anerican history X

[ahab]

has anyone seen this movie? is it anygood? one of my friends at school today recommended that I watch it, knowing that i'm antifa. I always thought it gave a positive perspective on neo nazi's thats why I never wanted to watch it, but apperantly its not, anyway if someone could tell me about it, without ruining it, that would be great

[Comrade Marcel]

Do a search on here, it's been talked about and basically it's an individualist bourgeois prospective of "better one'self for yourself" rather than an anti-fascist prospective. It's an artistically beautiful film, and fits well in to capitalism though.

[Zero]

It's far from a positive perspective on Neo-Nazis, as they have the usual lightbulb moment you see in every movie.

[Ander]

It's a pretty cool movie, although my friend stole it from me.

[Taiga]

It's a good movie, I love it very much.


I always thought it gave a positive perspective on neo nazi's thats why I never wanted to watch it, but apperantly its not, anyway if someone could tell me about it, without ruining it, that would be great

Why don't you want to have your own opinion?

[ahab]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 06:51 AM
It's a good movie, I love it very much.


I always thought it gave a positive perspective on neo nazi's thats why I never wanted to watch it, but apperantly its not, anyway if someone could tell me about it, without ruining it, that would be great

Why don't you want to have your own opinion?
i do have my own opinion, I thought it was pro-nazi, so I never watched it. Not until yesterday when my friend suggested i watch it I have even considered it or even remebered it. Now from the posts and reviews I have read I am going to watch it lol

[rouchambeau]

It seems a little pro-nazi at first, but the ending is pretty awesome.

[angelfacebich]

I must admit I liked this movie. I heard there was supposed to be an alternate ending where you'd see Ed Norton's character shaving his head in front of a mirror, meaning he's going back to his old ways. I'm glad they didnt go with that one. The best part of the movie is.........well I won't tell you what it is. lol. :P
Check it out. This movie does not have a clear message, it doesnt offer solutions and it's up to you how you interpret it.

[liberationjunky]

Its a very good film with well paced plot. It shows perspectives of gang members (the skinheads) and also shows the perpectives of peace and equality. Its a pretty anti-discrimation based film but shows both sides to the story. I personally own it and would recomend it.

[Taiga]

Originally posted by fysh117+Aug 27 2006, 02:16 AM--> (fysh117 @ Aug 27 2006, 02:16 AM)
[email protected] 26 2006, 06:51 AM
It's a good movie, I love it very much.


I always thought it gave a positive perspective on neo nazi's thats why I never wanted to watch it, but apperantly its not, anyway if someone could tell me about it, without ruining it, that would be great

Why don't you want to have your own opinion?
i do have my own opinion, I thought it was pro-nazi, so I never watched it. Not until yesterday when my friend suggested i watch it I have even considered it or even remebered it. Now from the posts and reviews I have read I am going to watch it lol [/b]
I meant that it's impossible to have your own opinion without watching the movie by yourself.

It reminds me of an old Russian joke.
A man (1) says to another (2):
(1): Why do people find these Beatles so exciting? I don't understand. They sing out of tune, forget the lyrics...
(2): Really? Where have you heard them?
(1): I haven't. Rabinovich hummed their song to me.

[Comrade J]

I need to see American History X! I downloaded it but it was subbed in German! (Which I don't speak)

EDIT - I meant dubbed, not subbed. German subtitles wouldn't bother me.

[Taiga]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 27 2006, 10:32 AM
I need to see American History X! I downloaded it but it was subbed in German! (Which I don't speak)
There is a lot of torrents in English.
Try this one:
http://www.mininova.org/tor/21898

[Comrade J]

Originally posted by Taiga+Aug 27 2006, 07:45 AM--> (Taiga @ Aug 27 2006, 07:45 AM)
Comrade [email protected] 27 2006, 10:32 AM
I need to see American History X! I downloaded it but it was subbed in German! (Which I don't speak)
There is a lot of torrents in English.
Try this one:
http://www.mininova.org/tor/21898 [/b]
Hey thanks! :D I'll set it off now whilst I go to bed

[Leo]

There was a thread about this film:

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=50530

[Comrade J]

Hey Taiga, thanks again for the link, I came home from town and it had finished! So I can watch that tonight or tomorrow :D

[Taiga]

You're welcome )
I hope you will enjoy it like I did in my time.

[ahab]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 03:12 PM
You're welcome )
I hope you will enjoy it like I did in my time.
hey thanx for the link too

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 26 2006, 02:46 AM
Do a search on here, it's been talked about and basically it's an individualist bourgeois prospective of "better one'self for yourself" rather than an anti-fascist prospective. It's an artistically beautiful film, and fits well in to capitalism though.
Eh?

It is clearly anti-nazi (not anti-fascist, because Nazis are not the same as fascists), it makes zero references to capitaist society The primary feature of the film is a Nazi coming to understand that racist beliefs and nazi philosophy is fundermentally based on bullshit and his attempt to steer his brother away from such a path. Where you get the notion that it apromotes the attitude described as: "better one'self for yourself", I do not know.

[Comrade J]

I've just watched this movie. Wow. If you haven't see it, go see it.
I thought it was fantastic.

[Zero]

The curb stomping part was probably the most horrific thing to do to someone ever.

Besides the whole electric-groin thing.

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

I watched this yesterday

bloody great movie, but yeah... does have the occasional lightbulb moment as someone mentioned

[Free Left]

I saw it about a year ago, but did they actually say that they (the skinheads) say that they were Nazis?
They were racist and they had Nazi symbols around the place but were they true Nazis?

[YSR]

I think it's a pretty fair assumption, though I don't recall if they actually say it.

[Cult of Reason]

What is a lightbulb moment?

[kael]

i've been advised by higher intelligence to put CONTAINS SPOILERS. so just to let you know, it does contain spoilers :)


i've just downloaded it and watched it. i thought i was amazing. at first the racism kind of haunted me, and i wasn't sure if i liked it, but when he's in chino and becomes a changed man, it's really touching. the end bit where danny dies is just breathtakingly emotional. overall it's one of the best films about racism and how people can change and realise their faults.

[Comrade J]

^You might wanna edit that post or put *CONTAINS SPOILERS!* for those comrades who haven't seen it ;)

[Zero]

Originally posted by "Haraldur"
What is a lightbulb moment?
When someone realises "oh shit, I'm like totally fucked up. I should change."

[ahab]

fuck I finally saw that movie, errr it pisses me off, I dont even feel bad for the fuckin skin kid who dies at the end, thats what he gets! Edward norton does good in it I thought, there was some brutal shit in there too

[afrikaNOW]

What is people's fascination with this film? This is as almost talked about as motorcycle diaries on this forum

[kaaos_af]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 07:42 AM
The curb stomping part was probably the most horrific thing to do to someone ever.

Yeah, that made me sick too.

[godisdead]

the movies ok, i thought Believer about a jewish nazi was much more interesting.





:ph34r:

[Taiga]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 03:37 AM
the movies ok, i thought Believer about a jewish nazi was much more interesting.

Yes, I agree. The Believer (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0247199/) is very interesting. Though it's more psychological.

[Mesijs]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 26 2006, 01:46 AM
Do a search on here, it's been talked about and basically it's an individualist bourgeois prospective of "better one'self for yourself" rather than an anti-fascist prospective. It's an artistically beautiful film, and fits well in to capitalism though.
Eh, honestly, how could you ever come to such a conclusion. Please try to explain.

By the way, it's a great movie. Very good script, dialog, acting, emotion.