India to launch anti maoist(Naxalites) campaign

[che_diwas]

Just heard in the news that the Indian government is building an unified command to fight the maoists(the naxalites) in 13 states. The movement is gaining momentum rapidly in the past few months.

Not only the army and the police are being deployed but also they are willing to arm the general people to fight against the naxalites...

I wanna ask you all on what will be the long term effect that the idea of arming the general public will lead to .. wheather it will be successfull or not?

And also another thing... I dont know about the Naxalite movement that much so could anyone please help me by suggesting few sites that I could visit...

[Red Heretic]

Hey comrade, great to hear from you.


Just heard in the news that the Indian government is building an unified command to fight the maoists(the naxalites) in 13 states. The movement is gaining momentum rapidly in the past few months.


I just recently read that last week was the first time they had used thier military against our Indian Maoist comrades. It was in the form of them using the Indian Air Force against the Maoist revolutionaries. I'm unaware of any ground troups being deployed yet, however. Where did you hear this?


but also they are willing to arm the general people to fight against the naxalites...

Well, they are not actually arming the masses as a whole, as that would work favorably for the revolution. What they are doing, is organizing villagers into vicious reactionary militias similar to the Contras in Nicaragua. They are referred to as the "Salwa Judum." They go around pillaging and terrorizing the masses, and are rewarded for doing so.

Obviously there are no universal answers comrade. According to the CPI(Maoist), they have been completely capable of handling the problem, and have dealt several major blows to the "Salwa Judum." Their party is growing very rapidly, and the poeple's war is expanding exponentially.

Of course, this kind of favor did succeed for the imperialists in Nicaragua, so who knows.

If you'd like more analysis, I'd recommend you to read the Indian Maoist magazine, People's March. (http://peoplesmarch.googlepages.com/Jun-Jul2006.pdf)

[PRC-UTE]

I was reading about the reactionary bands being organised by the Indian government today in the Economist. apparently they're also widely accused of rape, pillaging, violence and extortion against civilians who aren't even Naxalites. It's likely it will backfire if they continue with that strategy.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Red Heretic, you should study up on the Nicaraguan revolution. Most of the contras were former members of Somoza's national guard, with Hondurian and Costa Rican mercenaries; not average Nicas.

[Spirit of Spartacus]

I fear that the Maoists are trapped in ultra-leftist nonsense. They're bringing dis-credit to the Indian revolutionary left.

In Pakistan, despite being neighbours of India, we don't let ultra-leftists run wild. Hopefully our rapidly-growing movement will be a mature and ideologically-sound movement.

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by Spirit of [email protected] 31 2006, 05:37 AM
I fear that the Maoists are trapped in ultra-leftist nonsense. They're bringing dis-credit to the Indian revolutionary left.
I don't claim to know a whole lot about them, but so far they seem to be kicking bourgeois ass on a pretty big scale. They're basically Maoism minus the cult of leadership?

anyway, could you explain further. cos they seem to be interesting in that they're a leftist group that aren't irrelevant like many others.

[stevensen]

the naxalite movement is flawed....india needs a combination of the working class and the peasants..the naxalites have neglected the working class ..their movement is now based on just violence. tell me how many corrupt politicians and industrialists have they killed? they kill any village man not in favor of their ideology..this is the effect of neglecting the industrial worker..destined to live in the vilages a classical encirclement of the cities by the villages wll not work..something that worked in backward china years ago will never work in india where the salesman and the industiral worker have been neglected by the naxals...they are just dogmatist men trying to export the theory of the chinese revolution to tindia realizing little that ground conditions have changed and a mere copying of a model so many years ago will not work. they are just blind copy cats without a proper understanding of the theory of revolution....last heard they were opposing government efforst to build roads into villages..will the local populace support them when they go against devlopement like this?? they are too dogmatic and to uinspired and too much of copy cats of mao to adpt the maoist theory to new conditions in india... the working class needs to be a part of the movement to succeed in india..the naxals are the greatest threat to the movement to india..shooting anyone who is not with them..thats what their ideology is

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

for more information perhaps you could try wikipedia?

I don't see this making a huge impact on the resistance movement...

Out of interest, where abouts are the Maoist strongpoints in India?
I've always wondered if there's any sort of cooperation between the Nepalese and the Indian Maoists...

