What party do you belong to?

[stonerboi]

To all you forum members, what political party do you belong to?

Anyone here who has formed their own party?

I am a paid up member of of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) and I also support/subscribe to their papers:

*Revolutionary Communist Group
*Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain (Marxist-Leninist)
*Spartacus League (UK)

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Workers World Party.

[Sandanista]

Im a member of the Scottish Socialist Party and am in the Socialist Workers Platform within the SSP.

Im also on the Scottish Socialist Youth National Committee.

I have also subscribed to the Socialist Worker Newspaper.

hahahaha the spartacus league, ask them what year it is, they're bound to say 1936 or somethin

[liderDeFARC]

damn, im not in or involved with any party....i live in nyc. can anybody help, does anybody know one in NY?

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Quote: from liderDeFARC on 8:20 pm on July 24, 2003
damn, im not in or involved with any party....i live in nyc. can anybody help, does anybody know one in NY?I bet you could find a branch of almost any Marxist organization that you like in NYC.

CPUSA, WWP and SWP (US) all have branches there.

[liderDeFARC]

thanks. ;)

[elijahcraig]

I work with the International Socialist Organization, though have fell out of membership because I have no money.

[Morpheus]

"The great are only great because we are on our knees."
-Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

That is a quote from Max Stirner, not Proudhon.

[Comrade Marcel]

Quote: from elijahcraig on 3:54 am on July 25, 2003
I work with the International Socialist Organization, though have fell out of membership because I have no money.


That explains your unscientific analysis of the DPRK. The ISO (whom are called IS here) have the lamest positions - which include no support for any REAL revoltionaries - of any other organization that I have ever come accross. Everything is state capitalist and no support for any guerilla movements.

[Comrade Marcel]

Well, just to show I am no fucking armchair...

I am not a member of the Communist Party of Canada (http://www.communist-party.ca/), but I work with them on election campaigns and I am on the library committee. I may join the Party when I turn 30.

I am a main organizer for Young Left (http://gta.rebelyouth.ca) which is part of the Rebel Youth Network (http://rebelyouth.ca). RYN is a network of leftist revolutionary organizations in Canada.

I am on the Committee to Free the Cuba Five- Toronto (http://freethecubanfive.ca). Our mission is to Free the Five Heroic Cubans from political persecution & imprisonment.

I have joined the editorial board of Northstar Compass[/url which is a publication of the International Council of Friendship and Solidarity with Soviet People. Our fight is for the reinstatement of the Soviet Union.

I am not a member of the [url=http://www.ocap.ca]Ontario Coalition Against Poverty (http://www.northstarcompass.org), but then again I have not asked to join yet. But I do work for them and go to their demos.

I am not an "official" member of Anti-Racist Action - Toronto, but I do work with them and plan to work more since the rise of boneheads in Toronto. It's time to kick some fascist ass.

That's it for now.

[elijahcraig]

That is a quote from Max Stirner, not Proudhon.

Really? I got it from a "quotations site". Oh well, I'll change it.

That explains your unscientific analysis of the DPRK. The ISO (whom are called IS here) have the lamest positions - which include no support for any REAL revoltionaries - of any other organization that I have ever come accross. Everything is state capitalist and no support for any guerilla movements.

They supported Mao's China. They support Cuba and all anti-imperialist movements. Don't know much do you Mr. "scientific"? DPRK? Give me a fucking break.

[il Commy]

I was until recently in th "Working And Learning Youth" because they were the only leftish movment in my town, but I've decided that don't wannabe involved with any zionist group.

So now I'm Joining "Banki" (Israeli Communist Youth League). In a few days we're gonna start getting people to sign the petition against cuts in the children support.

[Kez]

Im a paying member of the Labour Party and the Socialist Appeal (www.marxist.com (http://www.marxist.com))

and also for the youth section which is www.newyouth.com (http://www.newyouth.com)

[il Commy]

"I bet you could find a branch of almost any Marxist organization that you like in NYC.

CPUSA, WWP and SWP (US) all have branches there."


Don't join the CPUSA !!
I'll quote from their base-article "Socialism USA":

We say that it may be possible in the U.S. to bring socialism through peaceful means. Perhaps through the ballot box. One thing is clear, there won't be socialism in the U.S. until the majority of the American people want it.

We believe that socialism USA will be built according to the traditions, history, culture and conditions of the United States. Thus, it will be different from any other socialist society in the world. It will be uniquely American.


They believe in both an election revolution and a single-country socialism ! They are both Reformists AND Stalinists !!

I personally suggest to stay away from this party...

[YKTMX]

I am currently a member of no organisations.

Although I might join the International Bolshevik Tendency, just for a laugh.

"Defend North Korea's Right To Nuclear Arms!"

Genuis.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

I do not belong to any parties. I may register to vote in Democratic Party primaries, to pick the least worst of the candidates. That is the best I could do electorally in a super-conservative state like Nebraska.

I have sat in on some meetings for the state's Green Party, and I may involve myself some more. The local SWP operates out of Omaha, but I may try to get more involved with them as well...

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Quote: from il Commy on 7:52 am on July 25, 2003
"I bet you could find a branch of almost any Marxist organization that you like in NYC.

