Karl Math

[bezdomni]

Marx's Mathematical Manuscripts (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1881/mathematical-manuscripts/index.htm)

Was there anything Marx couldn't do?

Let's have a nerdy discussion on Marxism and calculus. So far I've only read parts of "On the Concept of the Derived Function" and I think it's pretty good. It doesn't have a ton of analysis, from what I've seen...but it is still a good explanation of derivatives.

What do you think?

[rouchambeau]

Did you know he even wrote poetry?

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 07:09 PM
Was there anything Marx couldn't do?
No.

In fact Marx was more of a god, then well, God.

[ComradeRed]

Originally posted by rouchambeau+Aug 30 2006, 04:34 PM--> (rouchambeau @ Aug 30 2006, 04:34 PM) Did you know he even wrote poetry?[/b] Engels too.


[email protected] 30 2006, 04:09 PM
Was there anything Marx couldn't do? "Not die" comes to mind.


Let's have a nerdy discussion on Marxism and calculus. I think it'd be only you and me then :mellow:


So far I've only read parts of "On the Concept of the Derived Function" and I think it's pretty good. It doesn't have a ton of analysis, from what I've seen...but it is still a good explanation of derivatives. I think I could do it better without any dialectical jargon.

Step 1: f(x+dx) - f(x), be sure to treat f(x+dx) as a plynomial when substituting it in!
Step 2: divide step 1 by dx
Step 3: Set dx=0.
Result == derivative.

Newton would be either proud or ashamed of me. Now where's my parade?


What do you think? I think that Marx probably learnt this too late to use it, I wonder what Das Kapital would've been like with calculus.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

SP:


Was there anything Marx couldn't do?

Marx was a genius, but this should be sunk without trace; next to Herr Vogt, it is easily his worst work.

I take it apart here:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/page%2007.htm#derivative

[Taiga]

Oh, yes, Marx was good. I love his observation that zero can't be a complete zero because in this case the transition to one would be impossible.

[JimFar]

As I understand it, Marx studied the calculus with the intention of applying it to political economy. However, he didn't really begin his studies of that subject until quite late in the game, around the time that he was working on the third volume of Capital. I think he might have made some use of it in developing the arguments in that work.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Taiga,


I love his observation that zero can't be a complete zero because in this case the transition to one would be impossible.

This does not make any sense, if it is not a 'complete' zero, what is the process transitioningto, or what could one transition to?

And the dickens is a 'complete' zero?

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Jim

Well, from what he actually wrote, Marx's comprehension of the calculus was comparable to that of Engels, but much less insecure.

He certainly failed to consult recent work, or even relatively recent work (i.e., anything after Cauchy, or even Cauchy).

And his analysis was, shall we say, very poor, and not much better than that available 100 years earlier, and in many ways much worse.

Now it might prove possible to resurrect it with Robinson's non-standard analysis (but the dialectical jargon will have to go), but as far as I am aware no one has tried that yet.

I suspect it's not worth the effort.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by Rosa [email protected] 1 2006, 05:05 PM
Taiga,


I love his observation that zero can't be a complete zero because in this case the transition to one would be impossible.

This does not make any sense, if it is not a 'complete' zero, what is the process transitioningto, or what could one transition to?

And the dickens is a 'complete' zero?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Perm, I am not sure Taiga's post was sarcastic, but if so, I take your point.

[The Grey Blur]

Yeah I was just kidding

And stop calling me Perm

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Ok, Rev. :)

[metalero]

BTW, can anyone provide a link to Marx or Engels poetry works?

[ComradeRed]

BTW, can anyone provide a link to Marx or Engels poetry works? The Younger Years... (http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/date/index.htm#Early)

[Chrysalis]

I've taken some time off and I've lost my spot. I need to get in shape again so I get back my motivation in posting Marx's philosophy again. Not that I've said a lot already, or even that I know a lot. I don't.

Shit! Revolution is hard work.

What the hell is wrong with me??? Have I not the loyalty and sincerity needed to be part of this cause?

Jesus, I should be banned, or better yet, banished from this site. I feel like a fake and insincere. I'm sorry.

[adz170]

Originally posted by ComradeRed+Aug 31 2006, 12:40 AM--> (ComradeRed @ Aug 31 2006, 12:40 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 04:34 PM
Did you know he even wrote poetry? Engels too.


[email protected] 30 2006, 04:09 PM
Was there anything Marx couldn't do? "Not die" comes to mind.


Let's have a nerdy discussion on Marxism and calculus. I think it'd be only you and me then :mellow:


So far I've only read parts of "On the Concept of the Derived Function" and I think it's pretty good. It doesn't have a ton of analysis, from what I've seen...but it is still a good explanation of derivatives. I think I could do it better without any dialectical jargon.

Step 1: f(x+dx) - f(x), be sure to treat f(x+dx) as a plynomial when substituting it in!
Step 2: divide step 1 by dx
Step 3: Set dx=0.
Result == derivative.

Newton would be either proud or ashamed of me. Now where's my parade?


What do you think? I think that Marx probably learnt this too late to use it, I wonder what Das Kapital would've been like with calculus. [/b]
ok , if comrade red isnt a genius the he needs a capitalist piece of paper which says he is , cause that stuff just doesnt make sense to me , and seems rather mathmatically crazy... :D , also i have a question , what is your job?

[ComradeRed]

...also i have a question , what is your job? Well, if you saw my title, I was a hobo for a while (actually, due to an unfortunate twist of fate, I will remain the resident hobo). I used to do some engineering odd-jobs before that.

But now, now I'm just a simple hobo.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by Rosa [email protected] 3 2006, 01:54 AM
Ok, Rev. :)
Damn you

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

How about Polution, then?

:D

[bezdomni]

Originally posted by Rosa [email protected] 8 2006, 08:03 PM
How about Polution, then?

:D
It's an inconvenient truth.