'Survivor' plans to divide teams along race

[Pawn Power]

TV show 'Survivor' plans to divide teams along racial lines

The first half of the series on the CBS network this autumn will feature a black team, an Asian team, a Hispanic team and a white team. They will compete in weekly challenges against one another, and the losers will have to vote off a member of their own team.


article (http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/24/business/tv25.php)

I never watched the show and probably never will but I have heard of it and I am sure most of you as well are familar with this famous relatity show.

Anything to get ratings!

[More Fire for the People]

It’s like in chess, when in doubt rook. In the media business, when in doubt controversy. By the way, where do the multi-ethnic people go?

[adenoid hynkel]

The best Survivor show would be Antifas Vs. Fascists. I would go to such a Survivor only in order to humiliate them publicly

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by adenoid [email protected] 26 2006, 11:38 AM
The best Survivor show would be Antifas Vs. Fascists. I would go to such a Survivor only in order to humiliate them publicly
Another ambiguous post from Hynkel.

So which is it Hynkel? Would you like to humiliate the fascists or the antifas?

[adenoid hynkel]

Originally posted by Vinny Rafarino+Aug 26 2006, 08:22 PM--> (Vinny Rafarino @ Aug 26 2006, 08:22 PM)
adenoid [email protected] 26 2006, 11:38 AM
The best Survivor show would be Antifas Vs. Fascists. I would go to such a Survivor only in order to humiliate them publicly
Another ambiguous post from Hynkel.

So which is it Hynkel? Would you like to humiliate the fascists or the antifas? [/b]
The fascists offcourse.

I do not think that I have sent any ambiguous posts. Can you show me any?

[Janus]

Who came up with this stupid idea? I think that this particular show may get cancelled unless the network guys completely ignore what may go on when the actual competition starts.

I wonder what our resident reality show fanatic has to say about this. :P

[Rhyknow]

Well ultimately it's doing what the government want it to do: Increase racial tension among the working class

[Whitten]

Originally posted by patton+Sep 1 2006, 03:53 PM--> (patton @ Sep 1 2006, 03:53 PM)
[email protected] 26 2006, 08:32 PM
Well ultimately it's doing what the government want it to do: Increase racial tension among the working class
Rhyknow the last thing U.S. government wants is to increase racial tension race riots are bad for business. [/b]
but good for increasing support for illegal foreign wars

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 03:32 PM
Well ultimately it's doing what the government want it to do: Increase racial tension among the working class
yeah thats what they're doing.

[theraven]

Originally posted by Whitten+Sep 1 2006, 06:13 PM--> (Whitten @ Sep 1 2006, 06:13 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 03:53 PM

[email protected] 26 2006, 08:32 PM
Well ultimately it's doing what the government want it to do: Increase racial tension among the working class
Rhyknow the last thing U.S. government wants is to increase racial tension race riots are bad for business.
but good for increasing support for illegal foreign wars [/b]
if it was surivoivr religion where peopel were on muslim, christn jewish and buddhit teams you'd have a point...but on race? no...

[Whitten]

How can you possably get that from a t.v. program hmm?

Are you that dense? People are stupid like that, and thats comming from a marxist.


if it was surivoivr religion where peopel were on muslim, christn jewish and buddhit teams you'd have a point...but on race? no...

Believe it or not, there are few white muslims, and there is a conflict commonly refered to as the "Arab-Israeli conflict"

[theraven]

Believe it or not, there are few white muslims, and there is a conflict commonly refered to as the "Arab-Israeli conflict"

whats your point?

[theraven]

ya oh well

[Iseult_]

CBS is run by racists.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Leslie Moonves doesn't care about black people

This reveals how deeply divided the United States is racially. That there exists a tremendous amount of tension and prejudice in the US between races. CBS is capitalising on this... and promoting it. Prime example of the power structure working to further marginalize black people and Latinos.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/24/business/tv25.php

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

That makes no sense. Race in itself is a social construct used to create hatred and prejudice.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I don't see where I've insinuated that the black actors on this program don't have the right to do what they're doing. Now let's focus on the subject at hand -- I stated a fact and you have no means on refuting it. Now go away.

[Tungsten]

patton

And your proof is?

His proof is that there are racists out there, therefore it must be capitalism's fault.
He's another one of these "racism/sexism/homophobia will disappear after we abolish the free market" people. He probably believes there is some conscious attempt by the government and big business to segregate people along racial lines in order to prevent some communist revolution taking place.