CPUSA, WWP and SWP (US) all have branches there."


Don't join the CPUSA !!
I'll quote from their base-article "Socialism USA":

We say that it may be possible in the U.S. to bring socialism through peaceful means. Perhaps through the ballot box. One thing is clear, there won't be socialism in the U.S. until the majority of the American people want it.

We believe that socialism USA will be built according to the traditions, history, culture and conditions of the United States. Thus, it will be different from any other socialist society in the world. It will be uniquely American.


They believe in both an election revolution and a single-country socialism ! They are both Reformists AND Stalinists !!

I personally suggest to stay away from this party...
CPUSA is currently led by a guy that likes Gorbachev (so they are "reformists"), and they also support the Democratic Party. So I don't have anything to do with them. But they are the largest Marxist organization in the country though, no doubt about it.

[Comrade Marcel]

They believe in both an election revolution and a single-country socialism ! They are both Reformists AND Stalinists !!

I personally suggest to stay away from this party...


They are not "Stalinist" at all. They are Revisionist.

[truthaddict11]

i used to be a member of the SP-USA but have dropped my membership.

[Comrade Marcel]

Quote: from YouKnowTheyMurderedX on 2:36 pm on July 25, 2003
I am currently a member of no organisations.

Although I might join the International Bolshevik Tendency, just for a laugh.

"Defend North Korea's Right To Nuclear Arms!"

Genuis.


Personally, I think we should defend North Koreas right to nuclear arms.

As for IBT, they have a few members here as well. It is fun to watch them and the Spartacist League go at it.

[stonerboi]

Ohh dear! TavareeshKamo, why on earth are you a member of the Labour Party?

Are you even a Socialist?

The Labour Party has now given Britain the most reactionary, right-wing, oppresive, racist, militarist/imperialist and pro-US government we have ever had. Tony Blair is MORE right-wing than Thatcher and is doing things the Tories could only of dreamed of, such as privitising the NHS and education and abolishing trial by jury and incarcerating people without courts and trials.

[Sandanista]

Kamo has some contrived idea that if they can get more revolutionary socialists they can break the unions free and create splinter e.g the bolsheviks in russia.

Elijah, as far as i know the ISO, which is a member of the IST, which i am a member of due to my membership of the british SWP, doesnt support Cuba or Maoism, infact they argue that both these regimes are oppressive and hamper any way in which a revolution is possible.

hahahaha i didnt know that one about the IBT, hahaha "Defend North Koreas Right to Nuclear Arms" hahahaha u cant make that stuff up cant u

[MikeyBoy]

I don't really belong to any organization. I'd like to see all working class parties join together and make one large organization, but politics tend to factionalize easy.

[Umoja]

I'm not able to vote, so I guess I'm pretty arm chair. And I've just started my first job, so I can't really consider myself a full member of the working class yet.

[Comrade Raz]

Me and a few of my friends decided we would form a party of our own, called the Gusuptr Communist and Socialist Alliance. The main idea being that the whole of the left wing should unite to overthrow capitalism and that and quarrels between sections of the left should be sorted out after the revolution as quarells now are getting us nowhere.

We did some affiliating and had some banners made. At one time there where about thirty of us in the party but we got into trouble with the authoritys becuase one of my friends was a skilled computist would hack into right wing web sites and replace the page will our banner. We did a few times and got away with it a few times but when we were stopped most of the people left the party as they did not want any more trouble.

[Organic Revolution]

i am a part of the WIL

[YKTMX]

Quote: from Comrade Marcel on 9:37 pm on July 25, 2003

Quote: from YouKnowTheyMurderedX on 2:36 pm on July 25, 2003
I am currently a member of no organisations.

Although I might join the International Bolshevik Tendency, just for a laugh.

"Defend North Korea's Right To Nuclear Arms!"

Genuis.


Personally, I think we should defend North Koreas right to nuclear arms.



Ah, there's always one isn't there ;)

[elijahcraig]

Elijah, as far as i know the ISO, which is a member of the IST, which i am a member of due to my membership of the british SWP, doesnt support Cuba or Maoism, infact they argue that both these regimes are oppressive and hamper any way in which a revolution is possible.

They support(ed) them because they are anti-imperialist. They think they are not Marxist, but State Capitalist. I don't agree entirely. I don't think Cuba is state capitalist and I think Mao had a very socialist country, it just ended up wrong.

I like ISO, but I don't agree on every issue, I agree with their "What We Stand For" thing which is why I started working with them.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from MikeyBoy on 8:23 pm on July 26, 2003
I don't really belong to any organization. I'd like to see all working class parties join together and make one large organization, but politics tend to factionalize easy.



This is only true in Trotskyist organisations.

[highway star]

i am the leader of Socialist Turkey Party.It is illegal.And we r supporting Turkish Communist Party (TKP)

[stonerboi]

Why is the turkish socialist party illegal?

Is it engaged in armed stuggle?

I know a turkish mate of mine who is with the TKIB and another with the DHKC.

[Neo Marx]

im not currently a member of any parties-

anyone know of any marxist type parties active in texas or the southern US that are worth joining?

