Finally! The Bible makes sense.

[Red Heretic]

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2986/flydino1nh9.gif

[RedAnarchist]

:lol:


What does the bible actually say about how they got all the animals on the ark?

[Comrade C.A.]

"jesus horses"

[nightwatchman]

WTF where did you find that, is that what some relgionous people beleive or is that just a joke.

[Red Heretic]

Hahaha, it's a joke. My friend sent it to me. According to the Bible, the animals were all given magical instructions from god, and were all able to magically migrate accross oceans and continents to the ark, and then lined up two by two and entered the ark in an orderly fashion (seriously).

[homeo_apathy]

noah fit 2 of every single animal in existance (which wouldve bin alot more back then) onto a boat... :lol:

[bcbm]

God shrunk the animals.

Duh.

[Black Dagger]

I thought dinosaurs (and their fossils) were just a big scam by Satan to test our faith?

[Comrade J]

They used to make us sing about animals going into the ark when I was a child. URGH it genuinely frustrates me that I was force-fed that shit.

What are peoples' opinions on the 'Noah's Ark' they supposedly found on Mt. Ararat?

Click (http://www.wyattmuseum.com/noahs-ark.htm).


This is meant to be the ark. Anyone know what it really is?

http://www.wyattmuseum.com/images/wpe109.jpg

[Black Dagger]

Some earth?

[Comrade C.A.]

rock formation

[Comrade C.A.]

all those animals must've been pretty peaceful for the carnivores not to rip the fuck outta everything else.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 1 2006, 02:15 AM
all those animals must've been pretty peaceful for the carnivores not to rip the fuck outta everything else.
I'm assuming God put them under a love spell, like what Cthenthar has done to me :wub:

[Eleutherios]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 31 2006, 03:37 PM
What are peoples' opinions on the 'Noah's Ark' they supposedly found on Mt. Ararat?
According to the geological community, it's just a natural rock formation, and a classic example of pareidolia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia).

[bcbm]

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 31 2006, 09:33 AM
I thought dinosaurs (and their fossils) were just a big scam by Satan to test our faith?
No, there were "behemoths" mentioned early in the Bible. Dinosaurs and humans obviously coexisted, until the flood, which is when the dinosaurs all died and the floodwater + mud made their fossils.

This is also when unicorns became extinct.

[Okocim]

sorry to put a hole in your lovely little pic/theory, but all the continents used to be joined together and so the animals all just walked to the ark. ;)


:P

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 07:40 AM
sorry to put a hole in your lovely little pic/theory, but all the continents used to be joined together and so the animals all just walked to the ark. ;)


:P
Christians don't believe this.

Pangea (the super continent) existed 200-300 million years ago.

Christians only believe the world is 4000-6000 years old.

They're silly.

[Comrade J]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 31 2006, 04:12 PM
rock formation
Obviously, I was asking if anyone knew specifically what caused the rock formation/what type it was.

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 31 2006, 09:58 AM
God shrunk the animals.

Duh.
Except the dragons and unicorns.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 1 2006, 04:48 AM
Christians don't believe this.

Pangea (the super continent) existed 200-300 million years ago.

Christians only believe the world is 4000-6000 years old.

They're silly.
Not only do Christians not believe that, but the human species has only existed for about 100 thousand years. That's 300 million years after the existence of Pangea.

[Tower of Bebel]

Not all christians are the same, but that doesn't mather anymore :unsure: .
You can find similar rock formations in Israel and other parts of the middle east.

[bcbm]

but the human species has only existed for about 100 thousand years.

200 thousand.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Red Heretic+Sep 2 2006, 07:14 AM--> (Red Heretic @ Sep 2 2006, 07:14 AM)
Black [email protected] 1 2006, 04:48 AM
Christians don't believe this.

Pangea (the super continent) existed 200-300 million years ago.

Christians only believe the world is 4000-6000 years old.

They're silly.
Not only do Christians not believe that, but the human species has only existed for about 100 thousand years. That's 300 million years after the existence of Pangea. [/b]
All christians should believe that, that's what christian biblical authorities have stated - that's where the vatican and lots of pentecostal denominations hang their hat.

One of the central tenets of christianity is obedience, christians are meant to obey not only god but 'his' authorities on earth, independant thinking about the age of gods earth doesn't really factor into that.

Certainly not all christians take the bible as seriously as others (i.e. they ignore parts of gods truth that they disagree with or don't care for), but that just makes them hypocritical.