[stevensen]

the maoist strong points is the dense underdeveloped villages deep into the forests which border from nepal through uttar pradesh (north india), bihar (north) jharkand (north and partly in the east) madhya pradesh (central) bengal (east but not extreme east) and the huge forests of andhra pradesh (southern india). of these the movement is partucularly strong in andhra pradesh.
there was some hints of collaboration at a theoritical level between the indan maoists and the nepal maoists ut ever since the nepal maoists agreed to an attempt to join the political process in nepal the indian naxalites have labelled them as traitors.

[Spirit of Spartacus]

Well, PRC-UTE, I think comrade stevensen answered your question better than I could.

The Maoists in India are not acting like a mature movement. As Lenin said, they are poor Marxists indeed if they cannot combine legal and illegal means of struggle against the bourgeois state.

The Maoists have ruled out the "legal" struggle, preferring to stay out of the political process.

And as comrade stevensen points out, the Maoists are dogmatists trying to apply the Chinese rules to the Indian situation.

[Spirit of Spartacus]

I've always wondered if there's any sort of cooperation between the Nepalese and the Indian Maoists...


Very little, even on a ceremonial level. As comrade stevensen pointed out, the childish ultra-left Maoists are accusing the Nepalese Maoists of treachery and stuff.

The Nepalese Maoists are very different from the Indian Maoists. Chairman Prachanda of the Nepalese Maoists has a mature appraisal of the situation, unlike the Indian Maoists.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 31 2006, 03:35 AM
Red Heretic, you should study up on the Nicaraguan revolution. Most of the contras were former members of Somoza's national guard, with Hondurian and Costa Rican mercenaries; not average Nicas.
Ah, that's not what I meant comrade. I meant that the Salwa Judum are similar to the Contras in their tactics (ie. reactionary, mass-murdering, imperialist backed rapist guerillas).

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by PRC-[email protected] 31 2006, 05:57 AM
anyway, could you explain further. cos they seem to be interesting in that they're a leftist group that aren't irrelevant like many others.
Since when has offering class-based opposition to Capitalism been irrelevant?

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by Spirit of [email protected] 31 2006, 05:00 PM


The Nepalese Maoists are very different from the Indian Maoists. Chairman Prachanda of the Nepalese Maoists has a mature appraisal of the situation, unlike the Indian Maoists.


I've always wondered if there's any sort of cooperation between the Nepalese and the Indian Maoists...


Very little, even on a ceremonial level. As comrade stevensen pointed out, the childish ultra-left Maoists are accusing the Nepalese Maoists of treachery and stuff.

Fucking bullshit. The Communist Party of India (Maoist) is a new party which is composed of two different parties which were members of the Revolutionary Internationalist Movement (the union of Maoists which contains the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA and the Communist Party of Nepal Maoist). The Communist Party of India(Maoist) is currerently in the process of joining the RIM.

Both the CP India (Maoist) and the CP Nepal (Maoist) are members of the regional coalition, CCOMPOSA.

The Communist Party of India (Maoist) never accused the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) of "treachery," and those kinds of lies just work in favor of the enemy. The CPI(Maoist) did, however, make several criticisms of the CPN(M)'s tactics. After these criticisms were made, the imperialists and bourgeois media started spreading lies regarding a "rift" growing between the two parties. As a result, both parties released this joint press statement:


ON RECENT DEBATES

The Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) and the Communist Party of India
(Maoist) jointly re-assert their firm commitment to proletarian
internationalism, mutual fraternal relations, on the basis of MLM. All
tactical questions are being adopted in the respective countries are the
sole concern of the parties operating there. Both parties will seek to
learn from the positive experiences of the other party as also the
experiences of the Maoists who comprise the ICM.

While doing so we shall continue debates on ideological, political and
strategic issues on which we differ in the true democratic traditions of
the international communist movement. These debates and discussions will
take place bilaterally and occasionally, publicly. Such differences are
inevitable as struggles in the sphere of ideas are inevitable in a class
society, which, as Engel's said, is a reflection of the class struggle
in society.

Lately a section of the media has tried to blow out of proportion
differences that have been expressed by the two parties publicly. It is
in the interests of the reactionaries that Maoists divide and split
continuously. It is then no wonder that a section of the media has
sought to exaggerate the differences in India and Nepal.

The two parties once again re-assert their firm unity in the spirit of
proletarian internationalism while continuing healthy debates and
discussions on issues on which we differ.

