

That in the Central Committee of the Communist Party, when Stalin offered his resignation after Lenin&#39;s death, EVERYONE in the party, INCLUDING Trotsky voted against Stalin&#39;s resignation&#33;&#33;

Trotsky was also a miserable coward.

[BreadBros]

This is one of the stupidest threads I&#39;ve seen. Useless back and forth between two irrelevant sectarian factions.


You may be a Trot if... every one of your friends heads his own International.

Most Trotskyist groups I know are bigger than any Marxist-Leninist groups I know of. I mean, MLS, aren&#39;t you the "Chairman" of like a 5-member internet-based "Party"? I think that says it all.

[bezdomni]

fucking trotskyists - traitors of the international working class and of revolution.

Damn&#33; How&#39;d you know&#33;


The Trotskyists make Comrade Stalin into some mythical boogeman but want to know what they WILL NOT, no , WILL NEVER tell you??

We certainly acknowledge that Stalin existed. We don&#39;t "make him up" as some "mythical boogieman". In fact, most Trots recognize the (few) progressive things Stalin did...the "boogieman" aspect doesn&#39;t have to be fabricated though.


That in the Central Committee of the Communist Party, when Stalin offered his resignation after Lenin&#39;s death, EVERYONE in the party, INCLUDING Trotsky voted against Stalin&#39;s resignation&#33;&#33;
I&#39;d sure Trotsky would have voted differently had he known he&#39;d eventually get an ice pick in his head from great comrade Stalin.

Along with many of the other old guard bolsheviks.


Trotsky was also a miserable coward.
Yep. A miserable coward who led a revolutionary worker&#39;s army to victory against a larger and better equipped imperialist armies.

Victorious revolutions with Trotsky: 1
Victorious revolutions with you: 0

[Severian]

Also, Trotsky fucked dolphins. (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=42006)

[Leo]

Here&#39;s a piece by the ICC about Trotsky:

http://en.internationalism.org/ir/103_trotsky.htm

[Wanted Man]

You might be a Trotskyite if you think Fridha Kahlo was actually hot.
Interestingly, Kahlo became VERY pro-Stalin in her later life.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/...6.mencimer.html (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0206.mencimer.html)


More importantly, though, Kahlo&#39;s Communism--now treated as somehow sort of quaint--led her to embrace some unforgivable political positions. In 1936, Rivera, a dedicated Trotskyite, used his clout to petition the Mexican government to give Trotsky and his wife asylum after they were forced out of Norway. Rivera and Kahlo put up the Trotskys in Kahlo&#39;s family home, where Kahlo seduced the older man. (She painted a self-portrait dedicated to him that now hangs in Washington&#39;s NMWA.)


After Trotsky was assassinated, however, Kahlo turned on her old lover with a vengeance, claiming in an interview that Trotsky was a coward and had stolen from her while he stayed in her house (which wasn&#39;t true). "He irritated me from the time that he arrived with his pretentiousness, his pedantry because he thought he was a big deal," she said.


Rarely is this unflattering detail included in the condensed Kahlo story. Nor is the fact that Kahlo turned on Trotsky because she had become a devout Stalinist. Kahlo continued to worship Stalin even after it had become common knowledge that he was responsible for the deaths of millions of people, not to mention Trotsky himself. One of Kahlo&#39;s last paintings was called "Stalin and I," and her diary is full of her adolescent scribblings ("Viva Stalin&#33;") about Stalin and her desire to meet him.

http://www.law.ucla.edu/volokh/fridastalin54.jpg