As with many utopian ideologies, the wild-eyed conspiracy theories run rampant.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Until quite recently it was the policy of both businesses and government to segregate blacks and whites. CBS is clearly promoting tension and prejudice between two groups, which in any other other normal society wouldn't exist.

[theraven]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 02:33 PM
Until quite recently it was the policy of both businesses and government to segregate blacks and whites. CBS is clearly promoting tension and prejudice between two groups, which in any other other normal society wouldn't exist.
1) its 4 ways, asian white latino and balkc

2) the tensiosn exists because the various groups look differnet and have histories together. theres nothing unusual about it

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by theraven+Sep 2 2006, 03:55 PM--> (theraven @ Sep 2 2006, 03:55 PM)
[email protected] 2 2006, 02:33 PM
Until quite recently it was the policy of both businesses and government to segregate blacks and whites. CBS is clearly promoting tension and prejudice between two groups, which in any other other normal society wouldn't exist.
1) its 4 ways, asian white latino and balkc [/b]
Oh that's fine then. You can carry on your racism - after all it is 4 way.


2) the tensiosn exists because the various groups look differnet and have histories together. theres nothing unusual about it Sorry, what the fuck? Are you trying to justify racism with 'oh they look different'? Are you that fucking stupid? If we kept all our historical conflicts going we wouldn't have advanced too far. You're a racist and a stupid little ****.

[theraven]

Oh that's fine then. You can carry on your racism - after all it is 4 way.

my point was this isn't a black on white competioni


Sorry, what the fuck? Are you trying to justify racism with 'oh they look different'? Are you that fucking stupid? If we kept all our historical conflicts going we wouldn't have advanced too far. You're a racist and a stupid little ****.

I was expaling why histroicaly the groups dont get a long. people have a long history of tribalism. it is easy to feel hatred torwards those who look differnt. add in historical conflicts betwene them and you have natural racial tension. if you don't understand it then your an idiot...

PS i am a male, thus it would be more approatie to cal me a "stupid lttiel prick"

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by theraven+Sep 2 2006, 10:55 AM--> (theraven @ Sep 2 2006, 10:55 AM)
[email protected] 2 2006, 02:33 PM
Until quite recently it was the policy of both businesses and government to segregate blacks and whites. CBS is clearly promoting tension and prejudice between two groups, which in any other other normal society wouldn't exist.
1) its 4 ways, asian white latino and balkc

2) the tensiosn exists because the various groups look differnet and have histories together. theres nothing unusual about it [/b]
What a surprise!
More ignorance from the raven!

How could I expect a single post from you without a solid disregard for truth?

Racism doesn't exist in the US merely because people look different. Believe it or not, blacks, whites, Asians, Latins, and other ethnic groups have been known to get along together on a large scale. In fact, examples abound in most any country. Perhaps not in the US. Perhaps you're all just too filled with hatred. I dunno. I try to avoid that shit country.

Or maybe it's because your notoriously nationalist and white government has been promoting racism since its creation.

[theraven]

Originally posted by RedZeppelin+Sep 4 2006, 02:06 AM--> (RedZeppelin @ Sep 4 2006, 02:06 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 10:55 AM

[email protected] 2 2006, 02:33 PM
Until quite recently it was the policy of both businesses and government to segregate blacks and whites. CBS is clearly promoting tension and prejudice between two groups, which in any other other normal society wouldn't exist.
1) its 4 ways, asian white latino and balkc

2) the tensiosn exists because the various groups look differnet and have histories together. theres nothing unusual about it
What a surprise!
More ignorance from the raven!

How could I expect a single post from you without a solid disregard for truth?

Racism doesn't exist in the US merely because people look different. Believe it or not, blacks, whites, Asians, Latins, and other ethnic groups have been known to get along together on a large scale. In fact, examples abound in most any country. Perhaps not in the US. Perhaps you're all just too filled with hatred. I dunno. I try to avoid that shit country.

Or maybe it's because your notoriously nationalist and white government has been promoting racism since its creation. [/b]
1) I am not racist

2) american ethnic groups get a long pretty well actually. race riots are rare, we have never had a racail civil war, and in generla blacks whites aisans and latinos mix together pretty civilly.

3) actualy nationalism makes racism less of a factor. if your main tribe is your nation rather then your race you're going to be less racsit

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

1) I didn't acuse of you of racism. Although now that you mention it...

2) There is absolutely no racial harmony in the United States. Blacks and Latinos are marginalized in education institutions, the job market, and in society at large.

