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highway star
27th July 2003, 14:55
US forces caught 11 turkish soldiers in North Iraq.Government is still thinking that they r our allies.How about ur ideas on this subject?
Reuben
27th July 2003, 15:27
Why, as a socialist am i expected to give a fuck about 11 soldiers fighing, on behalf of a bourgoir state, to try and perpetuate the oppression of the long suffering Kurdish people.
IPkurd
27th July 2003, 16:12
highway star i guess ur turkish then, well the turkish goverment well never wake up to the demands of us kurds (i hate them sooo much).
anyway you being turkish will probably make you unable to understand us kurds anyway so why am i even borthering
il Commy
27th July 2003, 20:13
"anyway you being turkish will probably make you unable to understand us kurds anyway so why am i even borthering"
Why? Can't I, a jewish israeli, understand the suffering of the palestinians and fight against the occupation? Can't a turkish person do the same about the kurds?
"Why, as a socialist am i expected to give a fuck about 11 soldiers fighing, on behalf of a bourgoir state, to try and perpetuate the oppression of the long suffering Kurdish people"
Most of the soldiers (not officers) come from the working class. It is our job as communists to convince them not to rebel and refuse to be servants of imperialism. In the german revolution (1919, failed, Luxemburg wrote about it some articles) they even founded soldiers' councils along with workers' councils. We should care alot about the sufferings of these soldiers, since they are one of the bases to the revolution.
Organic Revolution
27th July 2003, 20:35
Quote: from il Commy on 2:13 am on July 28, 2003
"anyway you being turkish will probably make you unable to understand us kurds anyway so why am i even borthering"
Why? Can't I, a jewish israeli, understand the suffering of the palestinians and fight against the occupation? Can't a turkish person do the same about the kurds?
"Why, as a socialist am i expected to give a fuck about 11 soldiers fighing, on behalf of a bourgoir state, to try and perpetuate the oppression of the long suffering Kurdish people"
Most of the soldiers (not officers) come from the working class. It is our job as communists to convince them not to rebel and refuse to be servants of imperialism. In the german revolution (1919, failed, Luxemburg wrote about it some articles) they even founded soldiers' councils along with workers' councils. We should care alot about the sufferings of these soldiers, since they are one of the bases to the revolution.
exactly except for one thing. the soldiers who fight are ussually the most brainwashed.
highway star
27th July 2003, 23:00
ok.i agree with u il commy.In fact there are no prob between kurds and turks.because we r brothers and sisters.usa,europen countries and arabic countries didnt want a strong turkey on this area.For this they showed the kurd prob.what is kurd prob?reuben?IPkurd?all people lives east of turkey had same prob.But kurds began to fight to turks.for what?for freedom?they r free essentially.Because of poor conditions?Every turk in the east had same probs.but kurds killed 30,000 innocent people in the east.
i am sharing my desk with a kurd at school.And there are a lot of kurds at my school.But we dont have main problems.i am repeating.we got no prob.we r brothers .we must organize to USA and its dogs together.Then we will got the real freedom.(i must say that i am supporting govennment includes prime minister,... and i am doing nothing for ur expections reuben.all my work for turk and kurd folks freedom and socialism)
il Commy
27th July 2003, 23:32
Quote: from highway star on 11:00 pm on July 27, 2003
ok.i agree with u il commy.In fact there are no prob between kurds and turks.because we r brothers and sisters.usa,europen countries and arabic countries didnt want a strong turkey on this area.For this they showed the kurd prob.what is kurd prob?reuben?IPkurd?all people lives east of turkey had same prob.But kurds began to fight to turks.for what?for freedom?they r free essentially.Because of poor conditions?Every turk in the east had same probs.but kurds killed 30,000 innocent people in the east.
i am sharing my desk with a kurd at school.And there are a lot of kurds at my school.But we dont have main problems.i am repeating.we got no prob.we r brothers .we must organize to USA and its dogs together.Then we will got the real freedom.(i must say that i am supporting govennment includes prime minister,... and i am doing nothing for ur expections reuben.all my work for turk and kurd folks freedom and socialism)
So you're saying kurds in Turkey are like blacks in the USA, and not like palestinians in the middle east?
il commy, ur bang on right mate
same applie for UK soldiers, most are from working class backgrounds such as the slums of liverpool, who want to get outta unemployment
Guardia Bolivariano
28th July 2003, 02:48
http://www.cool.mb.ca/~kakel/graphics2/kurdis.gif
I think what's happening is that the kurds want a free kurdistan , while at the same time the turks one some territory of the iraqi-kurdis zone.