As for the human species,

Pangea existed 200-300 million years old, that someone in this thread incorrectly defened christian belief by asserting that the animals on noah's ark were gathered at a time when the worlds continents were joined (Pangea), and thus making the feat of gathering 2 of every animal a lot more plausible - is not my concern.

Why?

Well firstly because ive never heard or read any christian assert that the great flood occurred during this time (Pangea).

And second, as i pointed out (and your point about modern humans has reinforced this further) - that idea is complete bollocks.

Pangea predates christian doctrine as to the age of the earth by hundreds of millions of years, and also (as you pointed out) predates modern humans by a similar amount.

[Zero]

http://www.atheistnetwork.com/modules/gallery/albums/album01/aao.jpg

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 1 2006, 11:05 PM

200 thousand.
Eh? You sure? Source?

Neanderthals don't count...

[razboz]

Originally posted by Red Heretic+Sep 2 2006, 06:11 PM--> (Red Heretic @ Sep 2 2006, 06:11 PM)
black banner black [email protected] 1 2006, 11:05 PM

200 thousand.
Eh? You sure? Source?

Neanderthals don't count...[/b]
Would that count as Racism if they were still around? How do you think theyd integrate into the rest of human society. Apparently they very evolved and did a bunch of things way before we did like burial rites and drawings and stuff. This is what im tol d of course.

I think this thread is rather silly, because everyone is preaching to the converted (play on words intended) and youre all just skwabling over minor points.

AnywaysThere are Chirsitans who beleive in Jesus Christ and God and so on, but interpret the Bible differently in a way to create a more flexible religion. I cant remember what their called.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by RazBoz+--> (RazBoz)AnywaysThere are Chirsitans who beleive in Jesus Christ and God and so on, but interpret the Bible differently in a way to create a more flexible religion. I cant remember what their called.[/b]

We covered this already, they're called hypocrites :P


me
certainly not all christians take the bible as seriously as others (i.e. they ignore parts of gods truth that they disagree with or don't care for), but that just makes them hypocritical.

[razboz]

AhA. Hipocrites. But arent all Christians who do not actively seek for redemption of their own and everyone elses sins through goodness hipocrites? Anyways i dont think anyone can seriously unhipocritically beleive in god. I think they all just do it to look good and to feel better about themselves.


But we are disgressing from the real issue here which is the Neanderthal question : How would they relate to humans? Would they exist as another ethnicity?? Like blacks, or asians or mexicans? Kind of "dont go there thats a Neanderthal neighbourhood." Maybe.

[The Rover]

It had nothing to do with flying dinosaurs. The Flying Spaghetti Monster reached out and brought them to the ark with its great noodle-y appendage.

[that1guy435]

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 1 2006, 04:48 AM
Christians don't believe this.

Pangea (the super continent) existed 200-300 million years ago.

Christians only believe the world is 4000-6000 years old.

They're silly.
You're ignorant, and a *****. The Catholic church, and most Protestant churches, support the theory of evolution, the Big Bang Theory, etc. They do NOT believe the world is only 4000 years old, they do, for the most part, accept modern science. I'm not a Christian, but to say something like that and say shit you don't understand about people's religions make you no better than the ignorant redneck fucks that condemn Muslims. Don't be such a **** unless you actually understand what you're talking about.

[Seven Stars]

Originally posted by that1guy435+Sep 3 2006, 04:31 AM--> (that1guy435 @ Sep 3 2006, 04:31 AM)
Black [email protected] 1 2006, 04:48 AM
Christians don't believe this.

Pangea (the super continent) existed 200-300 million years ago.

Christians only believe the world is 4000-6000 years old.

They're silly.
You're ignorant, and a *****. The Catholic church, and most Protestant churches, support the theory of evolution, the Big Bang Theory, etc. They do NOT believe the world is only 4000 years old, they do, for the most part, accept modern science. I'm not a Christian, but to say something like that and say shit you don't understand about people's religions make you no better than the ignorant redneck fucks that condemn Muslims. Don't be such a **** unless you actually understand what you're talking about. [/b]
Thanks that1guy. Catholics. and the majority of Christians, do not interpret the Bible literally. There is a difference between historical truth and religious truth.

[razboz]

Originally posted by Irish_Republican+Sep 3 2006, 04:56 AM--> (Irish_Republican @ Sep 3 2006, 04:56 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 04:31 AM

Black [email protected] 1 2006, 04:48 AM
Christians don't believe this.

Pangea (the super continent) existed 200-300 million years ago.

Christians only believe the world is 4000-6000 years old.