3) ...until you create a race of imigrants (Hispanics). They're not a race. They're some combination of three or fewer ethnic groups. Making Spanish descendents into a seperate race from Anglo descendents is something basically only found in the US. And it's ridiculous.

[theraven]

1) I didn't acuse of you of racism. Although now that you mention it...

actually your right, i confuse you commies, that was jazz that accused me of racism



2) There is absolutely no racial harmony in the United States. Blacks and Latinos are marginalized in education institutions, the job market, and in society at large.


no, poor people are marginlize in education and thus in job marktes. blacks who do well in educaiton are succesufl in jobs and societys at large. the past 2 secretis of states have been black, the attorney general is latino.



3) ...until you create a race of imigrants (Hispanics). They're not a race. They're some combination of three or fewer ethnic groups. Making Spanish descendents into a seperate race from Anglo descendents is something basically only found in the US. And it's ridiculous.

except they are not purely spanish desenet dofr the msot part. msot are mixes of spanish black and Indains. we didnt creat a race, it created itself. for a long long long time hispanics were consdierd white. however when the multicutlrual ideas startse swirlgn around latinos/hispaics wanted thier own catergoy since they didnt consdier themselves anglo-white

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 10:55 PM


Oh that's fine then. You can carry on your racism - after all it is 4 way.

my point was this isn't a black on white competioni
I wasn't denying it wasn't.





Sorry, what the fuck? Are you trying to justify racism with 'oh they look different'? Are you that fucking stupid? If we kept all our historical conflicts going we wouldn't have advanced too far. You're a racist and a stupid little ****.

I was expaling why histroicaly the groups dont get a long. people have a long history of tribalism. it is easy to feel hatred torwards those who look differnt. add in historical conflicts betwene them and you have natural racial tension. if you don't understand it then your an idiot... Most people appear to have gone beyond their long history of tribalism, just as we have managed to transcend many of our other historical idiocies, so this is not a justification for racism.

PS i am a male, thus it would be more approatie to cal me a "stupid lttiel prick" Not really, '****' can be used as an insult for just about anybody because, much like 'twat', 'dickhead' and so on its use does not actually pertain to a biological statement.



actually your right, i confuse you commies, that was jazz that accused me of racism If you sound like a racist, type like you have an IQ of under 90 and make racialist statements than guess what - you're racist.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

no, poor people are marginlize in education and thus in job marktes. blacks who do well in educaiton are succesufl in jobs and societys at large. the past 2 secretis of states have been black, the attorney general is latino.

Now you're just lying.
Have you wondered why blacks and Latinos tend to comprise most of the poor classes?
This discussion is fucking lame. It's boiled down to whether or not blacks and Latinos are marginalized in the US. This is a fact. If your argument is going to consist of denying that, then kindly take that shit somewhere else. We like to stick to truths.

http://www.prisonersofthecensus.org/images/race_us_prison.jpg


except they are not purely spanish desenet dofr the msot part. msot are mixes of spanish black and Indains. we didnt creat a race, it created itself. for a long long long time hispanics were consdierd white. however when the multicutlrual ideas startse swirlgn around latinos/hispaics wanted thier own catergoy since they didnt consdier themselves anglo-white

Irrelevent.
Regardless of how this distinction came about, it proves that nationalism easily becomes racism when a nationalisty becomes synonimous with a race.

[theraven]

If you sound like a racist, type like you have an IQ of under 90 and make racialist statements than guess what - you're racist.

and what racialist statemnest have i made...



Now you're just lying.
Have you wondered why blacks and Latinos tend to comprise most of the poor classes?
This discussion is fucking lame. It's boiled down to whether or not blacks and Latinos are marginalized in the US. This is a fact. If your argument is going to consist of denying that, then kindly take that shit somewhere else. We like to stick to truths.

blacks an latinos have issues becuse they are the majorty of the poor popyulation. poor whites have just as many problems as they do.




Irrelevent.
Regardless of how this distinction came about, it proves that nationalism easily becomes racism when a nationalisty becomes synonimous with a race.

thats true. now go find a black marine and a white marine who serve dtogether and ask them if race matters

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 12:19 AM

If you sound like a racist, type like you have an IQ of under 90 and make racialist statements than guess what - you're racist.

and what racialist statemnest have i made...
Racialism is the claim that race exists, you have yet to deny the existence of race in any meaningful way.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

blacks an latinos have issues becuse they are the majorty of the poor popyulation. poor whites have just as many problems as they do.

Could it be that they're poor because the white power structure marginalizes them and promotes racism?


thats true. now go find a black marine and a white marine who serve dtogether and ask them if race matters

You rock at posting irrelevent garbage.