Those tuekish troops were special forces, suposedly there to kill kurdish leaders.
Since the kurds are the most reliable allie the US had in the war they don't want to see border clasheh betwen turkish and kurd troops.
The reson the turkish troops were capture was to suposedly prevent them from assasinating a kurd political figure.
Severian
28th July 2003, 05:58
The other possibility is that they were trying to arm, or give military training to, Iraqi Turkmeni groups, for use in intercommunal conflict. The happy face Turkey could try to put on this is helping Turkmeni defend themselves from Kurdish ethnic cleansing - which is going on, with minimal objection from the US/UK occupiers - but basically its just another capitalist state seeking to intervene in its own interests.
highway star
28th July 2003, 10:28
answer to il commy:
they are not blacks in usa.there is prejudice to blacks in usa.inn blacks were slaves but after yhey got their freedom white americans still hate them.situation is different here.until 84 we had nop prob.we were fighting together to capitalism,religionism .but in 84 usa forced brothers to fight.
IPkurd
28th July 2003, 14:08
you say that us kurds are free in turkey, but are we, we cant name our children with kurdish names. we cant speack our language, we get abbused by officials if we stand up for kurdish rights so how the hell is that free?
us kurds use to want a kurdistan but now kurdish leaders are calling that "outdated nationalism" (but i still want whats right fully ours) so dont have to worry about losing your land just yet. ok we are brothers, but how can we go from turks murdering people, burning down villages, raping women to brotherhood?
You say that we killed 30,00 civilians, but that was due to the war between us two we didnt just kill people because they didnt complay with the PKK, APO killed many soliders but the turkish goverment changed this so that it looks like the soldiers were civilians, you just happen to believe everything turkish TV tells you.
and dont say i believe everything Med-ya TV tells us because i dont watch it
Invader Zim
28th July 2003, 14:45
Quote: from TavareeshKamo on 12:34 am on July 28, 2003
il commy, ur bang on right mate
same applie for UK soldiers, most are from working class backgrounds such as the slums of liverpool, who want to get outta unemployment
I hate to disagree with you, but I have a cousin who is an airman in the RAF, he has a masters degree and comes from a typical middle class family.
Deniz Gezmis
28th July 2003, 15:47
Quote: from IPkurd on 2:08 pm on July 28, 2003
you say that us kurds are free in turkey, but are we, we cant name our children with kurdish names. we cant speack our language, we get abbused by officials if we stand up for kurdish rights so how the hell is that free?
us kurds use to want a kurdistan but now kurdish leaders are calling that "outdated nationalism" (but i still want whats right fully ours) so dont have to worry about losing your land just yet. ok we are brothers, but how can we go from turks murdering people, burning down villages, raping women to brotherhood?
You say that we killed 30,00 civilians, but that was due to the war between us two we didnt just kill people because they didnt complay with the PKK, APO killed many soliders but the turkish goverment changed this so that it looks like the soldiers were civilians, you just happen to believe everything turkish TV tells you.
and dont say i believe everything Med-ya TV tells us because i dont watch it
www.dozame.org
That site can back up everysingle one of this comrades claims.
Non-Sectarian Bastard!
28th July 2003, 21:20
Quote: from il Commy on 8:13 pm on July 27, 2003
"anyway you being turkish will probably make you unable to understand us kurds anyway so why am i even borthering"
Why? Can't I, a jewish israeli, understand the suffering of the palestinians and fight against the occupation? Can't a turkish person do the same about the kurds?
"Why, as a socialist am i expected to give a fuck about 11 soldiers fighing, on behalf of a bourgoir state, to try and perpetuate the oppression of the long suffering Kurdish people"
Most of the soldiers (not officers) come from the working class. It is our job as communists to convince them not to rebel and refuse to be servants of imperialism. In the german revolution (1919, failed, Luxemburg wrote about it some articles) they even founded soldiers' councils along with workers' councils. We should care alot about the sufferings of these soldiers, since they are one of the bases to the revolution.
I agree with you, but those were not ordinary soldiers. They were commando's, known for their dedication and natioalism.
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