Fascists or not?

[Anti-Red]

This is the biggest excuse for idiots yet, the Christian Falangist Party...

http://www.falange.us/

They seem very fascist to me but deny it. Do you consider them to be fascists?

[inquisitive_socialist]

its fairly obvious that they are fascists. they have multiple headers on their ill designed site that link to other hate fueled, and filled websites. hopefully, i dont ever encounter any of them in my day to day life in NC.

[Ol' Dirty]

No. They are extreme fundamentalists or nationalists, most likely. They don't advocate much state centrality, so they most likely aren't fascists.

I still rather dislike them, though. <_<

[bcbm]

Let&#39;s see... we&#39;ve got Nazi imagery (iron cross, eagle, SS lightning bolt), bonehead imagery (laurel wreath), and white supremacist imagery (cross, sword). Several of their leaders appear to be skinheads, and they wear black paramilitary uniforms ala the SS. Their politics amount to militarism, defending the volk and other traditional fascist stuff, with a few minor variations (as is common with fascism everywhere).

A spade&#39;s a spade. Fascists.

[inquisitive_socialist]

plus in their stated goals they say they seek a unified nationalist movement. that seems fairly state-centric to me. regardless, i think they&#39;re nazi scum.

[Enragé]

well

they&#39;re phalangite, which is a form of fascism.
Traces back to the spanish civil war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falange

[RedCommieBear]

I think the Politics1 (http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm) website puts it best:


Originally posted by Politics1
CHRISTIAN FALANGIST PARTY OF AMERICA - Time for a history lesson. A "Falangist" is a follower of the authoritarian political views advocated by the late Spanish dictator Francisco Franco (to wit: largely a blend of 1930s fascist ideology, strong nationalism and conservative Catholic theology). Outside of Spain, Falanagists in Lebanan succeeded in electing Bashir Gemayel as President in 1982 -- but he was assassinated by Muslim terrorists before taking office. In addition to Christian Falangist PartyFranco and Gemayel, other deceased heroes of the movement include Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, Austrian fascist Engelbert Dollfuss, and Argentinian dictator Juan Peron. The CFPA -- closely affiliated with the Lebanese branch of the Falangist movement -- wants to bring these Falangist politics to the Americas. The CFPA, founded in 1985, "is dedicated to fighting the &#39;Forces of Darkness&#39; which seeks to destroy Western Christian Civilization." The CFPA site explicitly defines "Forces of Darkness" as being "Radical Islam, Communism/Socialism, the New World Order, the New Age movement, Third Position/Neo-Nazis, Free Masons, Abortionists, Euthanasianists, Radical Homosexuals and Pornographers." Numerous attacks against Islam can be found throughout the CFPA site (which also likely explain that CFPA&#39;s strong support of Israel). Yet, despite this lengthy list of foes that it wishes to destroy -- umm, "defend" themselves against (the wording they use) -- the CFPA helpfully notes it is "not a hate organization and does not condone acts of violence or hatred towards those of differing or opposing viewpoints and lifestyles, nor does it condone racism in any form." The CFPA desires to be a "direct action" political movement and promises to "bring excitement to the otherwise boring American political arena." The CFPA fielded it&#39;s first candidate in 2004: CFPA National Chairman Kurt Weber-Heller was a write-in candidate for President.

So, the question on whether or not they are fascists, I would say with 100% certainty that they are.


They don&#39;t advocate much state centrality, so they most likely aren&#39;t fascists.

But the meaning of fascism has changed over time, hasn&#39;t it? I mean, nowadays, the word is applied to an group or ideology which espouses extreme nationalism and authortarianism.

(Edit: Added response to the second quote)

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

If those aren&#39;t fascists, i don&#39;t know what are.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Where in NC are they?

[RedCommieBear]

Where in NC are they?

The Party&#39;s North Carolina affiliate&#39;s web forum: hxxp://pub32.bravenet.com/forum/2717315045

I guess that could be a starting point...

Here&#39;s the North Carolina main web page: hxxp://www.cfpa-nc.us/

And, I don&#39;t think the webmaster can spell..

[QUOTE=FAQ]
That&#39;s kind of a trick question and I&#39;ve never heard anyone ask a radical Moslem why he&#39;s so anti-Christian
[QUOTE]

Isn&#39;t it spelled "muslim"? Just pointing it out...

(Note: Replace "x"s in the weblink to "t"s. I think that is the way you break a link, right?)