If there's racial harmony in the Marine Corps, then surely there's racial harmony in all of American society!

[theraven]

Originally posted by Jazzratt+Sep 5 2006, 01:00 AM--> (Jazzratt @ Sep 5 2006, 01:00 AM)
[email protected] 5 2006, 12:19 AM

If you sound like a racist, type like you have an IQ of under 90 and make racialist statements than guess what - you're racist.

and what racialist statemnest have i made...
Racialism is the claim that race exists, you have yet to deny the existence of race in any meaningful way. [/b]
race exists in the sense that people have differnt color skins...other then that..nope

[theraven]

Could it be that they're poor because the white power structure marginalizes them and promotes racism?


then poor whits are what?



You rock at posting irrelevent garbage.

If there's racial harmony in the Marine Corps, then surely there's racial harmony in all of American society!

the point was that nationalim trumps race in the US in terms of the govenrmnt..

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 09:10 PM
then poor whits are what?
Your logic is faulty.
Just because the US marginalizes poor white people, doesn't mean they don't also marginalize black people.


the point was that nationalim trumps race in the US in terms of the govenrmnt..

This makes very little sense.
But from what I understand you're saying that the US government promotes nationalism more than it does racism. Fair enough. My point is that in the case of Hispanics, nationalism and racism are the same. Thus, nationalism, which you claimed impeded racism, actually doesn't do that at all. Stick to the point next time.

[theraven]

Your logic is faulty.
Just because the US marginalizes poor white people, doesn't mean they don't also marginalize black people.


my point was that the marginlizoaitn is attributed not to race but to wealth.



This makes very little sense.
But from what I understand you're saying that the US government promotes nationalism more than it does racism. Fair enough. My point is that in the case of Hispanics, nationalism and racism are the same. Thus, nationalism, which you claimed impeded racism, actually doesn't do that at all. Stick to the point next time.

but thats not true. even in the case of hispanics nationslim trumps racism. the problem for some hispanics is their habit to enter the nation illegeally thus bringing down nationalist wrath.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 06:49 PM
my point was that the marginlizoaitn is attributed not to race but to wealth.
Why are so many blacks and Latinos so poor? It would be a lie to deny that the percentage of blacks and Latinos living in poverty is greater than that of whites.

and...

http://www.prisonersofthecensus.org/images/race_us_prison.jpg


but thats not true.

You're saying it isn't true that nationalism doesn't impede racism.
So... you're saying that nationalism against people of Hispanic origin impedes racism against Hispanics. Absurd!

[theraven]

You're saying it isn't true that nationalism doesn't impede racism.
So... you're saying that nationalism against people of Hispanic origin impedes racism against Hispanics. Absurd!


theres no natioanlsim against people of hispanic deesent. theres natioanlsim agaisnt illegeal immirgants of any descent, the most dominatn of which is hispanic.



Why are so many blacks and Latinos so poor? It would be a lie to deny that the percentage of blacks and Latinos living in poverty is greater than that of whites.


there have been hundreds of books written on this percise topic...

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

theres no natioanlsim against people of hispanic deesent. theres natioanlsim agaisnt illegeal immirgants of any descent, the most dominatn of which is hispanic.

And this nationalism counters racism against Hispanics?!


there have been hundreds of books written on this percise topic...

And which hypothesis do you subscribe to?

[Raj Radical]

CBS has crossed the line.

What about native americans, arabs, slavs, biracisl and multiracial?

I guess those "people" dont bring in the cash for the CBS fatcats. Sickening.

[theraven]

And this nationalism counters racism against Hispanics?!


against legal hispanics yes. normal hispanics who are american have no trouble.



And which hypothesis do you subscribe to?

a mix of culutrual issues among poorer blacks (which thomas sowell expands on in black rednecks) as well as failed govenrmetn welfare programs.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

against legal hispanics yes. normal hispanics who are american have no trouble.

It just so happens that illegal immigrants don't get sent to prison.

http://www.prisonersofthecensus.org/images/race_us_prison.jpg


a mix of culutrual issues among poorer blacks (which thomas sowell expands on in black rednecks) as well as failed govenrmetn welfare programs.

Why has this occured among blacks on such a great scale?

[theraven]

Originally posted by Raj [email protected] 6 2006, 01:45 AM
CBS has crossed the line.

What about native americans, arabs, slavs, biracisl and multiracial?