ON LEBANON
The CPN (Maoist) and CPI (Maoist) jointly condemn the brutal attack of
the America-backed Israeli regime against the people of Lebanon. In the
name Of attacking the guerrilla resistances, they have resorted to mass
massacre, killing about 1,000 and displacing 25% of the population of
Lebanon. The Zionist genocide regime, acting as the front paw of the US
imperialists, is becoming more and fiercer throughout the world, and
this is yet another adventure against an independent country.

Not satisfied with being bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US
stooges are facing stiff resistance in Lebanon. The attack on Lebanon is
fraught with great dangers as the forces fighting there have the strong
backing of Syria and Iran. If the war escalates, it can engulf the
entire West Asia.

Even in South Asia, the US imperialists are more and more openly
intervening in the countries of the region. Particularly in Nepal and
India, they have been directly intervening in the suppression of the
Maoist movements. As part of their direct intervention, the US officers
have themselves been training the RNA and even entering every sphere of
society to subvert the ongoing anti-monarchical movement. In India, the
US diplomats have been openly visiting Chhatisgargh and the military-run
jungle warfare camp as part of their plans to suppress the Maoists.

We, the Maoist parties of Nepal and India strongly condemn the blatant
aggression of Lebanon and call for the immediate withdrawal of all
Israeli troops and an end to the bombing of civilian targets by the
Zionists. The two parties also call for the immediate end of the
interference by the US in the internal affairs of Nepal and India and
the other countries of South Asia.

Azad Satya
Spokesperson CPI (Maoist) CCM CPN (Maoist)

August 8 2006

I find the distortion, dishonesty, and slander of the Indian Maoist comrades by Spirit of Spartacus and stevensen to disturbing. :angry:

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by Permanent Revolution+Sep 1 2006, 08:46 PM--> (Permanent Revolution @ Sep 1 2006, 08:46 PM)
PRC-[email protected] 31 2006, 05:57 AM
anyway, could you explain further. cos they seem to be interesting in that they're a leftist group that aren't irrelevant like many others.
Since when has offering class-based opposition to Capitalism been irrelevant? [/b]
He means that the are actually working to bring about a revolution, as opposed to being caught up in bourgeois politics like most of the other parties in India (and the rest of the world) are.

[violencia.Proletariat]

I fear that the Maoists are trapped in ultra-leftist nonsense. They're bringing dis-credit to the Indian revolutionary left.

I hate to see what you think of real ultraleftism if you think these maoists are ultra leftists :lol:

How are they discrediting the revolution? Because you don't like them? The only people who matter are the indian peasants. Mainstreem westerners will always oppose these movements because the media labels them as killers.


As Lenin said, they are poor Marxists indeed if they cannot combine legal and illegal means of struggle against the bourgeois state.

The Maoists have ruled out the "legal" struggle, preferring to stay out of the political process.

And as comrade stevensen points out, the Maoists are dogmatists trying to apply the Chinese rules to the Indian situation.

Guess what, parlimentarianism has NEVER worked.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by Spirit of [email protected] 31 2006, 03:46 PM
And as comrade stevensen points out, the Maoists are dogmatists trying to apply the Chinese rules to the Indian situation.
Give me a break. So in other words, learning from previous revolutions, and applying their lessons to the concrete conditions in one's own country is dogmatism? That's like saying that there is something wrong with modern day scientists because they apply Darwin's lessons to today's questions.

Actually, it's called materialism. The Bolsheviks applied the lessons of the Paris Commune to the concrete conditions in their own country to bring about the Russian Revolution. The Chinese applied the lessons of the Russian Revolution to the concrete conditions in their own country to bring about a revolution.

That is exactly what our Indian comrades are doing, and it is something for the international proletariat to be proud of.

[RedKnight]

Naxalites sound like the "shining path" (http://hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shining_path) in Peru.

[Phalanx]

Don't use wikipedia for a reference. Anybody, and that includes capitalists, can edit and write articles.

It looks as though the Indian government is getting scared. Rightfully so, the tyrant to the north will be deposed of, and they know they're next. When you have something so oppressive as the caste system, there's little doubt as to why people are revolting.

This current action brings to light how false the belief that India is the world's biggest democracy really is.