They're silly.
You're ignorant, and a *****. The Catholic church, and most Protestant churches, support the theory of evolution, the Big Bang Theory, etc. They do NOT believe the world is only 4000 years old, they do, for the most part, accept modern science. I'm not a Christian, but to say something like that and say shit you don't understand about people's religions make you no better than the ignorant redneck fucks that condemn Muslims. Don't be such a **** unless you actually understand what you're talking about.
Thanks that1guy. Catholics. and the majority of Christians, do not interpret the Bible literally. There is a difference between historical truth and religious truth. [/b]
That sounds dangerously sexist to me.

No im afraid i have to throw that back at you: those relegious epople who beleieve in evolution are hipocrites who do not understand their own relegion. They are ignorant of the "facts" that the bible says. If youre going to start ignoring some bits, why not ignore others, like the bit about god, or Jesus. Most Protestants beleive in Jesus i think, and their only "historical" basis for this is the bible. Its completely ridiculous to beleive in one thing and not the other. I think the bible is very clear: in christianity the only true truth is the one in the bible. end of story. I mean are you going to go around saying that in fact god is a metaphore? This is proof enough that monotheistic jedeo-islamo-christian gods cannot exist in the face of science. But perhaps somone should move this to OI if were all going to get religious about it.

[Comrade J]

The Bible also says that eating shellfish is an abomination, and you shouldn't wear clothes made of more than one material, or plant more than one type of crop in a field.

That's why it's absolutely fucking annoying when God-botherers are more than happy to condemn homosexuals and so on, yet they ignore plenty more stuff in the Bible such as those I mentioned. And they don't own slaves or concubines either, in fact some have even gone so far as to condemn slaves and concubines :o But the Bible says it's ok, so it must be!

Fucking hypocrites.



Originally posted by that1guy435+Sep 3 2006, 04:31 AM--> (that1guy435 @ Sep 3 2006, 04:31 AM)
Black [email protected] 1 2006, 04:48 AM
Christians don't believe this.

Pangea (the super continent) existed 200-300 million years ago.

Christians only believe the world is 4000-6000 years old.

They're silly.
You're ignorant, and a *****. The Catholic church, and most Protestant churches, support the theory of evolution, the Big Bang Theory, etc. They do NOT believe the world is only 4000 years old, they do, for the most part, accept modern science. I'm not a Christian, but to say something like that and say shit you don't understand about people's religions make you no better than the ignorant redneck fucks that condemn Muslims. Don't be such a **** unless you actually understand what you're talking about.[/b]

Dude, easy off the abuse calling him a ****, it's unneccesary to prove your point.
Anyway, he's partially right, thousands of Christians still don't accept the theory of evolution, including many Catholics (some I know) so how the hell does him thinking this make him "no better than the ignorant redneck fucks that condemn Muslims?"
He hasn't said Christians are the most evil people ever and they should be killed, he just said what they believe is silly. Which it is.

[that1guy435]

Originally posted by razboz+Sep 3 2006, 08:10 AM--> (razboz @ Sep 3 2006, 08:10 AM)
[email protected] 3 2006, 04:31 AM

You're ignorant, and a *****. The Catholic church, and most Protestant churches, support the theory of evolution, the Big Bang Theory, etc. They do NOT believe the world is only 4000 years old, they do, for the most part, accept modern science. I'm not a Christian, but to say something like that and say shit you don't understand about people's religions make you no better than the ignorant redneck fucks that condemn Muslims. Don't be such a **** unless you actually understand what you're talking about.

That sounds dangerously sexist to me.

No im afraid i have to throw that back at you: those relegious epople who beleieve in evolution are hipocrites who do not understand their own relegion. They are ignorant of the "facts" that the bible says. If youre going to start ignoring some bits, why not ignore others, like the bit about god, or Jesus. Most Protestants beleive in Jesus i think, and their only "historical" basis for this is the bible. Its completely ridiculous to beleive in one thing and not the other. I think the bible is very clear: in christianity the only true truth is the one in the bible. end of story. I mean are you going to go around saying that in fact god is a metaphore? This is proof enough that monotheistic jedeo-islamo-christian gods cannot exist in the face of science. But perhaps somone should move this to OI if were all going to get religious about it. [/b]
You know as well as I do that words like that have taken on multiple meanings. And I apologize, many of my close friends are Christians, so I was quite pissed and I guess overdid it. Now, to move on to the other content of your post. Those Christians who believe in evolution aren't hypocrites, even the Vatican backs the evolution. The vast majority of Christians ('cept for those few assholes) believe the Bible to be universal truth, not universal fact. The Bible is NOT meant to be taken literally, no one has said it is.