[SonofRage]

I am a member of the Socialist Party USA and the Green Party of the US. I'm am also a member of the Democratic Socialists of America but they are more like a political orgranization and are not an actual party (although I believe they are the largest Socialists organization in the United States).

[TXsocialist]

Socialist Party USA

[Nick Yves]

I'm not in any, but boy do reading all the names of these parties make me excited for the future, hopefully.

For those of you in socialist parties and not communist ones, may I ask why?

[il Commy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 11:01 AM
For those of you in socialist parties and not communist ones, may I ask why?
According to Marxism there's a stage between Capitalism and Communism, called Socialism. Socialism means the dictatorship of the proletarins, the democratic rule of workers' councils and the principle of "to each according to his work". Communism means the disappearance of classes in society, the disappearance of the state and the principle of "to each according to his needs". Communism can only be achieved after Socialism, which is a temporary stage of history. The passage from Socialism to Communism will take place after all countries of the world will go through a workers' revolution and all the remains of the old Capitalist society will be earased.

The world now (except few countries like Cuba) is Captalist. Therefore the goal of the revolutionaries is to form Socialism. So some Marxist parties call themselves Socialist and some Communist, but both have the same goals.

[Nick Yves]

Originally posted by il Commy+Aug 5 2003, 12:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (il Commy @ Aug 5 2003, 12:18 PM)
[email protected] 5 2003, 11:01 AM
For those of you in socialist parties and not communist ones, may I ask why?
According to Marxism there&#39;s a stage between Capitalism and Communism, called Socialism. Socialism means the dictatorship of the proletarins, the democratic rule of workers&#39; councils and the principle of "to each according to his work". Communism means the disappearance of classes in society, the disappearance of the state and the principle of "to each according to his needs". Communism can only be achieved after Socialism, which is a temporary stage of history. The passage from Socialism to Communism will take place after all countries of the world will go through a workers&#39; revolution and all the remains of the old Capitalist society will be earased.

The world now (except few countries like Cuba) is Captalist. Therefore the goal of the revolutionaries is to form Socialism. So some Marxist parties call themselves Socialist and some Communist, but both have the same goals. [/b]
Um...Yeah, I knew all of that, Thanks. But some people believe in Socialism in the form of workers care- not Socialism as in leading to communism. So I was asking, do they either not believe in planned economy (and moreso a guided one like in communism), or what. Because if they DO then they should just join a &#39;&#39;Communist&#39;&#39; party.

[Sandanista]

Marx did NOT say there was a transitional stage between capitalism and communism, it was trotsky who argued that in underdeveloped countries like russia and the third world there had to be a period of industrialisation before said region could become communist, however this had been refuted on several occassions by the SPBG.

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM IT MEANS THE SAME THING, GET ANY OTHER IDEAS OUT OF YOUR HEAD PLEASE.

[Saint-Just]

I do not belong to any party, but they are all very weak in Britain currently.

[il Commy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 02:03 PM
Marx did NOT say there was a transitional stage between capitalism and communism, it was trotsky who argued that in underdeveloped countries like russia and the third world there had to be a period of industrialisation before said region could become communist, however this had been refuted on several occassions by the SPBG.

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM IT MEANS THE SAME THING, GET ANY OTHER IDEAS OUT OF YOUR HEAD PLEASE.
It depends on the terminology you use. Lenin in "The State And The Revolution" used the terms "first stage of Communism" for the workers&#39; state stage and "upper stage of Communism" for the stage of demise of the state. Trotzky used the term Socialism for the first stage and Communism for the second. I don&#39;t recall what terminology Marx himself used, but it doesn&#39;t really matter. If I&#39;m not wrong Engles used the Socialism-Communism one.

The Socialism stage was born from the need to protect the revolution, so it won&#39;t be crushed by a counter-revolution like happend in the Paris Commune. Socialism means the formation of a state run dictatorly by democratic workers&#39; councils. The production and the state are in the hands of the workers and their representitive. Counter-revolutioanarism is a crime. A red army is found to protect the revolution from imperialism. The remains of the Burgeois are being watched very closely.

After the remains of Capitalism disappears, and after ALL the countries in the world are run by workers so there is no imperialism to face, then begins the passage to Communism. All the production is in the hands of the workers. There is no one to opress, since the Burgeois is gone, so the state is no more needed and it demises. "Each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".

We&#39;re not talking about the industrialization stage. That&#39;s Capitalism. Marx said that a nation must first be Capitalist for the industrialization and the creation of Proletariat class, otherwise it would just be "equality of poverty". Trotzky said that and underdeveloped country slaved by imperialism can not be freed by it&#39;s Burgeois, but by it&#39;s Proletariat. The proletarians of the underdeveloped countries have to options - either they would create a Burgeois on the back of their deformed workers&#39; state and turn it into a state-capitalism, or they would be depent on a more developed socialist state. The second option is ofcourse preferable.

[il Commy]

Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 5 2003, 02:28 PM
I do not belong to any party, but they are all very weak in Britain currently.
The question that must be asked - Why don&#39;t you join one and make it stronger? Who do you think will do it for you?

[praxis1966]

Socialist Party of Florida...