I guess those "people" dont bring in the cash for the CBS fatcats. Sickening.
i think 4 teams is the traditiona number so they did the four biggest american ethnicities...

[which doctor]

Originally posted by theraven+Sep 5 2006, 09:10 PM--> (theraven @ Sep 5 2006, 09:10 PM)
Raj [email protected] 6 2006, 01:45 AM
CBS has crossed the line.

What about native americans, arabs, slavs, biracisl and multiracial?

I guess those "people" dont bring in the cash for the CBS fatcats. Sickening.
i think 4 teams is the traditiona number so they did the four biggest american ethnicities... [/b]
2 teams is the traditional number.

[theraven]

It just so happens that illegal immigrants don't get sent to prison.

actually they do


v
Why has this occured among blacks on such a great scale?

obviusly there are many hypthosetis. the best one i can think of is that the people the blacks had the closest contact with was the poro whites, and blacks adopted the "cracker" cultre that was brough over fromth e scottish-english borderlands. these blacsk then moved to the inner cities where the culturee is pereserved to this day (while having long dissapered both in engalnds and the majority of the south)

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

actually they do

Illegal immigrants get deported, not tried.


obviusly there are many hypthosetis. the best one i can think of is that the people the blacks had the closest contact with was the poro whites, and blacks adopted the "cracker" cultre that was brough over fromth e scottish-english borderlands. these blacsk then moved to the inner cities where the culturee is pereserved to this day (while having long dissapered both in engalnds and the majority of the south)

Why did blacks have so much contact with poor whites?
Why haven't whites continued this "cracker culture"?

[theraven]

Illegal immigrants get deported, not tried.

unless they commit a crime here..



Why did blacks have so much contact with poor whites?

because they were both poor...


Why haven't whites continued this "cracker culture"?

a few have, but reforms in the south made the numbers much smllaer. blacks in the south are actually less "crackerish" then blacks in the cities

[Orion999]

Illegal immigrants get deported, not tried.

Do you really think we just deport murderers who are illeagal immigrants? Ya if they get caught pickpocketin we throw there ass back to Mexico.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 03:31 AM

Illegal immigrants get deported, not tried.

Do you really think we just deport murderers who are illeagal immigrants? Ya if they get caught pickpocketin we throw there ass back to Mexico.
If this is the case then RZ's statistics are fine because the proportion of incarcerated "illegal" hispanic people compared to that of the "legal" hispanic people incarcerated is not enough to skew the statistics in any meaningful way.

[theraven]

Originally posted by Jazzratt+Sep 6 2006, 11:15 AM--> (Jazzratt @ Sep 6 2006, 11:15 AM)
[email protected] 6 2006, 03:31 AM

Illegal immigrants get deported, not tried.

Do you really think we just deport murderers who are illeagal immigrants? Ya if they get caught pickpocketin we throw there ass back to Mexico.
If this is the case then RZ's statistics are fine because the proportion of incarcerated "illegal" hispanic people compared to that of the "legal" hispanic people incarcerated is not enough to skew the statistics in any meaningful way. [/b]
except thats nto the case. any crime which reqires jail time invovles the ilegal first doing time in a US prison then they get deported.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

unless they commit a crime here..

Regardless... if Hispanics aren't marginalized by the state, why is such a disproportionate number of them in prison?


because they were both poor...

Why were so many blacks poor?


a few have, but reforms in the south made the numbers much smllaer. blacks in the south are actually less "crackerish" then blacks in the cities

So you're saying that rural white culture exists and is the cause of poverty among urban black populations? What reforms have reached rural blacks which didn't reach urban blacks? Why didn't "cracker culture" maintain itself in urban white populations which didn't receive reforms which affected rural whites and blacks?

[theraven]

Regardless... if Hispanics aren't marginalized by the state, why is such a disproportionate number of them in prison?

because they commit crimes?




Why were so many blacks poor?

culture



So you're saying that rural white culture exists and is the cause of poverty among urban black populations? What reforms have reached rural blacks which didn't reach urban blacks? Why didn't "cracker culture" maintain itself in urban white populations which didn't receive reforms which affected rural whites and blacks?

I can't specify the reforms,b ecause i don't rmemeber. but read black rednecsk by thomas sowell.

the urban blacks got it when they were living in the rural south, they moved to the cities and thne the reform happened in the rural areas.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

because they commit crimes?

Why does this occur among Hispanics on such a greatern relative scale than it does among whites?


culture

How is their culture responsible for them having nothing, particularly after generations of working their asses off for white people?


the urban blacks got it when they were living in the rural south, they moved to the cities and thne the reform happened in the rural areas.