[The Grey Blur]

If we only supported groups who attract attention I would be planting a roadside bomb right now

The truth is that a political group's platform and aims that are the conditions for our support and not solely "action"

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by Permanent Revolution+Sep 1 2006, 08:46 PM--> (Permanent Revolution @ Sep 1 2006, 08:46 PM)
PRC-[email protected] 31 2006, 05:57 AM
anyway, could you explain further. cos they seem to be interesting in that they're a leftist group that aren't irrelevant like many others.
Since when has offering class-based opposition to Capitalism been irrelevant? [/b]
I'm into the real thing, not talking about it.

The Maoists - with tremendous courage - are actually out there fighting for communism.

I'm not a Maoist (not even a Leninist) but I respect them for fighting with more than slogans and newspapers.

[Revolution67]

Originally posted by Spirit of [email protected] 31 2006, 11:07 AM
I fear that the Maoists are trapped in ultra-leftist nonsense. They're bringing dis-credit to the Indian revolutionary left.

In Pakistan, despite being neighbours of India, we don't let ultra-leftists run wild. Hopefully our rapidly-growing movement will be a mature and ideologically-sound movement.
Perhaps, it only goes on to show how little you know about the Indian maoist movement, yet you have the cheek, the impudence to call it ultra-leftist non-sense :angry: My advice, if you do not know jack about anything, then do not open your mouth. Heed Mark Twain's advice "It better to keep your mouth shut and be taken for a fool rather than opening it and removing all doubt.". A few months ago, a team of a television news channel, did a documentary on Indian maoists and they were pleasently surprised to find that Maoists have setup schools, hospitals and were distributing lands to the tribals and peasents and making use of indegenous methods to cultivate land and providing for water irrigation. They accomplished what the bourgeoisie Indian government could not do even after 60 years since indepedance from the British rule.

Regarding Pakistan's maoist movement, it is all too non-existent, with only a bunch of posters posing as comrades in a couple of leftist messageboards on the net. Pakistan is more known for ultra-reactionary Islamic fundamentalism than your non-existent Pakistan branded Maoism.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 06:58 AM
Regarding Pakistan's maoist movement, it is all too non-existent, with only a bunch of posters posing as comrades in a couple of leftist messageboards on the net. Pakistan is more known for ultra-reactionary Islamic fundamentalism than your non-existent Pakistan branded Maoism.
I think he's talking about some of the revisionist, psuedo-"communist" parties in Pakistan, not Maoists.

[The Grey Blur]

I'm into the real thing, not talking about it.
Well I can't wait to see you down in the city centre with your AK


The Maoists - with tremendous courage - are actually out there fighting for communism.
They're fighting for control of the peasantry and some of their tactics don't exactly require "courage"


I'm not a Maoist (not even a Leninist) but I respect them for fighting with more than slogans and newspapers.
So you favour short-term fatalistic campaigns based on a reactionary class rather than building up a steady proletarian support for Socialism, nice.

Just because these idiots are armed doesn't make them revolutionary

[Spirit of Spartacus]

I'm into the real thing, not talking about it.

The Maoists - with tremendous courage - are actually out there fighting for communism.

I'm not a Maoist (not even a Leninist) but I respect them for fighting with more than slogans and newspapers.


It is more important to act under the correct ideological line than to merely act.

[Spirit of Spartacus]

I think he's talking about some of the revisionist, psuedo-"communist" parties in Pakistan, not Maoists.


I'm talking about Marxist-Leninists who uphold the glorious legacy of Mao Zedong Thought but don't swallow the infatile ultra-leftist deviations of the Shining Path. (who incidentally were the first to use the term "Maoism")

[Janus]

I've also heard that the Indian government is training local militias to better deal with the Maoist guerrillas. However, this is still in the infant stage and we have yet to see how much these militias will hamper the Maoist movement.

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by Permanent [email protected] 2 2006, 06:27 PM

I'm into the real thing, not talking about it.
Well I can't wait to see you down in the city centre with your AK


The Maoists - with tremendous courage - are actually out there fighting for communism.
They're fighting for control of the peasantry and some of their tactics don't exactly require "courage"


I'm not a Maoist (not even a Leninist) but I respect them for fighting with more than slogans and newspapers.
So you favour short-term fatalistic campaigns based on a reactionary class rather than building up a steady proletarian support for Socialism, nice.

Just because these idiots are armed doesn't make them revolutionary
bla bla blah.

I'm not going to talk all about what I'm active in, but it's more than chit chat.

It's getting old being lectured by someone who's not even a worker and just jumped on the socialist bandwagon a few months ago who was previously mocking me for being a 'utopian' irp.