[Comrade C.A.]

fuck religion

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by razboz+Sep 2 2006, 06:48 PM--> (razboz @ Sep 2 2006, 06:48 PM)
Originally posted by Red [email protected] 2 2006, 06:11 PM

black banner black [email protected] 1 2006, 11:05 PM

200 thousand.
Eh? You sure? Source?

Neanderthals don't count...
Would that count as Racism if they were still around? How do you think theyd integrate into the rest of human society. Apparently they very evolved and did a bunch of things way before we did like burial rites and drawings and stuff. This is what im tol d of course. [/b]
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

dude, they don't count as humans because they're not. They're a totally different species!

[Tower of Bebel]

They do not differ that much.

[Red Heretic]

They have completely different chromosones, cannot breed with humans, and have a VERY different genetic make-up.

That's like saying it's racist for me to think that Chimpanzee's shouldn't be counted as humans because they share over 90% of our genetic makeup.

What makes a human a human is belonging to the human species. I didn't say we should oppress and exploit neaderthals, I just said they aren't human (because they aren't).

[bcbm]

Originally posted by Red Heretic+Sep 2 2006, 12:11 PM--> (Red Heretic @ Sep 2 2006, 12:11 PM)
black banner black [email protected] 1 2006, 11:05 PM

200 thousand.
Eh? You sure? Source?

Neanderthals don't count... [/b]

From these studies an approximate time of divergence from the common ancestor of all modern human populations can be calculated. This research has typically yielded dates around 200,000 years ago

http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/sap.htm

[rebel_heart]

guys have you read Gerhard Haderer's "the life of jesus" it's quite amusing...

[CubaSocialista]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 29 2006, 02:06 AM
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2986/flydino1nh9.gif
...Is this real?

Do people actually believe that?

What makes these..."people"...any different from fanatical J.R.R. Tolkien nuts?

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by black banner black gun+Sep 6 2006, 12:35 AM--> (black banner black gun @ Sep 6 2006, 12:35 AM)
Originally posted by Red [email protected] 2 2006, 12:11 PM

black banner black [email protected] 1 2006, 11:05 PM

200 thousand.
Eh? You sure? Source?

Neanderthals don't count...

From these studies an approximate time of divergence from the common ancestor of all modern human populations can be calculated. This research has typically yielded dates around 200,000 years ago

http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/sap.htm [/b]
Very interesting.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by CubaSocialista+Sep 7 2006, 11:26 PM--> (CubaSocialista @ Sep 7 2006, 11:26 PM)
Red [email protected] 29 2006, 02:06 AM
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2986/flydino1nh9.gif
...Is this real?

Do people actually believe that?

What makes these..."people"...any different from fanatical J.R.R. Tolkien nuts? [/b]
Lol, CubaSocialista, it was actually satire. Read some of the discussion in this thread. We've discussed what Christians actually believe, which is equally as funny.

[Honggweilo]

Originally posted by Red Heretic+Sep 5 2006, 11:00 PM--> (Red Heretic @ Sep 5 2006, 11:00 PM) They have completely different chromosones, cannot breed with humans, and have a VERY different genetic make-up.

That's like saying it's racist for me to think that Chimpanzee's shouldn't be counted as humans because they share over 90% of our genetic makeup.

What makes a human a human is belonging to the human species. I didn't say we should oppress and exploit neaderthals, I just said they aren't human (because they aren't). [/b]
Well, science may be proving you both wrong soon, some are calling to index humans, neandertahls and chimpanzee's in to one spiecies :lol:


wikipedia
It has even been proposed that troglodytes and paniscus belong with sapiens in the genus Homo, rather than in Pan.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 07:37 AM
Well, science may be proving you both wrong soon, some are calling to index humans, neandertahls and chimpanzee's in to one spiecies :lol:
Since when? That's totally unscientific. Humans are a part of a totally different species than chimpanzees. They cannot interbreed, and have different chromosomes! That sounds like just a bunch of fabricated wikipedia nonsense.

[Eleutherios]

A single genus I could see, but no respectable biologist is going to categorize three clearly non-interbreeding groups under the name of a single species.

[Rollo]

I'm going to build a time machine and go back in time to breed with cave ladies, then I'll write a book and call it the babble. You can all join my religion.

[BuyOurEverything]

Well, science may be proving you both wrong soon, some are calling to index humans, neandertahls and chimpanzee's in to one spiecies


QUOTE (wikipedia)
It has even been proposed that troglodytes and paniscus belong with sapiens in the genus Homo, rather than in Pan.

Species. Genus. Different. Get your science straight.