So why are urban whites currently so much wealthier than urban blacks? Both missed out on the reforms. And note that circa the turn of the century, there were lots of poor urban whites.

[theraven]

Why does this occur among Hispanics on such a greatern relative scale than it does among whites?


two reasons

1) the illegeal aspect of crossing our border encourges criminal elements to cross in rather large numbers. this is probably encourged under the table by the mexican govenrmetn to get rid of undesriables. thus we have a disporportaiotn number of crimianls coming

2) poor people cmmit more crimes. immirgants from third world countires are generally poor.



How is their culture responsible for them having nothing, particularly after generations of working their asses off for white people?

working your ass off stupidly wont' get you anywhere. the problem is the"cracker culture" i desicbed was not one that encouegd intellgeent invesmet or glorifed trades/education. think about how black kids who study hard are told they are "acting white"



So why are urban whites currently so much wealthier than urban blacks? Both missed out on the reforms. And note that circa the turn of the century, there were lots of poor urban whites.

1) poor urban whites moved out via military service, succesfuly working their way up from lowly immiragtn to the middle/upper class. thats nto tos ay there aren't still poor whites-there most definetly is. they have the same problem as the blacks. having gone to an inner city schol i can attest to this.

2) Racism was a factor too in the first half of the century. howeve it is undeabeli that we have made enourmus strides since then.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

1) the illegeal aspect of crossing our border encourges criminal elements to cross in rather large numbers. this is probably encourged under the table by the mexican govenrmetn to get rid of undesriables. thus we have a disporportaiotn number of crimianls coming

So how does this explain the tremendously disproportionate number of blacks in prison? Were criminals more succeptible to being captured into slavery?


poor people cmmit more crimes.

Are you denying that American-Hispanics find themselves marginalized in modern American society?


working your ass off stupidly wont' get you anywhere.

Rural jobs are stupid? The people who providing society with raw materials for everything don't deserve to "get anywhere"? Sounds like something's wrong with the system not the farmer.
Furthermore, I was refering to slaves.


the problem is the"cracker culture" i desicbed was not one that encouegd intellgeent invesmet or glorifed trades/education.

You didn't describe anything. You just said it's something which urban blacks inherited from rural whites many years ago. Talk about vagueness.

Have you ever considered that perhaps a society which encarcerates relatively more of it's own native citizens of dark skin than border-hopping Mex'cans is perhaps guilty for failing to promote education and professional advancement in these ghettoized communities?


think about how black kids who study hard are told they are "acting white"

This doesn't occur on a consistent basis.
Regardless, it proves nothing.


poor urban whites moved out via military service, succesfuly working their way up from lowly immiragtn to the middle/upper class.

This is fucking bullshit.
Military service hardly takes people out of poverty. Not to mention that the millions of descendents of impoverished European immigrants didn't enlist in the military.


thats nto tos ay there aren't still poor whites-there most definetly is. they have the same problem as the blacks. having gone to an inner city schol i can attest to this.

If poverty among whites is comparable to poverty among blacks, there is absolutely no excuse for the absurd disparity between incarcerated black and white populations.


Racism was a factor too in the first half of the century. howeve it is undeabeli that we have made enourmus strides since then.

So you admit that racism is a cause for poverty among blacks.
Good.
Now we're making progress.

[theraven]

So how does this explain the tremendously disproportionate number of blacks in prison? Were criminals more succeptible to being captured into slavery?


no but poor people are are more likely to commit mroe cirmes..



Are you denying that American-Hispanics find themselves marginalized in modern American society?

what exactl you mean by this i am not sure



Rural jobs are stupid? The people who providing society with raw materials for everything don't deserve to "get anywhere"? Sounds like something's wrong with the system not the farmer.
Furthermore, I was refering to slaves.


what are you talking about? working stupidly has ntohing to do with what kind of work you do.

working stupid means not saving money, nto getting an education, not tryign to start your own buisness and so on.

no person a live can remmeber when slavery was legal in the US. in order to be the son or daugther of a former slave you would have to be very old. slavery is not the issue here.



You didn't describe anything. You just said it's something which urban blacks inherited from rural whites many years ago. Talk about vagueness.

because sadly for me I am not the genius mr sowell is

heres the essay i believe

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/fe...ml?id=110006608 (http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006608)


Have you ever considered that perhaps a society which encarcerates relatively more of it's own native citizens of dark skin than border-hopping Mex'cans is perhaps guilty for failing to promote education and professional advancement in these ghettoized communities?