[Phugebrins]

There are lots of ways to transcribe arabic: one give muslim, another moslem. Same with Hizbullah and Hezbollah.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 28 2006, 04:00 PM


Isn&#39;t it spelled "muslim"? Just pointing it out...


No thats just an alternative version, it may be more correct ( I can&#39;t remember).

[ZX3]

Not.

[RevSouth]

I see alot of conservatives spell it Moslem. Maybe they think it is offensive to spell it that way, and that is why they do it?

[bezdomni]

I have actually met a falangist before. It was the first time I had ever heard of this ideology so I asked him to define it. He said "take a half a step away from Fascism and you have falangism".

I would have socked him in the face, but the conditions were not....let&#39;s say...conducive.

[theraven]

I see alot of conservatives spell it Moslem. Maybe they think it is offensive to spell it that way, and that is why they do it?

moslem is an older spelling. actually if you look in old books they call the mohhamadian..



I would have socked him in the face, but the conditions were not....let&#39;s say...conducive.

aka your a wuss

[bezdomni]

aka your a wuss
Yes, that is exactly it. Thanks for clearing that up.


moslem is an older spelling. actually if you look in old books they call the mohhamadian..
This is true.

[rouchambeau]

No. Fascism is a social order born out of the inability of the bourgeoisie to maintain order during a time of economic crisis, the emergence of a genuine communist movement, and the state&#39;s intervention in all aspects of society to keep capitalism in place. These people are simply ultra-conservative nationalists.

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by Anti&#045;[email protected] 28 2006, 11:55 AM
This is the biggest excuse for idiots yet, the Christian Falangist Party...

http://www.falange.us/

They seem very fascist to me but deny it. Do you consider them to be fascists?
meh, historically fascists have de-emphasized religion in order to place peoples faith in the state instead.

but if religion is the state, then it can go either way. lets see...

no not really, the lack alot of the necessary facets. i was about to sya immediately no because of the first one adhering to the constitution, but then they contradicated the constitution a dozen times atleast in the rest of their schpiel.

[Zero]

Hey guys, I know you were thinking Darth Vader and all, but the Falanges&#39; are here to tell you&#33; The Forces Of Darkness (http://www.falange.us/darkness.htm).

How the fuck do they think anyone is going to take them seriously when they call their enemys "The Forces of Darkness"...

[bezdomni]

How the fuck do they think anyone is going to take them seriously when they call their enemys "The Forces of Darkness"...

Haha, I am imagining the "Forces of darkness" look like Mace Windu (Samuel L. Jackson) and not Emporer Palpatine (that creepy white dude).

[Zero]

rofl

Samuel L. Jackson: "THE ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT THE EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE&#33;&#33;"

Palpatine: "Ummm... are you baked?"

Samuel L. Jackson: "Enough is ENOUGH&#33; I HAVE HAD IT WITH THESE MOTHERF*CKING SNAKES ON THIS MOTHERF*CKING PLANE&#33; Everybody step in&#33; I&#39;m about to open some windows..."

[Tommy-K]

I signed the guestbook:

What is your name?
Tommy

How did you find this Web Site?
Through no fault of my own

Where are you from?
The left

Do you have any comments?
I&#39;m fed up of sick Christian fascists like you. You&#39;re just another spin off of the KKK and you and your neo-nazi morals and politics can **** off, and they will, when Socialism eventually prevails over twisted idiots like you.

[kael]

fascists is debatable, but definately sexist and racist. i went on their dark forces or something section and they included all the people they are against, including &#39;radical homosexuals&#39; and &#39;communists/socialists&#39;. i think they forgot to include anarchists or nihilists or any other ideologies that oppose theirs

[Sir_No_Sir]

Fascist Assholes I&#39;d say. The Forces of Darkness thing reminds me of the "On-Notice" board on the Colbert report

[Avtomatov]

the falange is the symbol that the spanish fascists used. Atleast i think it was the spanish ones. I know its a fascist symbol.

[EwokUtopia]

Its rather funny, they complain and ***** about "Islamofascism" constantly when they espouse Christofalangism, they accuse countries in the Mid-East of being theocracies, but at the same time want an extremist Christian government, and when you accuse them of being Nazi&#39;s, they just retort it with "Nope. We LOVE Jews...Not sure why, but we love&#39;m&#33;". They are mostly megachurch going scared fucking suburbanite FOX news addicts with issues of false visions of grandeur and superiority complex&#39;s.

Oh, and "Moslem" is just the archaic way of spelling it, its kind of like how Mr. Burns reffers to Siam, Prussia, and Peking as if they were current places.