I am sure there is a better way to fix the ghetto then the govenrmets policy. the problem is no one agrees on what it is. and one aspect is undeiably the cultrure in the ghetto which emphaiss fast money over smart investmen.



This doesn't occur on a consistent basis.


Regardless, it proves nothing.

it proves education is discouraged



This is fucking bullshit.
Military service hardly takes people out of poverty. Not to mention that the millions of descendents of impoverished European immigrants didn't enlist in the military.


1) the mitliary serivice did take peole out of the party because o fth GI bill

2) many did yes. in world war II esp.



If poverty among whites is comparable to poverty among blacks, there is absolutely no excuse for the absurd disparity between incarcerated black and white populations.

no, less whites are poor then blacks. however among the poor it is equal incareceraon i believe.



So you admit that racism is a cause for poverty among blacks.
Good.
Now we're making progress.

50 years ago yes

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

no but poor people are are more likely to commit mroe cirmes..

And they're poor because they're discriminated against.


what exactl you mean by this i am not sure

I'm being as direct as possible here. If you don't understand what I'm saying, grab a dictionary.
You, on the other hand, are the most incoherent poster I've ever comunicated with on the internet. I'm not exagerating or trying to humiliate you, but take a while to read over your posts in the future to make sure that what you write makes sense.


what are you talking about? working stupidly has ntohing to do with what kind of work you do.

working stupid means not saving money, nto getting an education, not tryign to start your own buisness and so on.

This isn't "working stupidly", it's called "living within working-class means."

This is a very convenient excuse for advocates of capitalism. Our system is just fine. Look at how well off I am.

Those millions of impoverished coloreds? Well, they work stupidly. That's their problem.


no person a live can remmeber when slavery was legal in the US. in order to be the son or daugther of a former slave you would have to be very old. slavery is not the issue here.

Slavery is the only consistency which can explain why the descendents of slaves, and particularly the descendents of slaves, are currently living in poverty.


I am sure there is a better way to fix the ghetto then the govenrmets policy. the problem is no one agrees on what it is. and one aspect is undeiably the cultrure in the ghetto which emphaiss fast money over smart investmen.

"Smart investment" is akin to a big lottery. Billions lose, a few win. Most middle-class people got where they are from working their whole lives under labor laws which guarantee millions of workers a middle-class lifestyle for work which used to get people nowhere back when we weren't allowed to unionize. The only "smart investment" is overthrowing capitalism.


it proves education is discouraged

We agree on this. However, I blame the white power structure for disencouraging education in black communities. You blame impoverished and oppressed workers.


1) the mitliary serivice did take peole out of the party because o fth GI bill

I thought you were against social programs...?


no, less whites are poor then blacks. however among the poor it is equal incareceraon i believe.

Prove it.


50 years ago yes

Well I'm glad racism doesn't exist anymore. Oh wait...

[theraven]

And they're poor because they're discriminated against.

historicaly discirmantion played some part yes




I'm being as direct as possible here. If you don't understand what I'm saying, grab a dictionary.
You, on the other hand, are the most incoherent poster I've ever comunicated with on the internet. I'm not exagerating or trying to humiliate you, but take a while to read over your posts in the future to make sure that what you write makes sense.

my point was how do you feel hispanics/blacks are marginilized in the US?



This isn't "working stupidly", it's called "living within working-class means."

This is a very convenient excuse for advocates of capitalism. Our system is just fine. Look at how well off I am.

Those millions of impoverished coloreds? Well, they work stupidly. That's their problem.


1) my father and grandfather came from "working class means" they worked smartly, my grandfather took over the glass shop he worked for (starting off sweeping). he died when my dad was 6 so that messed things up for my dad, but he is now doing fine in real estate. plenty of other people ahve done this too. being "working class" is not a final thing.

2) there are plenty of poor whites..



Slavery is the only consistency which can explain why the descendents of slaves, and particularly the descendents of slaves, are currently living in poverty.

if only blacks (and almost all blacks) where poor you might have a point. since this is not the case...



"Smart investment" is akin to a big lottery. Billions lose, a few win. Most middle-class people got where they are from working their whole lives under labor laws which guarantee millions of workers a middle-class lifestyle for work which used to get people nowhere back when we weren't allowed to unionize. The only "smart investment" is overthrowing capitalism.


one thing that did indeed create the middle class was a highly restricted labor market. for about 30 years the USA was the only truely industrlized nation as europe rebuilt. since the 70s the US's economy has declined due to the loss of our virtual monoploy.



We agree on this. However, I blame the white power structure for disencouraging education in black communities. You blame impoverished and oppressed workers.

and how do they do this?



I thought you were against social programs...?

I am against welfare, however i recognzie the need soemtiesm for social programs



Well I'm glad racism doesn't exist anymore. Oh wait...

racism does exist, but no wher near to the scale or effect it used to

did you read that that thomas sowell article?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

historicaly discirmantion played some part yes

When one generation suffers from poverty, in all likelyhood, the following one will too.


my point was how do you feel hispanics/blacks are marginilized in the US?

Millions are living in impoverished ghettos and nobody in Washington gives a fuck. What happened when millions of white poeple were out of work and living in slums? It was a GREAT DEPRESSION. A bunch of social programs were enacted... now that this is the case with black folk and Latinos, Oh no! We can't become a welfare state. They need to stop working stupidly. It's nobody's responsibility but their own to find jobs and get rich just like the rest of us did.

The problem is that this has been going on for 150 years. Why would they solve the problem now? They're not. Because George W. Bush doesn't care about black people.


1) my father and grandfather came from "working class means" they worked smartly, my grandfather took over the glass shop he worked for (starting off sweeping). he died when my dad was 6 so that messed things up for my dad, but he is now doing fine in real estate. plenty of other people ahve done this too. being "working class" is not a final thing.

Ok.


2) there are plenty of poor whites..

Unfortunately, yes.


if only blacks (and almost all blacks) where poor you might have a point. since this is not the case...

The number of impoversihed blacks is a lot bigger than that of whites. It's tremendously disproportionate. Either racism in modern society or slavery is the explanation.
Otherwise there would be a relatively equal percentage of blacks and whites in the ghetto.


and how do they do this?

By blatantly disregarding and disenfranchising the poor.


did you read that that thomas sowell article?

I'll do it later maybe.

[theraven]

When one generation suffers from poverty, in all likelyhood, the following one will too.


then shouldn't all those poor whites who arrived here in the eary 1900s still be poor? how about those hispanics and blacks who are now middle or upper class?




Millions are living in impoverished ghettos and nobody in Washington gives a fuck. What happened when millions of white poeple were out of work and living in slums? It was a GREAT DEPRESSION. A bunch of social programs were enacted... now that this is the case with black folk and Latinos, Oh no! We can't become a welfare state. They need to stop working stupidly. It's nobody's responsibility but their own to find jobs and get rich just like the rest of us did.

The problem is that this has been going on for 150 years. Why would they solve the problem now? They're not. Because George W. Bush doesn't care about black people.

millions of people have lived in ghettos since the industrial revolution. the problem now is we don't have factory jobs anymore for them. welfar eand stuff are still there for these people, indeed most of the great depresion era progams are still in place. they are the problem not the solution. the solution IMO are one of two

1) an internal solution-inner city peoples cultures are changed by their own leaders (think bill cosby) and suddenly their heros are people like thomas sowell (an unparrelled academic) george washington carver (one of the most inventive people in history) ,clarens thomas (supreme court justice) and collin powell (secretary of state, head of the joint chiefs of staff) instead of jayz, ludicous and shaq.

2) (a solution i dont seoriusly advocate)-radical government progams which enforce displin in school (think a military school setting).

I'd prefer option one. You have to understand thers only so much the gov't can do




The number of impoversihed blacks is a lot bigger than that of whites. It's tremendously disproportionate. Either racism in modern society or slavery is the explanation.
Otherwise there would be a relatively equal percentage of blacks and whites in the ghetto.


1) the ghetto is not the only place there are poor people

2) it could be a culturla issue...one that poor whites and balcks share for a large part



By blatantly disregarding and disenfranchising the poor.

your going to have to be more specific




I'll do it later maybe.

well its not long

[Terminator]

What about native americans, arabs, slavs, biracisl and multiracial?

I guess those "people" dont bring in the cash for the CBS fatcats. Sickening.

No need to fear guys, Arabs and slavs will make an appearence in the European edition lol ;)

And Native Americans will make an appearence in Survivor Mexico, to be broadcasted next fall. I think Rednecks will also make an appearence in that show. That should be interesting.

[Huelguista]

I for one think that this is just another ploy to get people back into the survivor loop, cause lets face it...its the same thing everytime, different island. I am somewhat intrigued to see maybe one or two of the episodes just out of curiosity.

You know at one point they will go back to just one group of people, unless they found 16 people to live at each area <_<